Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

Anyone know if Elisabethturner is reputable? She is not listed on the page with all the ebayers names.

Thanks in advance

Did you read her feedback?:scared1:
no.
she is not....
so..in order to read..to read feedback...
go to feedback..
hover your mouse over all negative feedbacks...
and click on the red number...
only the negatives will pop up...
and..that way you can judge
not all neg. feedback is warranted...
but..in her case..
it is pretty bad...
you should also...
click on all the neutrals...and..read them.
another good rule of thumb is...
stay away from any seller..
who has feedback under 99 %..
I normally will not buy from anyone with under 99.5...
[unless their feedback is bad..for stupid reasons]
 
I also check feedback as a buyer. Some green listed pin sellers buy from red listed sellers. Look at retiredreadingspecialist feedback. I have purchased pins from her in the past. After seeing this, I will go else where to buy my pins.
 
I also check feedback as a buyer. Some green listed pin sellers buy from red listed sellers. Look at retiredreadingspecialist feedback. I have purchased pins from her in the past. After seeing this, I will go else where to buy my pins.

yes..that is correct.
But...a smart seller...
opens a separate buying account.
I have one account for selling..and..2 for buying.
I do this..
to prevent unscrupulous sellers from targeting me...
I have had it happen...
and..I sometimes buy on ebay..
and..then resell it.
So...your advice is good..
but...you are allowed as many ebay accounts as you want..
as long as they are all in good standing.
 
Anyone know if Elisabethturner is reputable? She is not listed on the page with all the ebayers names.

Thanks in advance

I purchased from this seller and received scrappers. I would avoid this seller. Especially if they have negative FB for selling scrappers (which they did not when I purchased, but it was quite a while ago that I purchased, those pins are now in our "scrapper collection" LOL)

I also check feedback as a buyer. Some green listed pin sellers buy from red listed sellers. Look at retiredreadingspecialist feedback. I have purchased pins from her in the past. After seeing this, I will go else where to buy my pins.

Good point, altho some of us do buy from scrapper sellers for different reasons. I buy scrappers so I can use them in decorating, for example in the hall bathroom I've got a Nemo cross stitch, I purchased Nemo pins to decorate around the cross stitch, I wanted scrappers so I bought from someone I knew sold them, I wanted scrappers because I did not want good pins to get ruined from being in the bathroom, I was worried good pins would rust. I also have made magnets or done other "crafty" projects, I've also purchased pins suspecting they were scrappers but I liked the pin so I bought it anyway. Also, in doing my part to "out" the scrapper sellers on eBay I've purchased from sellers just so I could post on this thread. I do this all under 1 eBay name and I sell pins under that same name, so checking your seller's feedback is a good idea but it's not always fool proof either. :) I would hope that if you reviewed my FB you would still buy from me, even tho I have purchased from scrapper sellers, just for the reasons I've stated above.

yes..that is correct.
But...a smart seller...
opens a separate buying account.
I have one account for selling..and..2 for buying.
I do this..
to prevent unscrupulous sellers from targeting me...
I have had it happen...
and..I sometimes buy on ebay..
and..then resell it.
So...your advice is good..
but...you are allowed as many ebay accounts as you want..
as long as they are all in good standing.

I don't agree with having more then 1 account, I feel that if someone is an honest buyer or seller there is no need to have more than 1 account. Altho I do understand why someone who sells on eBay as an actual business would have more than 1 account, since I just sell as a hobby it's not worth it for me. :)
 


I purchased from this seller and received scrappers. I would avoid this seller. Especially if they have negative FB for selling scrappers (which they did not when I purchased, but it was quite a while ago that I purchased, those pins are now in our "scrapper collection" LOL)



Good point, altho some of us do buy from scrapper sellers for different reasons. I buy scrappers so I can use them in decorating, for example in the hall bathroom I've got a Nemo cross stitch, I purchased Nemo pins to decorate around the cross stitch, I wanted scrappers so I bought from someone I knew sold them, I wanted scrappers because I did not want good pins to get ruined from being in the bathroom, I was worried good pins would rust. I also have made magnets or done other "crafty" projects, I've also purchased pins suspecting they were scrappers but I liked the pin so I bought it anyway. Also, in doing my part to "out" the scrapper sellers on eBay I've purchased from sellers just so I could post on this thread. I do this all under 1 eBay name and I sell pins under that same name, so checking your seller's feedback is a good idea but it's not always fool proof either. :) I would hope that if you reviewed my FB you would still buy from me, even tho I have purchased from scrapper sellers, just for the reasons I've stated above.



I don't agree with having more then 1 account, I feel that if someone is an honest buyer or seller there is no need to have more than 1 account. Altho I do understand why someone who sells on eBay as an actual business would have more than 1 account, since I just sell as a hobby it's not worth it for me. :)

I do sell...as my main source of income..
whether or not you agree with it...
as a way of proving honesty in a seller is debatable.
All sellers who also buy..have to protect themselves from dishonest sellers.
What a dishonest seller does is:
You buy an item.....
you get ripped off....one way or another...
the seller rips you off.
so...you complain..file an ebay dispute..leave bad feedback..ect.
You do what any robbed buyer would do.
And...the dishonest seller....
buys from you...as retribution.
they actually open extra buying accounts..
just to ruin your feedback and extort you.
The seller then extorts you to remove your claim and feedback...
or..he will ruin your reputation.
Ebay does nothing...even if you prove that the bad seller is extorting you.
they talk a good game..
and do..nothing.
In fact..
the seller that caused me to do this a year ago..
is still there..
robbing folks left and right and piling up bad feedback...
It took me..6 months to finally remove his retaliatory feedback.
I buy a lot...
so...I have had my share of crooked sellers...
and..this has happened to me..3 times.
so..as you are not a business seller...
you are not in the same mindset..
as the business sellers...
that do rip people off.
so..crooked sellers do have more than one account...
and..so do honest sellers...
to avoid the problems..
with the crooked sellers.
to sum it up...
a crooked seller...
will not give you access..to his buying history.
 
Did you read her feedback?:scared1:
no.
she is not....
so..in order to read..to read feedback...
go to feedback..
hover your mouse over all negative feedbacks...
and click on the red number...
only the negatives will pop up...
and..that way you can judge
not all neg. feedback is warranted...
but..in her case..
it is pretty bad...
you should also...
click on all the neutrals...and..read them.
another good rule of thumb is...
stay away from any seller..
who has feedback under 99 %..
I normally will not buy from anyone with under 99.5...
[unless their feedback is bad..for stupid reasons]



Actually I did it was 99.7 positive only 6 negatives, so I came here to ask those who have been buying pins. In the negatives she commented back she offered to replace the 4-5 scrappers and duplicates. Some of the feedback was concerning duplicates or time delays.

We get them for fun and only trade with the CM's. I know I got a couple scrappers off the CM's when I checked the list. However they are cute and we like them and since we traded cheap pins it was no big deal. However I did have a young child who wanted to trade with me as I have a purse that I attach my pins on. However it was a pin I bought at DLR and paid a nice price and the pin they wanted to trade was more than likely a scrapper so I just told them I did not trade the ones on my purse and let the parents know where I bought it.

I would prefer not to trade scrappers and add to the bad pins out there. I admit we bought at least $400 in pins in the last couple trips. This will be our first trip to WDW and wanted to let the kids do trades with CM's. In the past we did not do this and only bought special pins we wanted to keep. However I just love the HM pins and that is what we trade for.

It seems like you need to take a book of scrappers with you to trade. Something that should be fun has turned into a lot of work. Ohh well.

Thanks for your feedback.
 
I do sell...as my main source of income..
whether or not you agree with it...
as a way of proving honesty in a seller is debatable.
All sellers who also buy..have to protect themselves from dishonest sellers.
What a dishonest seller does is:
You buy an item.....
you get ripped off....one way or another...
the seller rips you off.
so...you complain..file an ebay dispute..leave bad feedback..ect.
You do what any robbed buyer would do.
And...the dishonest seller....
buys from you...as retribution.
they actually open extra buying accounts..
just to ruin your feedback and extort you.
The seller then extorts you to remove your claim and feedback...
or..he will ruin your reputation.
Ebay does nothing...even if you prove that the bad seller is extorting you.
they talk a good game..
and do..nothing.
In fact..
the seller that caused me to do this a year ago..
is still there..
robbing folks left and right and piling up bad feedback...
It took me..6 months to finally remove his retaliatory feedback.
I buy a lot...
so...I have had my share of crooked sellers...
and..this has happened to me..3 times.
so..as you are not a business seller...
you are not in the same mindset..
as the business sellers...
that do rip people off.
so..crooked sellers do have more than one account...
and..so do honest sellers...
to avoid the problems..
with the crooked sellers.
to sum it up...
a crooked seller...
will not give you access..to his buying history.

I'm sorry, sometimes I get confused when reading your posts, due to the way they show up on my end. I'm not sure but I think we are agreeing, you are saying you do sell as a business so yes I understand why you would have more then 1 account, as I said I'm more a hobby seller so I'll stick with 1 account. I haven't run across any problem buyers or sellers like you were mentioning. However, if a crooked seller doesn't give access to his/her buying history and an honest seller does the same then how does one determine who is crooked and who is honest? Does that make sense? lol

Actually I did it was 99.7 positive only 6 negatives, so I came here to ask those who have been buying pins. In the negatives she commented back she offered to replace the 4-5 scrappers and duplicates. Some of the feedback was concerning duplicates or time delays.

We get them for fun and only trade with the CM's. I know I got a couple scrappers off the CM's when I checked the list. However they are cute and we like them and since we traded cheap pins it was no big deal. However I did have a young child who wanted to trade with me as I have a purse that I attach my pins on. However it was a pin I bought at DLR and paid a nice price and the pin they wanted to trade was more than likely a scrapper so I just told them I did not trade the ones on my purse and let the parents know where I bought it.

I would prefer not to trade scrappers and add to the bad pins out there. I admit we bought at least $400 in pins in the last couple trips. This will be our first trip to WDW and wanted to let the kids do trades with CM's. In the past we did not do this and only bought special pins we wanted to keep. However I just love the HM pins and that is what we trade for.

It seems like you need to take a book of scrappers with you to trade. Something that should be fun has turned into a lot of work. Ohh well.

Thanks for your feedback.

I was not offered an exchange for the scrappers I recieved, I was basically told too bad so sad (I thought I had posted that on this thread but maybe not) and she was not willing to work with me at all. And yes, something that should be fun has become more work, but that doesn't keep it from being fun for us. :)
 


I was not offered an exchange for the scrappers I recieved, I was basically told too bad so sad (I thought I had posted that on this thread but maybe not) and she was not willing to work with me at all. And yes, something that should be fun has become more work, but that doesn't keep it from being fun for us. :)[/QUOTE]


I had went through many pages and did not find this person listed, this is why I asked. It is hard to know about any of the feedback, as they can post they offered something and maybe they did not.

We will still have fun, as we are not getting all worried about scrappers, and my kids are just trading the pins for ones they like. Then we buy some really nice ones to keep also. Some I will only buy at the parks such as holiday pins as I want the memory to go with it.

I did like the idea of using some of the scrapper's for projects. I may just work on that with my oldest son, he has autism and this would be fun for him to make shadow boxes with pins and pictures to sell.

Thanks
 
I'm sorry, sometimes I get confused when reading your posts, due to the way they show up on my end. I'm not sure but I think we are agreeing, you are saying you do sell as a business so yes I understand why you would have more then 1 account, as I said I'm more a hobby seller so I'll stick with 1 account. I haven't run across any problem buyers or sellers like you were mentioning. However, if a crooked seller doesn't give access to his/her buying history and an honest seller does the same then how does one determine who is crooked and who is honest? Does that make sense? lo

well...the point is..
that the buying history..
is not yours or my..business.
It is not how you determine honesty...


as to the girl saying that the seller only had 6 negatives...:rotfl:
that IS the problem with ebay.
6 negatives is a HUGE amount...
if..they are all...warranted.
My rating is lower than that...
the seller has a 99.7..
mine is a 99.5.
I have one negative...:rotfl:..
and..that was because...
my house burned down..
and..I refunded the buyer./...:rotfl:
as I said....
that feedback was not warranted...
but..mine is lower..
as i had less transactions..
so..the percentage is not always..legitimate.
A crappy seller who sells thousands of items....
will have a higher percentage..
than a good seller..
who sell less..
or multiples to the same repeat buyers.
as...
if you have a regular buyer..
who buys lots of stuff..
all the time..
only one of his feedbacks..will count.
 
well...the point is..
that the buying history..
is not yours or my..business.
It is not how you determine honesty...


as to the girl saying that the seller only had 6 negatives...:rotfl:
that IS the problem with ebay.
6 negatives is a HUGE amount...
if..they are all...warranted.
My rating is lower than that...
the seller has a 99.7..
mine is a 99.5.
I have one negative...:rotfl:..
and..that was because...
my house burned down..
and..I refunded the buyer./...:rotfl:
as I said....
that feedback was not warranted...
but..mine is lower..
as i had less transactions..
so..the percentage is not always..legitimate.
A crappy seller who sells thousands of items....
will have a higher percentage..
than a good seller..
who sell less..
or multiples to the same repeat buyers.
as...
if you have a regular buyer..
who buys lots of stuff..
all the time..
only one of his feedbacks..will count.

Multiple feedbacks do count, but only if they are separated by at least one business day. I have 100% positive FB, both as a buyer and a seller. I don't pay attention to percentages, I pay attention to actual FB and I review the negatives and neutrals that are on the seller's end. I also use my own experiences with eBay to determine whether or not I want to attempt to purchase from them. The seller in question probably has a higher % because they have sold more items then you have, I don't know that of course because I don't know who you are on eBay. :) But that would be my assumption. And that's why I don't use the percentages, just the FB and the look of the auctions. :)
 
Hi all,

I just wanted to take a moment to point out that one of the sellers who was RED on page one continues to sell scrappers. Theatreandfilms sent me a group of pins to fulfill an order I placed on ebay. Sadly, it was only after receiving the pins that I discovered this forum, along with the fact that the pins were predominantly scrappers. Rather than send the pins back, and having them end up in circulation anyway, I just tossed them. It was about a $40 mistake on my part. Lesson learned! (ouch)

Interestingly, the detail that caught my eye- and caused me to begin my research- was that one of the pins said on the back that it was one of a "compkleter set". I didn't figure QC could be that bad and I was right. Upon finding this forum- and the ensuing websites recommended thoughout this thread- I was able to determine that an overwhelming majority of the pins were indeed scrappers. I have left negative feedback and I feel certain that I'll receive negative feedback in return but I will consider it worthwhile it if helps sway someone away. Thanks for all of your efforts.
 
Hi all,

I just wanted to take a moment to point out that one of the sellers who was RED on page one continues to sell scrappers. Theatreandfilms sent me a group of pins to fulfill an order I placed on ebay. Sadly, it was only after receiving the pins that I discovered this forum, along with the fact that the pins were predominantly scrappers. Rather than send the pins back, and having them end up in circulation anyway, I just tossed them. It was about a $40 mistake on my part. Lesson learned! (ouch)

Interestingly, the detail that caught my eye- and caused me to begin my research- was that one of the pins said on the back that it was one of a "compkleter set". I didn't figure QC could be that bad and I was right. Upon finding this forum- and the ensuing websites recommended thoughout this thread- I was able to determine that an overwhelming majority of the pins were indeed scrappers. I have left negative feedback and I feel certain that I'll receive negative feedback in return but I will consider it worthwhile it if helps sway someone away. Thanks for all of your efforts.

Well...on the bright side...
sellers can no longer leave any feedback for buyers..that is not positive...
crooked sellers scared off too many buyers that way..
now..crooked buyers can torture you...
but..that's..another story.:)
 
Well...on the bright side...
sellers can no longer leave any feedback for buyers..that is not positive...
crooked sellers scared off too many buyers that way..
now..crooked buyers can torture you...
but..that's..another story.:)
That's just something I find not fair at all. As someone who usually buys on Ebay, I think someone should be able to leave buyers negative feedback, so you can block bad bidders from bidding on your auctions. I don't want to waste my time selling to someone who I need to constantly e-mail for payment or something.
 
That's just something I find not fair at all. As someone who usually buys on Ebay, I think someone should be able to leave buyers negative feedback, so you can block bad bidders from bidding on your auctions. I don't want to waste my time selling to someone who I need to constantly e-mail for payment or something.

Well..you CAN block bad buyers...
you just cannot say anything negative about them.
so..now the trick is to remove the bad buyers..BEFORE they buy from you...
in fact..if you sell on the bay..pm me..and I will C&P my block list to you.
There are 2 ways to do it...
way #1..if someone is currently bidding on your auction....
look at the feedback that they have left for others...
I ALWAYS do..
and..if by their feedback..I think they are a bad buyer..
they are removed BEFORE they win the auction...
the other way..is to research folks who leave crappy feedback ..
for no good reason..
and block them..BEFORE they bid on your stuff.
The reason that you look at the feedback that they leave for others is....
Everyone..
has bought from a crumb..now and then....
but,if every other item they leave feedback for..
is either not received or it is obvious...
that they are a bit TOO fussy....
[like yelling if a 50 year old dress...has pilling:lmao:]..
just BLOCK them.
If they do it to everyone else..
they will do it to you.
As for the non paying buyers..
there is nothing you can do.
They have you over a barrel...
because..you cannot relist that item...
for 8 days...
and..if you do...and they then pay....
you either have to eat the relisting fees..
.or get bad feedback from them.:confused3
 
Hi all,

I just wanted to take a moment to point out that one of the sellers who was RED on page one continues to sell scrappers. Theatreandfilms sent me a group of pins to fulfill an order I placed on ebay. Sadly, it was only after receiving the pins that I discovered this forum, along with the fact that the pins were predominantly scrappers. Rather than send the pins back, and having them end up in circulation anyway, I just tossed them. It was about a $40 mistake on my part. Lesson learned! (ouch)

Interestingly, the detail that caught my eye- and caused me to begin my research- was that one of the pins said on the back that it was one of a "compkleter set". I didn't figure QC could be that bad and I was right. Upon finding this forum- and the ensuing websites recommended thoughout this thread- I was able to determine that an overwhelming majority of the pins were indeed scrappers. I have left negative feedback and I feel certain that I'll receive negative feedback in return but I will consider it worthwhile it if helps sway someone away. Thanks for all of your efforts.
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I'm sorry you got burned, I hope our thread is helpful to you in the future. :) Thank You for not trading them and thank you for leaving neg FB. :)

That's just something I find not fair at all. As someone who usually buys on Ebay, I think someone should be able to leave buyers negative feedback, so you can block bad bidders from bidding on your auctions. I don't want to waste my time selling to someone who I need to constantly e-mail for payment or something.

I agree, I feel that sellers should be able to leave neg FB if it's warranted.

Well..you CAN block bad buyers...
you just cannot say anything negative about them.
so..now the trick is to remove the bad buyers..BEFORE they buy from you...
in fact..if you sell on the bay..pm me..and I will C&P my block list to you.
There are 2 ways to do it...
way #1..if someone is currently bidding on your auction....
look at the feedback that they have left for others...
I ALWAYS do..
and..if by their feedback..I think they are a bad buyer..
they are removed BEFORE they win the auction...
the other way..is to research folks who leave crappy feedback ..
for no good reason..
and block them..BEFORE they bid on your stuff.
The reason that you look at the feedback that they leave for others is....
Everyone..
has bought from a crumb..now and then....
but,if every other item they leave feedback for..
is either not received or it is obvious...
that they are a bit TOO fussy....
[like yelling if a 50 year old dress...has pilling:lmao:]..
just BLOCK them.
If they do it to everyone else..
they will do it to you.
As for the non paying buyers..
there is nothing you can do.
They have you over a barrel...
because..you cannot relist that item...
for 8 days...
and..if you do...and they then pay....
you either have to eat the relisting fees..
.or get bad feedback from them.:confused3

I'll be PMing you for your list. LOL
 
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I'm sorry you got burned, I hope our thread is helpful to you in the future. :) Thank You for not trading them and thank you for leaving neg FB. :)

I'm sure I'll be referring to this thread frequently. (I've caught the pin addiction faster than I could have ever imagined).

It took me a couple of days to leave the negative feedback- I was nervous about doing it for some unexplainable reason. Debranator makes an extremely valid point a few posts back: The negative feedback got TOTALLY swallowed up in the landslide of feedback from folks who were happy with their purchase, not knowing the shoddy quality of the merchandise they had received. Having made 2 purchases from this seller at the same time (yes, I deserve to be scourged for my stupidity- trust me, I've beat myself up pretty badly ever since) I still have one more opportunity to leave feedback. I'm just waiting a couple of days in order to spread it out a bit.
 
I'm sure I'll be referring to this thread frequently. (I've caught the pin addiction faster than I could have ever imagined).

It took me a couple of days to leave the negative feedback- I was nervous about doing it for some unexplainable reason. Debranator makes an extremely valid point a few posts back: The negative feedback got TOTALLY swallowed up in the landslide of feedback from folks who were happy with their purchase, not knowing the shoddy quality of the merchandise they had received. Having made 2 purchases from this seller at the same time (yes, I deserve to be scourged for my stupidity- trust me, I've beat myself up pretty badly ever since) I still have one more opportunity to leave feedback. I'm just waiting a couple of days in order to spread it out a bit.

I do not recall...
if I posted this very important info..
Ebays feedback policy..is..STUPID.
they recommend sellers with tons of bad feedback...and penalize the good ones...
because of the DSR ratings.
The DSR ratings are those little...
supposedly anonymous stars..that come up when you leave feedback.
want to REALLY get a seller..
forget about the negs..they really do not matter...
hit em...in the stars.
all you need are 2 or 3... 1 star ratings,
for any reason...
and..the seller is severely penalized....
ebay does not care about negatives now..only the star system...
so..you have one more feedback..give em all one star.
If the seller is a crook....
NOT because..you do not like them or another silly reason...
Give one star...for each category.
 
I do not recall...
if I posted this very important info..
Ebays feedback policy..is..STUPID.
they recommend sellers with tons of bad feedback...and penalize the good ones...
because of the DSR ratings.
The DSR ratings are those little...
supposedly anonymous stars..that come up when you leave feedback.
want to REALLY get a seller..
forget about the negs..they really do not matter...
hit em...in the stars.
all you need are 2 or 3... 1 star ratings,
for any reason...
and..the seller is severely penalized....
ebay does not care about negatives now..only the star system...
so..you have one more feedback..give em all one star.
If the seller is a crook....
NOT because..you do not like them or another silly reason...
Give one star...for each category.

I actually remember reading that in one of your early posts and followed through on that in my 1st feedback. Thank you for your insights.
 
I'm sure I'll be referring to this thread frequently. (I've caught the pin addiction faster than I could have ever imagined).

It took me a couple of days to leave the negative feedback- I was nervous about doing it for some unexplainable reason. Debranator makes an extremely valid point a few posts back: The negative feedback got TOTALLY swallowed up in the landslide of feedback from folks who were happy with their purchase, not knowing the shoddy quality of the merchandise they had received. Having made 2 purchases from this seller at the same time (yes, I deserve to be scourged for my stupidity- trust me, I've beat myself up pretty badly ever since) I still have one more opportunity to leave feedback. I'm just waiting a couple of days in order to spread it out a bit.

This is exactly why I click on the negative FB button and review all the negatives myself. I do that with any and all sellers tho, not just the pin sellers. :)
 
I have some questions about scrappers. you can imagine my paranoia considering i have anxiety problems anyways, when i hear that my pins may or may not be fake. the thing is....i'm a fairly new collector and i'm a very limited collector. in other words, i dont collect to trade i collect to keep. I'm mainly buy le series such as the then and now series, white glove series and piece of disney history series to name a few. From what i gather it sounds like the scrapping problem comes mainly in the lanyard and grab bag pins. Do i really have to worry when it comes to the series that i've mentioned or does this whole scrapper thing not really apply to me? Also i keep hearing a couple things i dont understand.....one being..."if it comes in a plastic baggie it's fake." well a handful of trusted sellers ship their pins in small little zipbloc bag things (pin sized) is this the same thing or are you talking about something else completely?
Secondly, people say "if it doesn't have 2 of x or 7 of x or so on on the back then it's fake. I;ve rarely run across an le series that actually lists the number of the run that the pin is. Which ones even have that? I guess there's alot i don't know. I just want someone to help me figure these things out.

On that note, i just discovered this "list' right after purchasing a pin from pin surplus (DOH!) which i'm still waiting on. It's one from the piece of disney history set so i'm not sure if any of those are even scrappers. Does she always sell scrappers or does she sell legit pins too?

and lastly,

i have some names to add to the list i havent seen yet.

yourwdwstore.net-green list
thepinconnection-green list
pinscout203-green

all of these i had great experiences with and have received all legit pins, especially the first two.

that's all thanks.

Don't make fun of me if i said anything stupid.
 

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