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No. I know what I wrote. I never said it wasn’t a big issue, I said it was a different issue.

A guest doesn’t have to be doing anything wrong to fall out the door. Have you not read all the personal accounts on this thread saying otherwise?

To me, track and train go hand in hand. I don’t see why there can’t be some sort of canopy in place like DL.
So you’re saying a guest who is seated and or holding onto the handrails standing clear of the doors like the announcement says could still fall out of the door? I’m confused...
 
I can think of two incidents within the last couple years. This door and the monorail getting stuck on the beam. Other than that what else was there? It’s not like this is happening every week. Sure the monorails will have some service issues periodically but people are never on them for that usually and then we see extra buses brought in to help the crowds move.

Oh brother. Please read my posts if you’re going to reply to me. I’ve already listed the 5 major incidents that happened in the last two years and all the little snafus that happen regularly. I’m not going to rehash this again.

Good night.
 
Yes, they’re obviously maintained, just not well.

I know they were recently automated and painted. Please don’t assume you know more than I do.

I don’t expect Disney to announce a new fleet. I’ve already said that.
I’m not assuming to know more than you I just think that some here including yourself believe Disney doesn’t do anything to maintain the monorails. If they weren’t safe to run they wouldn’t run them. Disney isn’t going to purposely put something out there that could harm someone. Are the monorail perfect? Of course not. Do they still do their jobs? Yes.
 
So you’re saying a guest who is seated and or holding onto the handrails standing clear of the doors like the announcement says could still fall out of the door? I’m confused...

Sigh... :badpc:

No, just no. You’ve clearly haven’t read any of the thread.

I’m done. I don’t care if you’re a mod. I’m not replying to you anymore.
 


Oh brother. Please read my posts if you’re going to reply to me. I’ve already listed the 5 major incidents that happened in the last two years and all the little snafus that happen regularly. I’m not going to rehash this again.

Good night.
Cars, boats, planes, trains, shoes, bikes, skateboards, horses, etc. All have issues and snafus from time to time. That doesn’t mean they still don’t work.

I’m not saying the monorails shouldn’t be updated or replaced but it’s not like people are getting hurt on them or from them. This is the first time this door incident has ever happened.

Disney also has evacuation plans for this kind of stuff and RCID has special equipment to deal with that if those problems arise.
 
Sigh... :badpc:

No, just no. You’ve clearly haven’t read any of the thread.

I’m done. I don’t care if you’re a mod. I’m not replying to you anymore.
I have read the thread. I’m just confused at to what your point is. It doesn’t matter if I’m a mod or not I’m trying to understand.
 
No. I know what I wrote. I never said it wasn’t a big issue, I said it was a different issue.

A guest doesn’t have to be doing anything wrong to fall out the door. Have you not read all the personal accounts on this thread saying otherwise?

How do you fall out of a door if you aren't leaning on it? Or using it to support you in some method? Explaining away a crush hazard that is always there, just so you can try to make it sound like Disney is falling apart due to cost cutting today is pretty disingenuous. Both hazards required a guest to be doing something they aren't supposed to be doing. One is a risk all day, everyday, one is a risk once in 25 years, which is worse?

To me, track and train go hand in hand. I don’t see why there can’t be some sort of canopy in place like DL.

You've been advocating replacing the trains. Replacing the trains will do nothing to add shielding to the track. The WDW tracks do have shielding in high risk areas. They might need to re-evaluate what is a high risk area, but replacing trains won't do that. Replacing the trains will also do nothing to improve the evacuation process or change the policy of putting extreme caution above passenger comfort.
 


So you’re saying a guest who is seated and or holding onto the handrails standing clear of the doors like the announcement says could still fall out of the door? I’m confused...

The fact that an accident didn't happen was just luck.

As far as who is most likely to fall out if this were to happen again, my guess would be a small child.
 
How do you fall out of a door if you aren't leaning on it? Or using it to support you in some method? Explaining away a crush hazard that is always there, just so you can try to make it sound like Disney is falling apart due to cost cutting today is pretty disingenuous. Both hazards required a guest to be doing something they aren't supposed to be doing. One is a risk all day, everyday, one is a risk once in 25 years, which is worse?



You've been advocating replacing the trains. Replacing the trains will do nothing to add shielding to the track. The WDW tracks do have shielding in high risk areas. They might need to re-evaluate what is a high risk area, but replacing trains won't do that. Replacing the trains will also do nothing to improve the evacuation process or change the policy of putting extreme caution above passenger comfort.

The point of posting my small world story was to point out that the safety level at disney has not decreased over the years-- if anything it has increased-- what has also increased is the ability to share information immediately with the entire world, which will create a feeling of decreased safety. 20 years ago no one would have known about the monorail door opening, nor would they know about the crush hazard on IASW---- as the haven't...
 
The fact that an accident didn't happen was just luck.

As far as who is most likely to fall out if this were to happen again, my guess would be a small child.
If everyone is holding onto hand rails and or seated clear of doors nobody should fall out. In that respect I don’t think it was just luck.

If something happened to a child we would likely have seen the entire system shut down for who knows how long. Thankfully nothing happened to anyone.
 
If everyone is holding onto hand rails and or seated clear of doors nobody should fall out. In that respect I don’t think it was just luck.

If something happened to a child we would likely have seen the entire system shut down for who knows how long. Thankfully nothing happened to anyone.

Right, but that's because the car wasn't crowded. We all know people are stuffed in there when it's crowded. And people are assuming that the doors stay shut.

My point was kind of agreeing with you. Chances are, if an accident were to happen, it would have a higher chance of being a child than an adult.

It is luck that no one got hurt. An incident where someone *could* have fallen out is just as bad from a safety perspective as an incident where someone does fall out. Take drunk driving....if someone drives home drunk and doesn't hurt someone it doesn't make their act of driving drunk ok. It just means they (and the public) got lucky
 
The point of posting my small world story was to point out that the safety level at disney has not decreased over the years-- if anything it has increased-- what has also increased is the ability to share information immediately with the entire world, which will create a feeling of decreased safety. 20 years ago no one would have known about the monorail door opening, nor would they know about the crush hazard on IASW---- as the haven't...
Yeah, I know, and I agree your point.
 
You do realize they do maintain the monorails right? There just comes a point in time where a custom built transportation system gets aged where parts are hard to come by. The monorails were just recently all automated and several have been getting new paint jobs. They do work on these monorails but they are also used every day for roughly 18 Hours a day. They get worn down pretty easily. Of course this incident shouldn’t have happened but I don’t think will prompt Disney to announce new monorails tomorrow or anything.

Honestly, what you just posted sounds more like an argument for a new updated fleet. Nobody is saying to throw immense money at the problem just willy nilly. The trains are many years past their expected lifespan, so it's not unreasonable to be wondering why the big delay. I mean, if they are so old that parts are hard to come by, that should say something right there.

Aren't the parks closing earlier than they have in a long time? Aren't PM EMH hours 2 hours now instead of 3? That should have already given them a little more time for maintenance.


I can think of two incidents within the last couple years. This door and the monorail getting stuck on the beam. Other than that what else was there? It’s not like this is happening every week. Sure the monorails will have some service issues periodically but people are never on them for that usually and then we see extra buses brought in to help the crowds move.

If issues are happening at all, eventually don't you think they'll happen when people are on board?

I’m not assuming to know more than you I just think that some here including yourself believe Disney doesn’t do anything to maintain the monorails. If they weren’t safe to run they wouldn’t run them. Disney isn’t going to purposely put something out there that could harm someone. Are the monorail perfect? Of course not. Do they still do their jobs? Yes.

Of course Disney wouldn't purposely operate an unsafe transportation system. But there are degrees of being "safe". And I do worry that Disney's desire to keep margins at such a high level might cloud the judgment of some managers when it comes to budgeting for maintenance.

Cars, boats, planes, trains, shoes, bikes, skateboards, horses, etc. All have issues and snafus from time to time. That doesn’t mean they still don’t work.

I’m not saying the monorails shouldn’t be updated or replaced but it’s not like people are getting hurt on them or from them. This is the first time this door incident has ever happened.

Disney also has evacuation plans for this kind of stuff and RCID has special equipment to deal with that if those problems arise.

Is this the first door incident? Or just the first one to be caught on video?

We just replaced our primary family vehicle. It was 12 years old. Parts are readily available. But there just reaches a point of diminishing returns. Where it's smarter to take the hit and spend the money than to keep throwing money at it fixing things and suffering through the inconvenience of service issues. And foolish to take chances with safety.

If everyone is holding onto hand rails and or seated clear of doors nobody should fall out. In that respect I don’t think it was just luck.

If something happened to a child we would likely have seen the entire system shut down for who knows how long. Thankfully nothing happened to anyone.

Unfortunately it's Disney's job to be one step ahead of their guests. They know not everyone is old enough to understand the dangers. Or careful enough. Or whatever enough. You can't rely on people to follow the rules. You have to be 100% certain your train will not be in motion with a door open.

I mean, come on. This is the company that put lap bars on Splash Mountain. They KNOW people do stupid things.
 
Is this the first door incident? Or just the first one to be caught on video?

It’s the first door incident I’ve ever heard reported. We all know there have been other monorail issues but this is the first to my knowledge of a door open while in motion.

Unfortunately it's Disney's job to be one step ahead of their guests. They know not everyone is old enough to understand the dangers. Or careful enough. Or whatever enough. You can't rely on people to follow the rules. You have to be 100% certain your train will not be in motion with a door open.

I agree however Disney did not know the door was open while in motion. The door was closed when it left the station be reopened after it had left.
 
There really is no danger if everyone just stays seated or moves away from the open door. Honestly, the monorail isn't a thrill ride. No one will be "thrown" out an open door. I find the coverage of this to be a bit overdramatic.

Should this be happening? NO! Disney should be ashamed of the state of the monorails and should have replaced them awhile ago.

But let's stop with the melodrama. The people in the video weren't freaking out because they were never in any real danger. And if there had been kids onboard? I'm sure their parents would have held them tightly.

Remember when the parking lot trams didn't have doors? Did people just go flying out of those day in and day out?

Melodrama? A door opened up in a moving vehicle that travels at heights high enough a fall could kill. They were lucky. It could have been far worse. One person or child standing in front of, or worse leaning against, the door and this could have been a tragedy. Was it? No. But the potential was there. This is a SERIOUS safety issue that needs to be addressed, not brushed off as inconsequential.
 
The door wouldn’t close at station. Engineers finally forced it closed but evidently whatever they did to get it to close didn’t stick.

Let me get this straight - they KNEW. They knew it wasn't working properly and sent it out anyways?

The words I have for them right now, I'm not allowed to type... I hope the media skewers them over this.
 
Let me get this straight - they KNEW. They knew it wasn't working properly and sent it out anyways?

The words I have for them right now, I'm not allowed to type... I hope the media skewers them over this.
They didn’t know the door would open back up. They believed they had fixed the issue but obviously that was not the case.
 
Or maybe you’re too young to remember how WDW used to be. ;)

Safety always used to come first.

That's the old rose colored nostalgia styled glasses lots of us old timers wear. Tread lightly.

All due respect, but if you're referring to "back in the day", safety wasn't as big of an issue because everyone wasn't so sue happy. Lawyers have changed our world. People used to be responsible for their own safety.

I'd disagree. Growing up in a family of attorneys, it was always happening. A certain breed of attorneys popped up (look at billboards), and changed the attitude.

Disney isn’t unsafe they just are profit driven and have been for a long time now.

Preach it brother. With the amount of guests, their Loss/Ratio is very good.

I understand that properly maintained vehicles can last.

I understand there are airplanes older than dirt.

I understand that if Disney were to get new monorails and not maintain them correctly then we’d be in the same spot.

However, I feel there’s no saving the current fleet. They’ve been neglected for too long.

This has been touched on already, but newly automated, new paint, etc. They are maintained. Just not to YOUR standards.
 
They didn’t know the door would open back up. They believed they had fixed the issue but obviously that was not the case.

Here's a thought: maybe they should have done a test run first. They had to FORCE the door closed at the platform. Any idiot should realize the issue wasn't fixed. There are 0 excuses for this. None.
 
Here's a thought: maybe they should have done a test run first. They had to FORCE the door closed at the platform. Any idiot should realize the issue wasn't fixed. There are 0 excuses for this. None.
Of the door is closed and seems to be working why should they need to do a test run? After the door was opened during the ride they immediately took it offline and put it in the shop.
 
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