Paid parking is coming to WDW resorts March 2018

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If they do that then locals and offsite guests might not be as likely to dine and shop at the resorts. I imagine that they are keeping that in mind.

Yeah that's why I phrased it in my comments as it would hurt their bottom line more to do Day Guests..at least at this time.

 

[Ariel484]

When we were there last June we didn't get an itemized list either. I just emailed guest services with our reservation number and they emailed the itemized statement within a few hours.

Thanks, gonna give this a shot!

And for my September 2017 trip I was e-mailed an itemized list. Now we didn't do any charges to our MB but it broke down all the costs of our resort room rate, etc. It was auto-emailed to me just before 4am on our departure day.

That’s what I was expecting, that I’d wake up and find it in my email on our last day. Wasn’t there.

They've gotten REALLY bad about emailing folio charge receipts. Out of about 10 different stays last year, I only received my email receipt twice. We did have an issue with one charge last May (split stay between two hotels, only one of the folios was actually charged), but just found out about it at the beginning of March (saw 4 different WDW charges on statement and thought that was everything .. didn't have a folio to compare it to). By emailing them, they were able to send me several of the missing folios so that I could compare them against my statements.

Yeah, this is the first trip I can recall where I haven’t gotten one. I actually forgot about it until this morning until I got ah alert that the charge hit my credit card (focused on travel stuff and being sad about leaving all day yesterday).

 

[lucas]

If people actually follow through with there threats and profits go down in the hotels and parks and they see a drop in attendance then they will have bad quarter reporting which can lead to people selling off there stocks which then can cause a mass selloff. Is it likely no because most people won't follow through and will forgive and forget so the odds are your right but if they did then it could. Any decision a public traded company makes can cause in number of problems. Just ask Facebook.

I think people will forgive and forget, People like me will have to have their Disney trip. And, I can't even get an opening for POP Century over Memorial Day.

We've been stockholders for over 30 years. Even if there is drop in park attendance, thank goodness for movies like Black Panther and Star Wars to keep the profits up.

 

[K Gragg]

Perhaps because several posts in the parking threads have indicated that this will be a big benefit to the stockholders, and they wanted to let us know that even as a stockholder, they aren’t happy. Stockholders tend to be into it for the long haul, and don’t appreciate companies alienating their loyal core customers.

I would guess if you were angry and thought it was going to hurt the business you might want to get out before the stock drops

Those that think this affects the stock should exit the markets ASAP. They should stick to mutual funds if that is their line of thinking.

 

[SaharanTea]

Those that think this affects the stock should exit the markets ASAP. They should stick to mutual funds if that is their line of thinking.

Everyone has a ceiling. This probably isn't going to cause any kind of stock problem, but if they keep pushing, they might hit that ceiling for too many. Even a minor blip can cost millions or even billions.

Like Rich said, look at Facebook. They've been playing around with privacy and selling data for years. They pushed just a little too hard. Maybe they recover. Maybe they don't. Myspace never really recovered.

The point being made is that Disney is now grinding against their loyal, core customers. I don't think they've struck quite this nerve before.

 

[K Gragg]

Don't feel FB is a good comparison either. Apples and Oranges...

 

[K Gragg]

Everyone has a ceiling. This probably isn't going to cause any kind of stock problem, but if they keep pushing, they might hit that ceiling for too many. Even a minor blip can cost millions or even billions.

Like Rich said, look at Facebook. They've been playing around with privacy and selling data for years. They pushed just a little too hard. Maybe they recover. Maybe they don't. Myspace never really recovered.

The point being made is that Disney is now grinding against their loyal, core customers. I don't think they've struck quite this nerve before.

You are referring to loyal core customers of Disney World which account for very little of the actual business.

 

[Doug M]

I believe the comparison with FB was meant that if a company runs afoul of its customers then they can run into serious issues. This may not have any short term impact, but it may have lasting effects. Disney has been showing its most loyal customers that they are not as valued and all the while has raised rates and lowered customer service. Eventually their most loyal may move up the road for other options, and they price new customers out of the market. That is a path to a decline.

 

[SaharanTea]

You are referring to loyal core customers of Disney World which account for very little of the actual business.

I don't pretend to know the percentages. We're just talking in hypotheticals anyway. What we do know is that Disney hasn't hit this kind of nerve before.

Every price increase drives off customers. We see it every year as prices go up. There seems to be plenty waiting to take their spots. The question is when does that stream of newbies run out?

Maybe never, but that depends on how fast Disney pushes. This past year they've pushed pretty darn hard.

 

[Jeff Laughlin]

You are referring to loyal core customers of Disney World which account for very little of the actual business.

I don't know, DVC seems to be taking over the resort slowly. But then again, I guess they don't have to worry about them leaving over this

 

[DisFanDad]

I don't know, DVC seems to be taking over the resort slowly. But then again, I guess they don't have to worry about them leaving over this

But they do. We are DVC members. Cancelled a cash trip, generally we bookend our DVC stays with a Cash stay for a night or two or three. Won't be doing it anymore. Indeed, now really thinking about doing a couple nights at Universal. Its funny I can't really point to ONE thing that pushed us this way, the parking thing might just be the last straw. The general trend has been making us a little more wary of Disney, massive cash grabs and price increases. But, the parking thing, just seems to have really hit the nerve. So, we are speaking with our wallets now. Still doing the same DVC trips we planned, but even then I can see us taking money off property. Once you reconcile yourself with popping the bubble, suddenly there are a lot more options. Dining off site, driving for groceries, a day or two at the beach instead of in the parks. Literally, I can't explain how much our outlooks have shifted in the last week or two about upcoming vacations. But I can tell you this, its going to cost WDW money. Money we have always, and would have always, been funneling into them.

 

[Candlelady]

I don't know, DVC seems to be taking over the resort slowly. But then again, I guess they don't have to worry about them leaving over this

Disney might not have to worry about us leaving, but that doesn't mean we like it. Disney has stopped making us feel like 'guests'. If Disney is not careful they may end up with many members who only use DVC for lodging. The Magic is definitely tarnished. We, like DisFanDad, stay on cash and then move to DVC. More and more of our time and vacation dollars are spent outside of Disney. We're thinking about Universal, the beach, etc..

I purchased a bunch of AP's 4 yrs ago and when they are done we are not sure if we will be doing the parks every year. We'll still use our DVC, but everything else will be offsite. Already looking offsite for the few days prior to our fall trip.

 

[lucas]

I believe the comparison with FB was meant that if a company runs afoul of its customers then they can run into serious issues. This may not have any short term impact, but it may have lasting effects. Disney has been showing its most loyal customers that they are not as valued and all the while has raised rates and lowered customer service. Eventually their most loyal may move up the road for other options, and they price new customers out of the market. That is a path to a decline.

As a stockholder, FL resident and Disney lover, I am not interested in what is up the road. Universal, nah. Not for me. And, I have stayed off property a couple of times in the past. It is not the same thing. There is a disconnect driving into WDW thru outside traffic (park hopping and then having to wind up where the car is). Taking off property transportation is even worse than WDW buses. Then when you leave, and get involved in outside traffic and the real world, it is just not enjoyable (to me).

Now, I do have to say that we have given up on DCL after 13 cruises with them. We are way priced out. Not worth it. Especially since we live in the Fort Lauderdale area and can easily hop on other cruise ships. We can go on about 3 cruises for the price of 1 DCL cruise. But, somehow, people do cruise with DCL and I guess they can afford it. I really don't get it. But, as a stockholder I guess I am glad.

 

[Rickat96]

As a stockholder, FL resident and Disney lover, I am not interested in what is up the road. Universal, nah. Not for me. And, I have stayed off property a couple of times in the past. It is not the same thing. There is a disconnect driving into WDW thru outside traffic (park hopping and then having to wind up where the car is). Taking off property transportation is even worse than WDW buses. Then when you leave, and get involved in outside traffic and the real world, it is just not enjoyable (to me).

Now, I do have to say that we have given up on DCL after 13 cruises with them. We are way priced out. Not worth it. Especially since we live in the Fort Lauderdale area and can easily hop on other cruise ships. We can go on about 3 cruises for the price of 1 DCL cruise. But, somehow, people do cruise with DCL and I guess they can afford it. I really don't get it. But, as a stockholder I guess I am glad.

The nickel and dime or increasing revenue does nothing for the stock. DIS has not been under 90 bucks in the last 52 weeks and unless your buying large parcels at a time, you wont see much of a gain. The money grab is tied to executive bonus-period. And by moving consumer products to the parks now will mask that merchandise is underperforming when quarterlies are reported.

If we see a split-that would make a new conversation, but that hasn't happened in 18 years.

 

[lucas]

The nickel and dime or increasing revenue does nothing for the stock. DIS has not been under 90 bucks in the last 52 weeks and unless your buying large parcels at a time, you wont see much of a gain. The money grab is tied to executive bonus-period. And by moving consumer products to the parks now will mask that merchandise is underperforming when quarterlies are reported.

If we see a split-that would make a new conversation, but that hasn't happened in 18 years.

I didn't say it did.

Luckily (I guess?) we bought our stock over 30 years ago. When we 1st got it, in the old days, I believe the stock split a couple of times.

 

[Aron1012]

As a stockholder, FL resident and Disney lover, I am not interested in what is up the road. Universal, nah. Not for me. And, I have stayed off property a couple of times in the past. It is not the same thing. There is a disconnect driving into WDW thru outside traffic (park hopping and then having to wind up where the car is). Taking off property transportation is even worse than WDW buses. Then when you leave, and get involved in outside traffic and the real world, it is just not enjoyable (to me).

In the past I would have agreed with your statement, but I don't know that is still the case. Our last few trips we have used Lyft extensively when on-property and found it to be much more pleasant. When Disney tells you to budget 1-1.5 hrs for bus travel <12 miles.......how much worse can it really get?

We're DVC so this change doesn't affect us, and yet I have done more research on Sea World, Universal, and frankly others destinations in general than any point in last 5 years. We will still visit WDW, but as we keep getting less while paying more I am likely to spread our funds around a little.

 

[Best_Vacation_EVER!]

We received a call from one of the reps for the senior execs... but have not returned it.... I honestly think we may be too far gone from change to have it matter --- which has made us think that by us paying for another long distance call where no one really cares is nothing more than another waste of time that costs us money and/or time. In our past few trips we've paid for After Hours, Special events, Dessert Parties, extra events, brunches, etc... and I think that WDW doesn't care a whit! It's all more profit for them without the annoying human interaction.

 

[Rich M]

We received a call from one of the reps for the senior execs... but have not returned it.... I honestly think we may be too far gone from change to have it matter --- which has made us think that by us paying for another long distance call. QUOTE]

Do people still pay for long distance calls?

 

[Best_Vacation_EVER!]

Yes... we're not US guests so we still have to pay (don't do Skype or online calls as we're still not willing to give up on individual privacy) so yeah... we don't love to pay for international calls with complete futile prospects...

 

[runwad]

People who only have landlines (yes there are still some) still have to pay for long distance.