New security measure: Do not disturb signs being Removed!

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Maybe you're right and there was no intent here.

However, its also possible that the jerk in Vegas attack will now be seen by others around the world as an example of future possible attacks. Much like vehicles hitting pedestrians in crowded streets is now happening with increasing regularity after being unheard of a couple of years ago. It seems likely to me that there will sooner or later be copies of the vegas attack as well.

This was my thought as well. Copycat crimes have to be a concern or all these hotel chains wouldn't be doing these checks.

Interesting. That’s not what the news here in Houston reported on the 6pm news. However, they’ve been misreporting on this event since it happened. What you’re saying makes sense- if he had a weapon on him at a bar- moron- that may be why they searched his room.

According to the chief of police, there was no additional intent.

My point is simply that the op basically implied that the police thwarted another mass shooting and just assumed this guy was out to kill people, which wasn’t the case. I also don’t make the connection between that and not having do not disturb signs in hotel rooms.


Yes and the original story didn't have as many details as now, as it was clearly developing. I'm glad there wasn't any ill intent there but there's no way they could know that at the time. The story made it sound as if he did, maybe I misread I don't know. But personally, it sounds bad especially with all the news surrounding the Vegas shooter. These hotels may have to make a policy decision and people probably won't like it either way.
 
Does someone have something official from Disney stating that they are coming once a day? It says nothing about the frequency of visits on the new occupied signs, and all the articles linked here aren't from Disney...

I think you all are getting worked up over nothing - I highly doubt someone will be checking every room once a day - and even if this is the case, how is this any different than when housekeeping came in to empty your trash and make your beds anyway?
 
Does someone have something official from Disney stating that they are coming once a day? It says nothing about the frequency of visits on the new occupied signs, and all the articles linked here aren't from Disney...

I think you all are getting worked up over nothing - I highly doubt someone will be checking every room once a day - and even if this is the case, how is this any different than when housekeeping came in to empty your trash and make your beds anyway?
For those that are DVC, we received an email that stated that they would be entering every day.

Your in-room experience has never been more important to us. That's why we will begin removing trash from your rooms at Disney Vacation Club resorts on a daily basis in addition to regular housekeeping visits.

How is that different? Well, they used to come in every 4 days.
 
Friends, even if you had a "Do Not Disturb" sign on your door, the hotel has always had the right to enter your room with or without your consent. Acting like this is a huge affront to one's privacy is misplaced anger. You've never had total privacy at Disney. They NEED security measures like this; they're a huge target for terrorists and other sickos who want to cause harm to people. If you want to stay in WDW's house, you play by their rules. If you can't abide by those rules, there are plenty of other options for you in the Orlando area.

I understand the nap concern: naps are important to probably about 30% of everyone who stays on the property. Disney is not going to take away your ability to nap peacefully. Considering everything Disney does to bend over backwards for guests (and especially children), I bet a quick chat with a cast member at the resort would find them willing to accommodate a nap schedule or other emergent need for privacy.
 


Send Tigger to check on my home please. Let me know when he is coming so I can have my grand daughter there as well. :tigger:
You joke, but this is a step towards just that. If you allow your rights to be eroded little by little, you will soon have no rights.

We use the Do Not Disturb sign on our last day, as we normally stay until 11:00am. We don't want housekeeping to be knocking on the door at 8:00am when we already said that we would not be leaving until 11:00.
As long as they are not knocking on my door at 6 am I'm fine with it.
I recall reports on this board of that very thing happening on days guests were departing.

just received an email today from DVC regarding membership benefits. These excerpts answer the question of housekeeping entering the villas:


"Your in-room experience has never been more important to us. That's why we will begin removing trash from your rooms at Disney Vacation Club resorts on a daily basis in addition to regular housekeeping visits. The daily service begins December 22, 2017, at five resort properties (Bay Lake Tower, Polynesian Villas & Bungalows, The Villas at Disney's Grand Floridian, Disney's Grand Californian and Aulani). The service extends to all other Disney Vacation Club resorts on January 7, 2018."
I mean it’s Disney it’s their private property. You’re staying in their rooms. They have a right to access if if they do choose
They only have the right to access for cleaning, maintenance, disturbing of other guests. They can't even allow the police to enter your room.
The bit about changing trash daily is being used to allow them daily access.


I think napping in the room is a big issue. What percentage of WDW attendees are age 4 and under? I would guess at least 5-10%. That's a lot of potential nappers :faint:
Don't forget us over the age of 45. We need our naps too.

So interesting scenario...

Let's say that the husband pops out for ice, comes back to the room with the kids crying and his wife freaking out with a strange man in the room moving towards his naked children. Husband goes into full defensive mode and assaults the person as he fears something untoward is going on. Cause and effect... I think we all know what would happen, and it wouldn't be positive for the guests!
I am not stopping to ask questions. My assumption will be a pervert is after my children and will act accordingly. After I learn that it is hotel staff, my next act will be to contact a lawyer.

And that’s the problem. Lawsuits. I know ppl want someone to pay, but sometimes no one is at fault except the person who did it.
And the company that hired them.

Again. The World is private property. They can do as they please to make sure that anyone there is being managed.
Disney is not a public government. They have every right to do whatever they want; they're responsible to guest safety first AND shareholders. You, as people who "chose" to pay to use their resort, don't have "rights" on someone else's private property. Thank God. I'm glad they're incorporating this policy. They know way more than we do about private security and threats.
A police state? This isn’t the government, it’s a private company’s hotel rooms. That’s a bit of hyperbole there.
But they cannot circumvent laws and the constitution.


This is probably a result of the "gift card for no housekeeping" policy. A LOT of people are now opting out of housekeeping - far more than used to. While billed as a security issue, I think it's probably 50% security, 50% pest control. People are gross, and 3 days of trash is just an invitation to all the icky critters setting up shop in their rooms - and once they are there, it's not a matter of deep cleaning a room - the critters just move on to the next.
Pests was my first thought when I learned this.

BRINGING MY OWN SIGN
Yuup


I don't understand how the nap thing is an issue. You leave in the morning, your room gets serviced, and then you come back for your nap.
You assume that the fairy godmother is housekeeping using her magic wand to clean all the rooms in just a couple of hours.

The deadbolt can be over come by security. Also if one person left the room and is expected back, most people would locked the deadbolt, especially if they were bathing.
I would be pissed if my wife was expecting me back and she deadbolted the door.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I have literally never had a housekeeper come for daily housekeeping in the morning at WDW. They always show up around 3 pm, if at all.
You just haven't been early on their list.

Do Not Disturb has clearly been a suggestion rather than a rule in my experience.
Yuup. Disney is the only hotel chain that the DND sign doesn't apply, in my experience.

For example, a single male books a room and is seen making multiple trips to his car. He doesn’t have park tickets and isn’t following routine vacation patterns. A security officer can enter his room wearing a gunpowder sensor. If he gets a hit on the sensor, a thorough search can be performed to find the weapon and he’s taken into custody.
Not everyone staying onsite is going to the parks. I was there a couple years ago for work and used my DVC. Never went to the parks in the 3 days I was here.
This is known as an illegal search & seizure. A person renting a hotel room has an expected right of privacy. If the firearm was found in the open by housekeeping, the hotel could ask you to leave. If they call the police, the police would have to wait for you to arrive and ask to enter or obtain a warrant.


but we noticed someone still stopped by to open our curtains and adjust the room temperature.
This pisses me off. I leave the windows closed to keep out the hot sun and the thermostat set for the temp I am comfortable in. It disgusts me every time I enter my room and it is hot.

So are they going to check all the parked vehicles in the hotel parking lots too to make sure nobody is stock piling anything in their vans or trucks?
I had my car checked before entering a casino resort property in the middle of nowhere last weekend.

I actually think it's an excellent idea, that should be put in place.
This is allowed in France because they have been eroding the public's rights in the name of counter terrorism.
 


For those that are DVC, we received an email that stated that they would be entering every day.

What I read for DVC was that they'd be emptying your trash everyday, isn't that how they phrased it? Where does it say that they are coming in everyday to do a "spot check" of your room for security reasons for both DVC and regular hotel guests?
 
What I read for DVC was that they'd be emptying your trash everyday, isn't that how they phrased it? Where does it say that they are coming in everyday to do a "spot check" of your room for security reasons for both DVC and regular hotel guests?
Do you really think they suddenly decided to staff up to visit every DVC room every day because trash was piling up? At the same time they took out the DND signs from their non-DVC rooms?
 
While I think it is less than optimal to remove the signs, I also think there is also a lot of unwarranted gnashing of teeth going on here. I can't tell you how many times my room was cleaned at a non-disney hotel despite a DND sign being on the door.
 
You joke, but this is a step towards just that. If you allow your rights to be eroded little by little, you will soon have no rights.

But they do have the right to refuse service to anyone who doesn't abide by their rules on property. I choose to stay on their property and I abide by the rules. This new rule doesn't faze me at all. pirate: I will have the little swing lock on and if they knock, I will answer the door.

If this rule causes that much of a problem then maybe it is time to sell DVC. Lots of buyers out there.
 
I see what you're saying, but if I want a relaxing vacation with lots of privacy, I'm probably not heading to Disney anyway :confused3
Respectfully you may not and I personally may expect to go go go at Disney but I absolutely completely understand that as with many vacation destinations a variety of people choose to vacation there.

There are plenty of people on this board that spend a lot more time at the resorts. I mean there's even rooms like the Savannah room at AKL specifically designed so you spend time out on the balcony. Disney doesn't tell you you can only spend time there in the wee morning or the late evening.

There are people who post a thread about what to do on a Disney non-park vacation...meaning they have no intent to go into the parks. I would assume their schedule would probably run differently than someone who is going to RD at the parks and comes back late in the evening after being out at the parks.

Disney makes $$$$$$ on selling weddings and honeymoons on their property.

Plenty of people post about going back to their rooms mid-day to escape the heat, allow for a nap either for themselves or for their children, for pool time, etc.

Disney isn't just 4 theme parks and 2 water parks. They have built themselves to be a destination place itself.

But even at other hotels (and I stay at Hilton/Hampton whenever I can) I expect a level of privacy inside my hotel room. Just a few weeks ago we went to Newark because my husband had an equipment test he needed to go to. Anyways while my husband drove to Teterboro for the test I stayed in the hotel room. We had the do not disturb sign up for obvious reasons. I expected privacy in that room and would have certaintly been startled had someone knocked on the door while I was in there requesting to come in an inspect the room. And to be honest I expect some sort of relaxation when I'm vacation but relaxation in regards to my hotel room may just be taking it easy in the room, taking a bit longer to get ready instead of rushing out, it may mean going back to the room for a nap (like my mom and I did in October when we went to Vegas while my husband was attending a work conference; as well as getting in our swimming suits for pool time).
 
Hotel room. Just a few weeks ago we went to Newark because my husband had an equipment test he needed to go to. Anyways while my husband drove to Teterboro for the test I stayed in the hotel room. We had the do not disturb sign up for obvious reasons. I expected privacy in that room and would have certaintly been startled had someone knocked on the door while I was in there requesting to come in an inspect the room. And to be honest I expect some sort of relaxation when I'm vacation but relaxation in regards to my hotel room may just be taking it easy in the room, taking a bit longer to get ready instead of rushing out, it may mean going back to the room for a nap (like my mom and I did in October when we went to Vegas while my husband was attending a work conference; as well as getting in our swimming suits for pool time).
Just wanted to comment on staying in the room while your husband goes to test equipment.

This is something I did regularly, last year.

Like yours, my husband had to go to Atlanta for testing.

During the day, he went to the test lab. And I either stayed in the room or went to the indoor pool, then back to the room.

The DND sign stayed up. And they stayed out. And like you, I would have been pretty startled if someone had knocked on the door to "inspect the room."
 
I believe that many who are so willing to allow intrusions are clueless as to how many other people spend time in a hotel room.

Just because those folks leave in the morning and come back in the evening it all works out for them.
Whereas so many people use the room differently and these folks just don't get it.

I hate bothering my vacation trying to figure out when the maids are going to finally get to my room.
I understand that when a room is being turned over it naturally gets priority.
I'm staying over so my room will be last on the list.
That being the case, many times I just prefer to forego maid service.
I don't need my bed made or trash taken out on a daily basis.

My main beef is if this is a daily inspection disguised as trash or maid service.
Which is it Disney? My credit card needs to know, I will stay elsewhere.
 
The policy allows Disney to maintain a vacation atmosphere while improving security. For example, a single male books a room and is seen making multiple trips to his car. He doesn’t have park tickets and isn’t following routine vacation patterns. A security officer can enter his room wearing a gunpowder sensor. If he gets a hit on the sensor, a thorough search can be performed to find the weapon and he’s taken into custody. Disney has to protect guests and stock holders.

Taken into custody? It's not generally illegal to possess a gun in a hotel room in Florida. Disney could probably evict the person, but as long as they leave peaceably that is about it.

http://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1048&context=circuit_review
 
Taken into custody? For what? This isn't California (Disneyland). It's not generally illegal to possess a gun in a hotel room in Florida. Disney could probably evict the person, but as long as they leave peaceably that is about it. Also, there is a huge 4th Amendment issue with an officer randomly searching rooms without a warrant or probable cause.

http://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1048&context=circuit_review
Actually CA has protections regarding guns in temporary residences (hotels, actually case was a homeless person in a tent or make shift home) CA like FL also doesn't give signs force of law so those few Californians who do have a permit to carry can do so regardless of Disney Policy (Although Disney will complain to the issuing authority)
 
I lived in an apartment complex for several years when I was a teenager. Maintenance, et al, could come in whenever they wanted. They would knock first, but most times it would be a knock on the door as they were opening it. My Dad worked nights, and they would wake him up coming in. The final straw was when my sister was home, took a shower, and came out naked to find a stranger standing there! They guy ran out as she screamed. Those experiences have definitely soured me on staying in hotels where people come in every day.

I had my car checked before entering a casino resort property in the middle of nowhere last weekend.

I'm afraid that will be next. When Disney does that, it will be the straw that broken the camels back for us.

I believe that many who are so willing to allow intrusions are clueless as to how many other people spend time in a hotel room.

I think some of them are folks that believe Disney can do no wrong. Or folks who haven't experienced folks coming in where they live at all hours.

Remember, Security never eases up. It only gets stronger and stricter.
 
I think some of them are folks that believe Disney can do no wrong. Or folks who haven't experienced folks coming in where they live at all hours.

Remember, Security never eases up. It only gets stronger and stricter.

Or it could be that some of us actually do believe that in this day and age, security does need to get stronger and stricter and are willing to help in that effort. I can criticize Disney for a lot of things and I do, but I laud them for the attempt at making WDW a bubble of security. When we go there, I feel safe and if I have to answer the door in the middle of my nap to be entitled to that safe feeling then it is worth it IMO.
 
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