Disney Skyliner (Gondola Transportation System) Read Post 1 Now Open!

But they aren't requiring them to pay. They have equal access to all the transportation, if they choose not to utilize those then that is their choice. They have the means to use all free transport as well. The reasonable accommodations are indeed there. They also have the added accommodations of access to taxis, and Minnie vans. It's not going to hurt Disney's bottom line, in fact, access to the gondolas is probably going to help it. Adding the gondolas adds more choice of preferred transport from one's hotel and from the specific gondola parks. Part of your picking a hotel at Disney has always included looking at what transport is offered where and when. This is no different.

You might as well say that people in wheelchairs have access to stairs and they are choosing not to use them. People with a crippling fear of heights or small enclosed spaces are not just choosing to be difficult or stubborn. They literally cannot fathom getting on that vehicle and will be needing reasonable accommodation.
 
Sure they can - there are other options (for values you still have all the all stars)

And for the 5% people that refuse to ride in gondolas but insist on staying at a location that uses gondolas as a form of transportation there are MinnieVans

By this logic, Disney should not need to have ECV-accessible buses, since those people could rent a wheelchair-accessible private van. You seriously think that Disney is going to arbitrarily decide that one of the most common mental conditions among humans is the only one they will not accommodate in their resort?
 
Gondola hotels represent almost 1/4 of on property rooms (and even higher percentage of their value/moderate options). Disney can't tell 5% of their guests that 25% of their rooms are off limits any more than they can tell their other special needs guests to either suck it up and wait in line or go to another theme park.
Where do you keep getting all of these percentages?
 
By this logic, Disney should not need to have ECV-accessible buses, since those people could rent a wheelchair-accessible private van. You seriously think that Disney is going to arbitrarily decide that one of the most common mental conditions among humans is the only one they will not accommodate in their resort?
I see this is hard for you to understand but yes. No one is going to force you to stay at a Skyliner resort. It’s your choice if you do. If you don’t look into transportation at your resort before booking that’s your fault not Disney’s.
 


Gondola hotels represent almost 1/4 of on property rooms (and even higher percentage of their value/moderate options). Disney can't tell 5% of their guests that 25% of their rooms are off limits any more than they can tell their other special needs guests to either suck it up and wait in line or go to another theme park.
There’s no federal law requiring Disney to accommodate people afraid of heights. It’s an apples to oranges comparison.

There’s still alternate options in that price range if you’d like to not ride a gondola. Coronado, all stars, port orleans, are all available. It’s up to the guest to make that call
 


You might as well say that people in wheelchairs have access to stairs and they are choosing not to use them. People with a crippling fear of heights or small enclosed spaces are not just choosing to be difficult or stubborn. They literally cannot fathom getting on that vehicle and will be needing reasonable accommodation.
What is your source that 5% of people have "a crippling fear of heights or small enclosed spaces"? A "crippling" fear of heights would be clinical acrophobia, which is different than a "significant" fear of heights. And from what I've found online, claustrophobia may be triggered by small dark spaces with no outside windows and minimal air circulation, which does not describe a gondola cabin.

And do you have a reliable source that the cabins will be traveling 75 feet (7 stories) above the ground? Bear in mind that it looks like the floor of the cabin will be 10-20 feet or so below the tops of the pylons. It's difficult to judge height of a tall object from a photo unless it's right next to an object of known height, or between two objects of known similar heights.

For the record, I'm of the opinion that Disney probably will provide alternative bus service, but infrequently (like every 20-30 minutes) and not necessarily quick & efficient. For example, they might have a single route stopping at all 4 resorts, or they might have service only to DHS with a transfer required to Epcot.
 
I see this is hard for you to understand but yes. No one is going to force you to stay at a Skyliner resort. It’s your choice if you do. If you don’t look into transportation at your resort before booking that’s your fault not Disney’s.

Not sure if you are trying to be condescending, but this isn't a matter of "understanding" anything. It is a matter of Disney not being allowed to discriminate against people with disabilities. Just like you can't have entire hotels that lack accommodation for wheelchairs.
 
Not sure if you are trying to be condescending, but this isn't a matter of "understanding" anything. It is a matter of Disney not being allowed to discriminate against people with disabilities. Just like you can't have entire hotels that lack accommodation for wheelchairs.
How are they discriminating?

You keep bringing up all these statistics that frankly you could have made up.

These hotels are not discriminating. You have the option to take the Skyliner or use another route to get to these places.
 
There’s no federal law requiring Disney to accommodate people afraid of heights. It’s an apples to oranges comparison.

There’s still alternate options in that price range if you’d like to not ride a gondola. Coronado, all stars, port orleans, are all available. It’s up to the guest to make that call
Acrophobia is a condition recognized by federal courts as covered by the ADA, so you are wrong about that.
 
How are they discriminating?

You keep bringing up all these statistics that frankly you could have made up.

These hotels are not discriminating. You have the option to take the Skyliner or use another route to get to these places.
They will have to have the buses available as alternative transport. And not some sort of "every 2 hours" option, because that would be discrimination.
 
How are they discriminating?

You keep bringing up all these statistics that frankly you could have made up.

These hotels are not discriminating. You have the option to take the Skyliner or use another route to get to these places.
What statistics am I making up? I am being conservative with the epidemiology here. Lifetime rates are high: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5037147/. As for the hotel rooms, estimating the gondola resorts account for 7K rooms, and Disney has 30K rooms, you are looking at 23% of their rooms. Not sure why people are so emotionally wrapped up in the idea that Disney MUST replace all buses with that gondola. But it's just not going to happen. Sorry.
 
They will have to have the buses available as alternative transport. And not some sort of "every 2 hours" option, because that would be discrimination.
In what way is it discrimination?

I know I am walking a fine line here but a fear of heights or a fear of anything is not a disability. People are afraid of alligators but still travel to WDW. People are afraid of bugs, etc.

Disney does not "have to have" buses available. Disney doesn't have to built new attractions or resorts but they do.
 
What statistics am I making up? I am being conservative with the epidemiology here. Lifetime rates are high: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5037147/. As for the hotel rooms, estimating the gondola resorts account for 7K rooms, and Disney has 30K rooms, you are looking at 23% of their rooms. Not sure why people are so emotionally wrapped up in the idea that Disney MUST replace all buses with that gondola. But it's just not going to happen. Sorry.
Nobody here said Disney MUST replace buses. I am saying they ARE doing it. Its not that hard to understand. Same concept as the monorail. They don't have a bus from monorail resorts to MK.
 
Disney won't be legally required to have an alternative to the Gondolas anymore than ski resorts aren't required to have alternatives. And they aren't spending all this money on Gondolas only to keep full bus services running. The busses will be cut, the same as they don't run busses for Resorts with boat transportation.
 
Disney won't be legally required to have an alternative to the Gondolas anymore than ski resorts aren't required to have alternatives. And they aren't spending all this money on Gondolas only to keep full bus services running. The busses will be cut, the same as they don't run busses for Resorts with boat transportation.
You do not understand the legal interpretations applicable to the ADA. Caselaw says that you are factually mistaken.
 
What statistics am I making up? I am being conservative with the epidemiology here. Lifetime rates are high: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5037147/. As for the hotel rooms, estimating the gondola resorts account for 7K rooms, and Disney has 30K rooms, you are looking at 23% of their rooms. Not sure why people are so emotionally wrapped up in the idea that Disney MUST replace all buses with that gondola. But it's just not going to happen. Sorry.

I think you are projecting in this conversation. Personally I think they run busses across multiple resorts once or twice an hour as an alternative. Like Fort Wilderness to Wilderness Lodge to MK bus route if you don't want to take the boat. That's not discriminatory of people afraid of boats, but it is less convenient and slower. I, personally, do not like heights. I don't really like gondolas. The sway and bob when they go over towers makes me uncomfortable. But I ride them occasionally for sightseeing and I'm sure I will try out the Disney ones. That being said, I have no desire to stay at a Gondola resort and would have the half a brain required not to book one just for this reason. Being afraid of heights, and being diagnosed that way, is not one size fits all. Many people have shades of fear and while they don't like heights, will have little or no problem on gondolas 20 or 30 feet high. Again, as an example, I have no problem with the monorails.

I think Disney will be well covered legally. It's like taxis. Not all taxis have to be handicap accessible. So sometimes, if you need a handicap taxi, you wait longer. This is a problem in big cities, where the wait can be excessive, but courts have generally ruled in favor of providing an option, but not an equal option, in these cases. Disney will be able to easily argue there are options, even if they are not equal. Especially with other value, moderate, and deluxe resorts that do not use the gondola system. There are plenty of alternatives when WDW, as a whole, is taken under consideration. That will be plenty to meet the requirements of the law.

As for public perception, it is possible people will make a stink and Disney may not want that. But overall, the job Disney does making rides and the resort handicap accessible will be very favorable. The Parks are very accessible to all individuals, and rides that cause problems, like 20,000 Leagues, have been phased out over the years.

Unfortunately for your argument, Disney is not required to provide rides that are friendly to people afraid of heights. There is no "non-drop" alternative to Splash Mountain for example. If you choose to go on the ride, you choose to face that fear. Courts will likely look the same at the portion of hotels that are on the gondola circuit. If you choose to stay at them, as opposed to staying at a non-gondola option, you have chosen to face that fear given knowledge of acceptable alternatives. That is not something Disney is responsible for, under the law. People can try and win in the court of public opinion, but given Disney's historic high standing, that will be extremely difficult.
 

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