Rant: Kids Menu= Horrible Diet

Although I do agree with the posters that you can't force a kid to eat anything... I do think you can absolutely steer a child in the right direction.

We do eat really healthy for the most part in our home... very clean probably 85 to 90% of the time. I am only a quasi-freak about it (depends on where you are on the spectrum as to whether you think I'm a complete freak!!!), but I am the type of healthy eater, cook, that I often have friends and family ask me nutrition, recipe advice - for what that's worth! :rotfl:

I do believe in moderation, and if we are at a friend's house and hotdogs are on the menu, for example, we have one, in fact we've even been known to grill them at our own home! LOL.

That said, you can totally control the type of food your kiddos are eating the majority of the time even if you can't control exactly what they eat.

For example, my DD will come and say she's hungry for a snack - she'll get two or three choices from me... for example, you can have an apple, some grapes or celery with PB and raisins (which she loves). I do pick stuff she likes, but I base it on the food group she needs at that time.

If she whines she wants ice cream (which isn't it amazing we can have a 'fight' about it and sorry, it's just NOT in the house at the moment! LOL) or even cheese and she just recently had cheese and no fruit or veggies, in recent hours... well, Love, you're hungry, do you want celery, apples or grapes? "Cheese is off the menu right now," I'll say. If begging or whining ensues she is asked to leave the kitchen and return when she decides between apples, grapes and celery. End story.

Although you can't force children to eat, you can choose what is there to offer. And they learn that they get choices, you talk to them about healthy food, strong bones, faster bike riding or whatever they love and how it is affected. They learn. And you respect when they truly DON'T like something. (Minus the preschool/toddler stage of like it, don't like it, like it, don't like it! LOL. Then you put in on the plate and say a little prayer.)

You can make sure everything at your table is healthy and you feel comfortable with them grazing on everything there. I don't think food should be a big deal, it is fuel for your body, therefore it doesn't have to be a battlefield. We are matter-of-fact about it. Make sure there are choices she likes and nicely ask her to try new things, more than once.

If you condition their tastebuds by the majority of what they get, it helps. Today, she was at a friend's house for a party and got a red popsicle when they were handed out, the other food SHE chose was all healthy and she's gotten to the point where she will claim she likes boxed mac and cheese, but she eats two bites.

Obviously, if you have kiddos who have medical food issues it is a whole other ball of wax.

What I find alarming is how often I see parents of LEETLE kids go from leftover cheesies for breakfast, followed by a popsicle, Koolaid for lunch and a few nuggets (although some nuggets like Jane's ARE not that bad), then move onto cookies and pop, a cheesestring, half an iced cappuccino ('cause caffiene isn't THAT bad)... don't eat at supper except for maybe some white bread because they've gorged on CRAP all day, and then are given Fruit loops before bed because "HEY!" they have WHOLE GRAINS now!!!! (A whole 1g of fibre DOES NOT equal a serving of whole grains - that my friends is called GREAT MARKETING! LOL!) NO WATER, NO WHOLE GRAINS, NO substantial, not a nugget, PROTEIN and VEGGIES OR FRUIT - well what are they????!!!! And they have NO CLUE why thier kid doesn't nap, or go to sleep at night and why they are so overactive. Now this is a minority to see it this bad, at least out of the families we know, but we see it waaaay too often.

Feeding kids is hard work... it is a challenge and it goes from meal to meal, sometimes you figure they exist on lint and air, and other times you wonder how your 18 month old possibly downed a bagel and a half in less than 20 mins!!! But you can't give up.

There is ALWAYS something going on these days and it can become too easy to realize your kiddo has only had the option of pizza, hotdogs and pancakes for a weekend. It is a trap - and I find myself bringing fruits and veggies, hummus, dried edamame, chicken for the grill and big green salads to parties and outings all the time... funny thing is the kids will DEVOUR a fruit tray in minutes.

I find parents often working to get a child to eat cake at a party, who clearly doesn't want it. Hello? And the same parents will automatically say "He won't like spinach." Without him even trying it because he doesn't like peas. Oookay.

Make sure he eats that cake though - 'cause kids are SUPPOSED to like cake!!!! I'm the evil mom who doesn't mention they're serving cake to my kiddo - and you know what - she's none the wiser!! If she asks for it, she gets a tiny slice, usually a quarter of what is being served and then ends up leaving half of it on her plate. YAY!!!!!!!!

...anyways - my passion gets away from me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hippie: I apologize as I am again on a food tangent! (Warning: Do not open food threads and not expect to see my blah, blah, blah - feel free to gloss over or completely skip it!)

It would be FABULOUS if there were more variety at places, especially if you are in the park for over 10 days like we choose to be. One or two days of 'vacation food' are fine, but man, I don't know about you, but by day three of CS and I would be feeling gross and bloated.

We really think the DxDP is good value for us, And TS is our way to go for variety. I kinda wish EVERYONE in a room didn't need to get the plan... Honestly I think if DH and I could just order, we'd have enough for three. But, what do you do, we still think that 'as is' it is a better choice for our family.

That said, a healthy breakfast is on the menu in our room most days, (to allow for some 2 TS credit meals) we've tried to pick places with variety, we WILL eat at least some yummy 'crap', and I'm positive she will eat off my plate at times. It sucks when we don't always get our way, but it's life and we'll plan for work around it so it works for our family.

I do believe more and more people are eating healthier and are slowly getting away from the processed boxed foods so many of us grew up on the more we learn. I think menus will change to reflect this over time the more often the items are purchased. And in the meantime, I continue to think you CAN get a restaurant to tweak many items in how they are prepared to fit what you think is your version of food happiness - just be nice and tip accordingly!!!!! :thumbsup2
 
Duckiedee are you a Tosca Reno fan?

My oldest is 23 years old, and we have spent all that time eating about 80% whole food, organic. I love all of the options now, vs. 20 years ago. There are so many more options. My kids all love a varied diet, although not all of them like the same things.

That said, I think that people forget that Disney is just a theme park trying to make a quick and easy buck! People are lining up for their cheap food.
 
Indiana - you guessed right! Might have seen it on another post. LOL. Dr. Gabe Mirkin has similar and also excellent info... I've been following a lot of his advice since about 1999. That said, I was a huge proponent of much of what she has to say before I ever heard of her - I really like her opinion and many of her tips have given me direction on implementing it. I find her very inspirational.

And I agree, it is getting easier and easier to find choices. Woot!!! It makes me SO excited when I can get stuff in my grocery store that I couldn't get except in a health food store prior.

I agree, a lot of people DO choose cheap and easy food over quaility nutrition (although it doesn't HAVE to be super expensive) and it is easier for restaurants to prepare similar foods (i.e. fryer) which also cuts down on prep costs etc. I am very glad there are at lease SOME options. And if she has to eat carrots and grapes a whole lot - well, it's better than eating french fries a whole lot KWIM?

Ever tried Kale chips??? Very yum... google that if you like beet chips!
 
This thread is crazy because it's still going. Lol.

I don’t want to go back defending why I’d love Disney to offer healthier choices. Sometimes people can get hostile or take it personal when someone else wants to eat healthy or try and live a better lifestyle. I post ‘the menus are crappy I wish they offered more variety and healthier options’ and in response have been called a ‘whiner and complainer’, and various other snarky shenanigans. My DD can read labels – it’s not a lifestyle choice but a medical necessity. She has occasionally been mocked and teased by well meaning adults because of it. I don’t care what other people eat - I'm not going to judge you for it. I just wish socially it was more acceptable to want to eat better. As good nutrition shouldn't really be that big of a deal.
 
Lol, loved beet chips. Will google Kale. I just got the Family cookbook. I need some variety. I get bored cooking the same stuff over and over! I was having a deja vu feeling!

While I agree that more people are eating better, I think there is a bigger gulf between those who do and those who, imo, don't. Too many people think that a sandwich on white bread, a bag of chips, a cookie, and a drink made of sugar, color and water is a healthy lunch, and an example of "moderation." It feels like an uphill battle sometimes. Funny thing is that if the OP had left out Disney, and the know it all condemnation of all those parents, I'd probably be agreeing with her.

Eta: I would not agree with trying to control the child, either
 
Really? And when she'd rather sit there than eat it, to show you who is in control, what will you do? When she'd rather go straight to bed that eat it, will you give it to her the next morning? Then what?

I have one that was an extremely picky preschooler who will now eat anything slow enough for him to catch; one preschooler who has never known the meaning of picky; and one entering 4th grade who is the pickiest kids you can imagine. Honestly, 100% pure grape juice is the only fruit she consumes.

A very wise physician friend told me when my first child was born that there are two things parents CAN NOT control----what a child eats, and their elimination. Parents will not win in table or toilet battles. You can control their choices----so yes, give them healthy choices. Which leads back to the choices at a theme park.

If you don't like the choices on the children's menu at WDW, there are several things to do:

1) write to Disney about your concerns
2) don't give Disney your business
3) bring your own food for your child
4) buy an adult meal to share with her

It really isn't rocket science.

Her father and I!! For you to even say that...I won't even go there. The plate returns every meal time until she TRIES it. It's not a hard concept and I'm sure after a few times she will get the idea.
 
You are being naive and unrealistic. Your daughter has the control, not you. Toddlers start rejecting food around 1 years old, oftentimes. Google around...you'll find lots of doctors talking about it. It's natural.

And I clearly recall a conversation with a mom about her 4 year old who was a good eater, then juts started dropping foods.

Your "good old days" weren't really so good. Lots of eating disorders came this kind of force. I clearly remember being forced to eat some foods, and thinking I'd never do it to any child of mine.

And I don't.

My mother was wrong to force me, but that was the "in" thing to do those days: Show 'em who's boss! Guess what? I'm the boss of what I eat. I STILL don't like the liver she was trying to make me gag down. But I do like all sorts of foods now, and there's a small list of things I won't eat.

Yup, but I'm sure because your mother stood her ground you grew up to respect her wishes a bit more than today's kids who now have this idea that they are in control. Are you kidding me! That will be the day I let my child run my house. This kids are in control idea is why things have spiraled so far out of control for many parents. Eating disorders stem from social issues for the most part not because you parents made you eat your vegetables.
 
Yup, but I'm sure because your mother stood her ground you grew up to respect her wishes a bit more than today's kids who now have this idea that they are in control. Are you kidding me! That will be the day I let my child run my house. This kids are in control idea is why things have spiraled so far out of control for many parents. Eating disorders stem from social issues for the most part not because you parents made you eat your vegetables.
Allowing your child to decide which foods (out of healthy choices) and how much food to put into her own body is not letting her run the house. It's respecting her as a fellow human being.

As Horton says, "A person's a person no matter how small."
 
Her father and I!! For you to even say that...I won't even go there. The plate returns every meal time until she TRIES it. It's not a hard concept and I'm sure after a few times she will get the idea.

Actually, this is a VERY hard concept for toddlers. Being forced to take even one bite of something they don't want to goes against their very nature. They are learning to assert themselves and are developing their independence.


Allowing your child to decide which foods (out of healthy choices) and how much food to put into her own body is not letting her run the house. It's respecting her as a fellow human being.

As Horton says, "A person's a person no matter how small."

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Her father and I!! For you to even say that...I won't even go there. The plate returns every meal time until she TRIES it. It's not a hard concept and I'm sure after a few times she will get the idea.

I may be misunderstanding your post. But it sounds like you and she will sit there like the OK corral until she eats whatever it is. This is the way I was raised. Food like meatloaf with lots of onions, peppers and oatmeal in it, to cut costs. I sat there for 3 hours at dinner. Then, before microwaves, I had it in front of me, cold, for breakfast. Then, because we all walked home from school for lunch, there it was again.

Really, my mom was just a product of her time. I think many parents were this way. But I freaking hated onions and peppers. Nothing was going to make me gag that down. So I just waited her out for days if necessary. She always gave me water or milk, so it's not like I was starving.

Unfortunately, because this is how I was raised, I started doing this to our older dd. My dh was raised with the "try one bite" philosophy, convinced me I was wrong.
 
Yup, but I'm sure because your mother stood her ground you grew up to respect her wishes a bit more than today's kids who now have this idea that they are in control. Are you kidding me! That will be the day I let my child run my house. This kids are in control idea is why things have spiraled so far out of control for many parents. Eating disorders stem from social issues for the most part not because you parents made you eat your vegetables.

Uh, no. That didn't make me respect my mother more. I respected her for many things, but certainly not that.

Bullying children doesn't earn their respect. It does teach them to fear you, however.

A kid doesn't eat her vegetables? Big deal. It really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. She'll learn to like them later, when it's HER choice.
 
Her father and I!! For you to even say that...I won't even go there. The plate returns every meal time until she TRIES it. It's not a hard concept and I'm sure after a few times she will get the idea.

Yup, but I'm sure because your mother stood her ground you grew up to respect her wishes a bit more than today's kids who now have this idea that they are in control. Are you kidding me! That will be the day I let my child run my house. This kids are in control idea is why things have spiraled so far out of control for many parents. Eating disorders stem from social issues for the most part not because you parents made you eat your vegetables.

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Not that you are going to listen to anyone else, but please please understand that the kids who wind up in my office or referred to me come from 2 sorts of homes. Those that have no boundaries, the type you are concerned about. And the type that are totally authoritarian. Children should learn to respect their parents, not fear them.

There are adults on this thread saying that what you are saying (which is hopefully not what you are doing in the extreme) affected their lives forever. Their parents thought that what they were doing was best. All parents do, or wouldn't do it.

You may have been raised this way, and think that you have turned out fine. But how fine is it to look down on others? That isn't nice. I hope that you consider what people have shared. They did it out of concern for your daughter, and really of you. And you obviously have no clue where eating disorders come from. Most come from overparenting, and the need to control something in their lives. Food becomes that thing to control.

What might have been an interesting discussion of our culture, of helping kids to eat a healthy and varied diet became a thread dissing the parenting choices of others. Complaining about theme park food is weird, I guess. It is a vacation and theme park. If you don't like the choices eat elsewhere. We rent points and stay dvc because we don't care for eating out every meal. Problem solved.

duckie, I am so buying Kale at the farmer's market today! I have my mandolin back, and hope to have better beet chips. Mine have been iffy when I cut them myself.
 
Kale Chips... here is the recipe I use:

http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/baked-kale-chips/Detail.aspx

Make sure the raw kale does not overlap or it will steam instead of crisp... I don't like it soggy.

As you add the oil, kind of massage each leaf a little to get it coated (It doesn't take as long as that sounds)

DON'T overcook or it will be bitter. Store in a glass container or paperbag... Plastic will make it go soggy.

Great way to get the veggies in! :)
 
Meloncholywings...

I get that from some people sometimes too... that is is weird to choose to eat nutritiously. Kinda makes me giggle. I'm not sure what is weird about real food in its original state and when some people started to think food needed to come from a package or cereal needed to have marshmellows to be 'good.'

It is frustrating when you can find 50 varieties of potato chips, 35 kinds of sugar cereal, 7 types of boxed Mac and Cheese (Kraft Dinner to us Canucks) but can't get Greek yogurt but at one store and in one size, brand and flavour and raw, unprocessed sugar is twice the price as processed stuff. (Don't get me started!!! :scared1: )

Unfortunately that does put us in the minority and that makes us weird.... even though I REALLY don't believe it is.

I have a niece who puts pop in her 14 month old's bottle mixed with water because 'it tastes better.' When I've babysat I give him straight water or milk and he drinks it without complaint or any cajoling.

As soon as she gets her hands on the bottle she insists on pouring half of the water out and adding something, sugary juice for example (not even talking the real stuff.) Apparently though, I am the weird one - because what I believe is different, I don't believe water is horrible or boring. So I must be cracked! LOL!

Oh well, I can take the flaming and the weird looks. I used to eat boxed and processed and I always wondered HOW people could choose to eat healthy and actually DO it. What do you mean you don't like sweets???!!!! LOL.

But I get it now. And I'm glad I do! :) It's a totally new set of skills, but they were totally worth learning!!!
 
Huge potential to blow up in my face? Why because I'm not letting my child control my house? She is the child and I'm the parent. She is subject to OUR will. I'm not going to force feed her and OBVIOUS if there is something she truely doesn't like i'm not going to force her to eat it. It's about setting a level of control as a parent and like previous poster said, picking your battles. I also only have one child so it will be a bit "easier" for me to control the situation because I don't have to deal with 2 or 3 other kids and what they may enjoy too.
You seem to have taken this personally. If you read some post I'm not the only one that feels like sometimes people give up.

Um. Wow. and :lmao::rotfl2::lmao::rotfl2::lmao::rotfl2::lmao:

You just contradicted yourself BTW. You cannot "subject your child to YOUR will" AND pick your battles. As a parent you will have to choose to do one or the other.

It is not our job as parents to control our children. It is our job as parents to steer our children to do good and the right thing, by leading by example. We are here to help kids grow into a competent, able-bodied, independent, good person.

It's quite ovbious that you have yet to encounter your child's first meltdown or tantrum. And I am sorry for you if it happens to be in a public place. Because it will happen. That will be HER will she is forcing on YOU.

You said also that you want to control your child, but will know when to "let up". How will you know when to start doing this??? You will NOT know how to do this unless you have chosen to give up a little control from the beginning, which it doesn't sound like you are willing to do.

Parenting is very very personal, as this thread has shown. But please head the advice of the seasoned parents on this board when it comes to "controlling" your child. Yes, children seek and want boundaries. Testing those boundaries are ever present, for sure. Your child will need to be able to have SOME control for herself if you want to have any hope of raising a child that is not some codependent person who will either:
- always have to have a boyfriend because she won't know how to be by herself, and probably a controlling one at that,
- will constantly give into peer pressure because she doesn't know how to say no, or has always been forced into something even when she said no,
- or the extreme opposite where she will lie, sneak out, and be so defiant that you will have no idea what will happen next, or what you can do about it because you've always thought "you were in control".

I have seen every.single.one. of these instances in my friends and family members growing up. I have a 4 year old now. She's VERY independent already. I have a difficult time knowing where I need to draw the line in regards to "controlling" her. I know she needs her boundaries, but at the same time, I don't want to squash her independence. Because as trying as she might be now (and a VERY picky eater I might add - which we have a rule that she has to try one bite of any new food), that independence will take her far in her adult life.

Just some *food* for thought.
 
I have a niece who puts pop in her 14 month old's bottle mixed with water because 'it tastes better.' When I've babysat I give him straight water or milk and he drinks it without complaint or any cajoling.
Ok, that's just gross - pop mixed with water? UGH. We don't even give DD juice yet, which most people think is weird.

I used to eat boxed and processed and I always wondered HOW people could choose to eat healthy and actually DO it. What do you mean you don't like sweets???!!!! LOL.
Wait, you can't eat healthy & still like sweets!? If I bake them from scratch & use raw ingredients they're healthy cookies, right? :rotfl:

That recipe for kale chips sounds yummy, I'll have to try it.
 
Ok, that's just gross - pop mixed with water? UGH. We don't even give DD juice yet, which most people think is weird.


Wait, you can't eat healthy & still like sweets!? If I bake them from scratch & use raw ingredients they're healthy cookies, right? :rotfl:

That recipe for kale chips sounds yummy, I'll have to try it.

lol, there are always cookies in our cookie jar. If your kids aren't white sugar/flour addicts you can do that, and they just grab a cookie when they want. And the batch lasts for days. In a house of 7, that is pretty good, lol.

Really, even in the cookies the 80% good works for us. My kids grab maybe a cookie or two a day, and that is the treat in the house. Or we make a cobbler. Or homemade ice cream or sorbet. But with a couple of them, it is a week between "treats" because they don't crave them. They are just as likely to grab an apple, or handful of cherries (really good this year!). They are all within a healthy weight, in a house where dh and I both have to stay on top of our eating to avoid weight gain. Genetics are not in their favor.
 

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