Will the new banking rules RUIN your DVC?

but I simply cannot resist responding to this post...I'm almost blind I'm laughing so hard! Veranda rights?!!!???
One of our regulars here has the exact verbiage of our Veranda Rights in her signature. I don't want to misquote it, because it's one of my favorite signatures, but hopefully they'll respond so you can see it. Trust me, they are rights worth fighting for!
 
I view this change as a loss of flexibility in the DVC program. It will primarily affect those who must cancel a reservation - especially on short notice - but does simplify the banking policy on the other hand ("dumbing down" of the deadlines).

In our personal situation we will not be affected since we have multiple Use Years and have the luxury of being able to choose which contract to use when making reservations, but the examples given where early fall Use Years can affect summer travel plans are well noted.
I agree, although I think Caskbill has hit on a more important aspect of this change -- the impact on waitlists. That will impact far more people than the folks who have schoolkids.

Bill saw something most of us missed. I know...what else is new? :rolleyes1
 
In my case, I haven't been a DVC member long enough for a change in banking rules to effect me too much. That being said, I think that in my case in helps that I have an August UY. My trip will probably be in the September through May time frame. So making a banking decision in April (if I counted right :rotfl: ) will probably not be an impact.

Besides the wait list effect mentioned by CaskBill, I think that you will also see more people borrowing into the next use year when adding or modifying a trip towards the end of their UY.
 
I agree, although I think Caskbill has hit on a more important aspect of this change -- the impact on waitlists. That will impact far more people than the folks who have schoolkids.

Bill saw something most of us missed. I know...what else is new? :rolleyes1

And don't forget its direct impact on poor Caskbill personally, the revision of the DVC Planner programs. I tell you this man's work never ends. Nose to the grindstone, he's overworked and underpaid (OK not paid at all).
 
Two things concern me over this also. :sad2: My wife and I work in public education also. Our use year is Sept. We can only go during Christmas break or summer break. We don't have the same Spring Break since we are in two different school corps. :headache: It doesn't concern me too much if we plan on going during Christmas but it does if we decide to go during the summer months.

I guess the solution for us will be we will go to a year-round school calendar. It is coming sooner or later here in our two corps. More and more school districts are going to it. Which won't be all that bad. We then may be able to have the same Spring Break :banana: and we then could also maybe start going during less crowded times of the year.:dance3:

Another thing....OP are concerned with the new policy if they should have to cancel a ressie after the banking deadline. They keep saying they would lose the points. This can't be correct...they would go into holding....right?:confused3 Or would the holding policy be effected by this new banking deadline?:confused3 :confused3 :confused3
 
Another thing....OP are concerned with the new policy if they should have to cancel a ressie after the banking deadline. They keep saying they would lose the points. This can't be correct...they would go into holding....right?:confused3
No. Points go into holding if you cancel inside 31 days of arrival -- regardless of where you are in your UY.

Here's the situation I'm talking about:

We make a ressie for mid-July. Our UY is October, so that means that our new absolute banking deadline is the end of May. On June 5th, we find out we can't go for whatever reason. Too bad -- we don't have "holding account" problems, but the points used for that ressie have just become "use or lose."

In the old system, we would have had until the end of June to bank 50%, or until the end of July to bank 25% of the total points in our account. But with the new system, we would not have that option -- the banking deadline would have passed. We would have to use the points by September 30 or they would expire.

This scenario is a not-uncommon one for people with school aged children.

In his post above, however, Caskbill outlined a situation which could affect anyone...no matter what their UY. That mess is going to be very difficult for many families -- especially those who can't book at 11 months and rely on waitlisting. They are going to really have to stay awake, or they're going to get in trouble with the new system.
 
No. Points go into holding if you cancel inside 31 days of arrival -- regardless of where you are in your UY.

Here's the situation I'm talking about:

We make a ressie for mid-July. Our UY is October, so that means that our new absolute banking deadline is the end of May. On June 5th, we find out we can't go for whatever reason. Too bad -- we don't have "holding account" problems, but the points used for that ressie have just become "use or lose."

In the old system, we would have had until the end of June to bank 50%, or until the end of July to bank 25% of the total points in our account. But with the new system, we would not have that option -- the banking deadline would have passed. We would have to use the points by September 30 or they would expire.

This scenario is a not-uncommon one for people with school aged children.

In his post above, however, Caskbill outlined a situation which could affect anyone...no matter what their UY. That mess is going to be very difficult for many families -- especially those who can't book at 11 months and rely on waitlisting. They are going to really have to stay awake, or they're going to get in trouble with the new system.
It's true it could affect anyone, but it could affect them in a good or a bad way. In your situation say you were using most of your yearly allotment in the exact scenario you describe where 50% would not cover it. You have only a 1-2 week window where you're past the 100% banking window but outside the holding account rules. If you move your trip cancellation up a week to the end of May you could bank all points where you might only be able to bank half otherwise under the current (old) rules. IMO it's always been relatively important which use year you had, you've seen me post that a number of times. This change will make the use year slightly more important for some. But there certainly will be a subset that have a use year just before they normally travel and they will be at the most risk of losing points but that's true under both the new and old rules.
 
I view this change as a loss of flexibility in the DVC program. It will primarily affect those who must cancel a reservation - especially on short notice - but does simplify the banking policy on the other hand ("dumbing down" of the deadlines).

In our personal situation we will not be affected since we have multiple Use Years and have the luxury of being able to choose which contract to use when making reservations, but the examples given where early fall Use Years can affect summer travel plans are well noted.
I see it as a change in flexibility, not a loss overall. But I guess it depends on exactly how it affects the individual how they will look at it. I doubt it will affect us either even though I will be down to only one home resort and use year within the next 6-8 months. As with most things, those that plan better will do better. But still life can happen to any of us as is the nature of timeshares in general.
 
It's true it could affect anyone, but it could affect them in a good or a bad way. In your situation say you were using most of your yearly allotment in the exact scenario you describe where 50% would not cover it. You have only a 1-2 week window where you're past the 100% banking window but outside the holding account rules. If you move your trip cancellation up a week to the end of May you could bank all points where you might only be able to bank half otherwise under the current (old) rules. IMO it's always been relatively important which use year you had, you've seen me post that a number of times. This change will make the use year slightly more important for some. But there certainly will be a subset that have a use year just before they normally travel and they will be at the most risk of losing points but that's true under both the new and old rules.
Right. I think you may have missed my point. I didn't say it would adversely affect everyone. I said it could adversely affect anyone, not just the smaller group of folks with school-aged kids.

Certainly some people will find it to their advantage.
 
Right. I think you may have missed my point. I didn't say it would adversely affect everyone. I said it could adversely affect anyone, not just the smaller group of folks with school-aged kids.

Certainly some people will find it to their advantage.
Actually I didn't miss it but rather that it seemed you were shading it to say that it would likely be a negative for far more people that stood to gain. And to be honest, I see it the other way. I suspect the total number of points that will be able to be banked under the new system but not under the old system will be somewhat more than those that are orphaned because of the new system. If you're the one losing out, you might not care about the others, if you gain from the system you'll likely be very happy. One thing that becomes somewhat more of an issue is if you have two separate accounts. You could potentially transfer points THEN bank them though I suspect this option will change in a couple of years.
 
Maybe this is discussed in another area, but has there been an explanation as to the why behind this change?
 
Honesty, this flexibilty in banking windows was one of the reasons we went with the DVC time share. I did not know it could be so easily changed as I thought it was a fundamental part of the program :confused3

I am sure that I will learn to work around it.... I don't like to make ressies in the latter part of our UY anyway, but it isn't always possible. I have enjoyed the luxuary of being able to bank our last 25% of our points just prior to the 60 day expiration point on a couple of occassions and I was really glad to have that option.

It seems like DVC is making lots of policy changes these days... I wonder what will be next?
 
I don't think ruination is in the cards but, as with the previous system, those who are only able to vacation within certain time frames will probably feel the effects of the new banking policy more than others. It's not a big deal in my personal situation but I guess we'll just have to see how things play out for most members over the next year or so.
 
If I'm understanding this correctly, I think this could be an issue for us. We have Dec. UY and generally go in Sept. or Oct. I has been very nice to have the flexibility up to the end of Sept. to add to our reservations before our trip. I guess in the future if we need to do that, we'll need to borrow from the next year while having current year points banked. It just makes it a bit more confusing. (We generally end up banking anywhere from a few points to 70ish points) and rarely borrow points.
 
I think we are fine with this change. I always bank by the 100% deadline because I was worried that I would mess up due to the combined % amounts of our 2 subcontracts (that I always think of as seperate accounts but DVC doesn't). So this extends the date we use.

We also have a Oct UY but would never think of going in the summer (too hot there - too nice here!). So that gives a 31 day cancelation (or adjustment) on a trip from Oct - June with 100% banking.
 
If I'm understanding this correctly, I think this could be an issue for us. We have Dec. UY and generally go in Sept. or Oct. I has been very nice to have the flexibility up to the end of Sept. to add to our reservations before our trip. I guess in the future if we need to do that, we'll need to borrow from the next year while having current year points banked. It just makes it a bit more confusing. (We generally end up banking anywhere from a few points to 70ish points) and rarely borrow points.
This could help you or hurt you depending on exactly when you go and how large a chunk of that years points you normally use. For example, if you had 200 points, generally used most of them and generally traveled the first week of Sept, this would help you assuming a Dec use year. The reason is that you'd still be in the 100% banking window if you had to cancel relatively late and therefore would be able to bank more points than under the old system, as many as twice the number. OTOH, if you normally use half your yearly allotment or less and go late Sept or Oct, this could hurt you if, but only if, you had to cancel 1 August or after but prior to the holding account restriction.

I think this is positive for anyone who uses the majority (significantly more than half) of their annual points for a trip later in their use year. And is positive for anyone who normally travels a full 3 months or more prior to the start of their use year. It could be negative for those that travel less than 3 months prior to the start of the use year and will be neg for anyone who travels with that timing but normally is using 50% or less of their annual points allotment. Again, I see this as a win more than lose for the membership as a whole but realize if you're on the wrong end that won't help much.
 
Question... so could you bank your points and then book your holiday when you are sure it will happen, and then borrow your points from the next year? It would mean that you don't plan that far ahead, but say you don't actually book a holiday(for those who work) until one-two months before your stay, would you still be covered?

Next year (2008) I'm planning to holiday in the summer or fall (within the 4 months before the end of my UY). Would it be safer to borrow banked points then when I'm sure I can go?

And doesn't this policy encourage people to rent out their distressed points?

Seems like DVC goes around in circles!
 
We are relatively new members, June 2005, and have banked at the 6-month point so far. So I'd have to say that the new rules will most likely not have an affect on our plans. Of course, as soon as I say this, something will come up which requires the flexibility of the old plan. But as of now, it looks to be an improvement for us personally. We do not have any children in grade school at this stage in our lives, so that probably works in our favor.
 

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