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The op explained what she thought the changes were. Something that was in the packet.

He gave them a packet but didn’t include the two sentences that would have explained a lot? And adding two sentences would be spoon feeding? Ok.

At those ages, I didn’t ask coaches anything. But they were very forthcoming with information.

You are clearly missing the point. It isn't about the adding 2 sentences. It is about the parents expecting to be given every single detail instead of actually asking the necessary questions.
At some of those ages I would expect the kids to ask their coaches about anything they wanted to know, and for the younger ones I'd expect the parents too. Since you would have never asked at any of those ages it isn't surprising you think the coach should have given every detail i.e- spoon fed.
 
You are clearly missing the point. It isn't about the adding 2 sentences. It is about the parents expecting to be given every single detail instead of actually asking the necessary questions.
At some of those ages I would expect the kids to ask their coaches about anything they wanted to know, and for the younger ones I'd expect the parents too. Since you would have never asked at any of those ages it isn't surprising you think the coach should have given every detail i.e- spoon fed.

I guess we lucky enough that our coaches realized that information was necessary. But I don’t see it “as every single detail” either.

At 17, all of them were capable of talking to their own coaches.

I explained a situation earlier with the choir director. He learned to communicate better. But his lesson came from talking to his students not the parents.
 
I guess we lucky enough that our coaches realized that information was necessary. But I don’t see it “as every single detail” either.

At 17, all of them were capable of talking to their own coaches.
1) Giving the information was NOT necessary.
2) If they're capable of talking to their own coaches, they could have asked questions.

You're making excuses why the boys the boys got cut. There's only one reason... the coach didn't see what he wanted to see from them. That's not the coaches fault, not even slightly.
 
1) Giving the information was NOT necessary.
2) If they're capable of talking to their own coaches, they could have asked questions.

You're making excuses why the boys the boys got cut. There's only one reason... the coach didn't see what he wanted to see from them. That's not the coaches fault, not even slightly.

You say that like you were there and know these people personally. You don’t know that 100%.

And again, whether the information was necessary is you opinion.

And.yes they could have asked. It’s a little harder with new coaches because there are some coaches out there that do not like to be asked questions. IME, this is especially true of young, new, first year coaches.

I have said numerous times, if they didn’t give the try out 100%, they were wrong and that is most likely why they were cut. Never denied that. But I ALSO think the coach should have given the information. Not so theyvwould try out better but so they would have realized going in what could happen.
 
You say that like you were there and know these people personally. You don’t know that 100%.

And again, whether the information was necessary is you opinion.

And.yes they could have asked. It’s a little harder with new coaches because there are some coaches out there that do not like to be asked questions. IME, this is especially true of young, new, first year coaches.

I have said numerous times, if they didn’t give the try out 100%, they were wrong and that is most likely why they were cut. Never denied that. But I ALSO think the coach should have given the information. Not so theyvwould try out better but so they would have realized going in what could happen.
There are how many tens of thousands of sports teams tryouts across the country every year? How many of those do the coaches say "your spot is not guaranteed"? If you feel it's necessary in this instance, then you must think it's necessary in every instance.

And again, if 17yos who have been playing the sport for a decade don't realize "what could happen" when trying out for a new coach, I'm not sure they're the best for the team anyway.
 
I think the team should replace the coach with luvsjack and Sam Gordon .Then all of the problems would be solved
 
There are how many tens of thousands of sports teams tryouts across the country every year? How many of those do the coaches say "your spot is not guaranteed"? If you feel it's necessary in this instance, then you must think it's necessary in every instance.

And again, if 17yos who have been playing the sport for a decade don't realize "what could happen" when trying out for a new coach, I'm not sure they're the best for the team anyway.

Oh begeebees. I never said he should say that. I said he should have informed them that there would be less spots and that something that apparently has been the way of doing things would no longer be done. I never said their spot should have been guaranteed.

Ds tried out for numerous coaches. New coaches, returning coaches, whatever. If ANY of them were making changes, they informed the players or the parents or both.
 
I have mostly read just OP's comments so only really speaking to that. My kids did recreational and club sports, high school sports (both varsity the entire time) and college sports. This was our world and I know many. I am a bit confused, you speak as this is a club sport BUT you spoke of the kid returning and needing to establish residency ... which sounds like a school sport. But if a college kid is allowed on the team it must be club ........

That aside, sometimes new coaches are brought in to shake up and change the system. Much easier to do with someone new. If you say you have 1/3 of your team seniors .... then what will next year's team look like after they leave ... not only 1/3 gone but none trained to replace them at that level. Could it be they were being lax in keeping boys together rather than looking forward for the strongest team year after year for the long term? I knew a club soccer team that was a National Champion. They all stuck together every year and then BAM, that club had no good teams because all their focus was on 20 boys and 1 coach. The program crashed and burned. National Championship teams are club feathers and best draw you can have for future members. But you have to look at the health of the entire program across all teams. And a real competitive team has tryouts EVERY year and no one is safe. Gosh in some sports even an entire team can lose their position if another team plays better than them on the ladder.

BUT I totally disagree with the kid moving back given exception. He's been gone 3 years, he might not do well with the group. That would be my big complaint ... make him tryout on even scale.

My DS is a high school coach in a sport where you could lose your varsity status from one week to the next. You don't perform and someone beats you, be ready to bump down to JV. Most coaches have full discretion on competitive teams. My DS currently has 160 kids on his team .......... even including his top varsity kids, odds are any given year NONE of them will go on to play in college. He has had some, one is so good they are now professional and training for olympics. His goal is for the team to be successful and compete at State each year. He has done a great job at that part. But I always say his main job is to teach sportsmanship, teamwork, responsibility, work ethic and good health.

I get it, my kids were highly involved in sports .... but in the end it's their performance that determines their destiny no matter how much we spend, we support and we participate. Every moment they must do their best to maintain their position - because there is always someone working hard to take it. It's LIFE!

I have one family member whose family spent a small fortune on their sport, they committed a major part of their time and ALL the kids time to the sport, they actually were good, they went through a small nice college for free and then participated a short time in professional sports until injured and done for good. We can look at the money spent was just a prepayment of their college degree. Maybe they broke even financially.

I know others who also spent small fortunes on their sport, committing major part of their family's life to the sport, they were good but not next level good, didn't get offers, ended up competing at small college (not good team) but not with the advantage of big scholarships, and at graduating done playing. So it kept them busy, helped make friends, gave them something to enjoy .... but all the money, time spent .......... did not come back to them. That money was a loss financially.

Do sports because they LOVE the sport no matter what! Success comes on many levels. If the kids who are changing teams are not happy with where their tryout landed them and they won't love what they are doing anymore, maybe it is time to stop and start the transition to what will come after high school.



As a former youth sports board member I need more information.
Is there a Board that oversees this league?
Are there bylaws?
Is there an overseeing national organization?
What do the national and local bylaws say on this?

In my experience, the national oversight organization sets most of the basic rules. The Board of Directors enforces, and modifies the local bylaws and selects coaches.
Some of the travel teams in various sports here seem to have much looser governance than they more organized associations.

And from past youth sports posts on these boards I gather the hierarchy varies in different regions of the U.S. Here the High School programs are dominate, the other sports programs secondary. High School coaches can suggest....but not require.....their players to play in certain programs outside of the school programs. My son played High School Baseball, his coach wanted his players to play in American Legion baseball in the summer, not Cal Ripken or Little League, and in a specific Winter league. But ALL those outside programs were strictly regulated by local boards and a national set of bylaws.

In reverse:

Things do run different ways in different places. Here, most high school sports are not at all what college coaches look at or have first word in athletes training/performance. High School teams are pride only, club teams are what matters. And yes, those are under the rules of the national but not when it comes to how they run their clubs.

But I do agree if this is a club sport (which I am kinda confused on when she spoke of residency) there would be a Board and/or Owners and operational decisions are not made by coaches.

Actually, it sounds pretty clear that it was communicated the tryouts would be handled differently, the teams would not be the same as previous years'. However, there seems to be some misinterpretation of what that meant. If it was unclear, or the athletes wanted a better understanding of what was required, questions should have been asked in advance. I know of no coach who would refuse to have a discussion with a young athlete who approached the coach directly and privately to ask a question for clarification.

Coach took 10% of those trying out for the premier team. That means 120 people tried out, putting 12 members on the premier team. The rest were put onto 9 lower teams (presumably 12 on each). Maybe there were fewer kids trying out this year than last; maybe some kids didn't come back this year. Maybe fewer new kids joined up. With multiple teams all coming from the same club and such a broad distance for any other options to participate, there may have been minimum number requirements for each team, therefore fewer trying out means fewer on each team.

Sorry, but you made some assumptions that a senior would automatically be put on the elite team. Whether directly or indirectly, you likely validated that assumption with your child. I get it; I was cut from a high school team my senior year -- completely cut, not just put back to JV. I'd played for 6 years and was looking forward to my senior year. Did it hurt and was I mad? Absolutely. But it happened. I took the opportunity to do something different, learn something new. If your child is really that upset about the situation, he/she should opt-out now out of consideration for the others on the team. Give something else a try. Or stick it out and become a leader of the new team. Good luck!

ALL so well said and concise.
 
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I guess we lucky enough that our coaches realized that information was necessary. But I don’t see it “as every single detail” either.

At 17, all of them were capable of talking to their own coaches.

I explained a situation earlier with the choir director. He learned to communicate better. But his lesson came from talking to his students not the parents.

In the OP's scenario they are upset that they didn't get every detail though.
I have no doubt that as a young, new coach his communication skills may not be great or polished, or just not what these parent were used to with the previous coach, however I don't think that means that players and parents don't have a responsibility to get the information they need (or want). I see the OP blaming the coach, but all he did was change things, it was the parents and players who assumed things and didn't bother to actually inquire about the exact way these "changes" would be implemented. Sorry, I see this as a personal responsibility lesson. A new coach, and you know there are going to be changes, yet you expect the same thing as far as seniority on a team and that they could give less effort at try-outs because they were guaranteed a spot? Sorry, that is totally on you, not the new coach.
 
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In the OP's scenario they are upset that they didn't get every detail though.
I have no doubt that as a young, new coach his communication skills may not be great or polished, or just not what these parent were used to with the previous coach, however I don't think that means that players and parents don't have a responsibility to get the information they need (or want). I see the OP blaming the coach, but all he did was change things, it was the parents and players who assumed things and didn't bother to actually inquire about the exact way these "changes" would be implemented. Sorry, I see this as a personal responsibility lesson. A new coach, and you know there are going to be changes, yet you expect the same thing as far as seniority on a team and that they could give less effort at try-outs because they were guaranteed a spot? Sorry, that is totally on you, not the new coach.

Personally I don’t like the preference to seniority as it can keep a team from progressing well but if it has been the habit or tradition of the team then that is just a change that I feel should be vocalized.

It has nothing to do with less effort. The boys are at fault for that.
 
Personally I don’t like the preference to seniority as it can keep a team from progressing well but if it has been the habit or tradition of the team then that is just a change that I feel should be vocalized.

It has nothing to do with less effort. The boys are at fault for that.

It was the habit and tradition under the old coach, and the new coach "vocalized" that try-outs would be handled differently and teams would look different (not sure if that is a direct quote of the OP but it was something to that effect).
At this point we are just going around in circles, we see things differently and that is OK.
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. BUT do you know going in to try outs each year what the possibilities are? That is the difference here.

There is a HUGE area between being a bit aggravated about a lack of communication and being a bad sport and pouting.
Nope, no idea what the possibilities are. Over 1,000 young men and women across 5+ locations go through assessments; no tryouts because everyone makes a team. After the coaches see what they have to work with they then form practice groups based on a general idea of what teams may look like. The children then practice together for another couple of months while the coaches move the children around to best fit the different needs of potential teams. A child may actually be assigned to several levels of practices to see where they fit in best, so they have no idea where they will eventually be placed. They could practice with the Worlds group and also practice with a lower group, especially if they are really strong in one area but may not be as strong somewhere else. It is a giant puzzle for the coaches because you don't want different locations to be competing in the same division and you want to maximize each child's strengths for a certain team.

There is no guarantee of placement level or team placement. There is no guarantee that the same teams from previous seasons will even be fielded. I mentioned before that our gym fielded a large Worlds team for numerous years. This year, they decided to just take the members with the strongest overall skills and field a small team. That meant that almost half the athletes that had been on a world's team for years were dropped to a lower level. Were people surprised? Absolutely. But there are never guarantees on the team you will be placed on. The children learn this from the day they start on a mini team.

Selection by ability, not length of time, seems to be the norms of team selection for every sport my children have played. Each year, the skills of the athletes are evaluated and if someone with better all around skills shows up you may not be on the team you have always played on. There are no exceptions for seniors or length of time on teams, only how the abilities of the athletes mesh with the other athletes on the team to form the most competitive team. This has been the norm for football, basketball, lacrosse, swimming, softball, cheer, baseball, and soccer.
 
Nope, no idea what the possibilities are. Over 1,000 young men and women across 5+ locations go through assessments; no tryouts because everyone makes a team. After the coaches see what they have to work with they then form practice groups based on a general idea of what teams may look like. The children then practice together for another couple of months while the coaches move the children around to best fit the different needs of potential teams. A child may actually be assigned to several levels of practices to see where they fit in best, so they have no idea where they will eventually be placed. They could practice with the Worlds group and also practice with a lower group, especially if they are really strong in one area but may not be as strong somewhere else. It is a giant puzzle for the coaches because you don't want different locations to be competing in the same division and you want to maximize each child's strengths for a certain team.

There is no guarantee of placement level or team placement. There is no guarantee that the same teams from previous seasons will even be fielded. I mentioned before that our gym fielded a large Worlds team for numerous years. This year, they decided to just take the members with the strongest overall skills and field a small team. That meant that almost half the athletes that had been on a world's team for years were dropped to a lower level. Were people surprised? Absolutely. But there are never guarantees on the team you will be placed on. The children learn this from the day they start on a mini team.

Selection by ability, not length of time, seems to be the norms of team selection for every sport my children have played. Each year, the skills of the athletes are evaluated and if someone with better all around skills shows up you may not be on the team you have always played on. There are no exceptions for seniors or length of time on teams, only how the abilities of the athletes mesh with the other athletes on the team to form the most competitive team. This has been the norm for football, basketball, lacrosse, swimming, softball, cheer, baseball, and soccer.

So you know none of that when your kid shows up at try outs? See you are saying you don’t know but in fact you do. You KNOW that it doesn’t matter what they have done before. You KNOW they may be dropped to a lower level.

HS teams are the only ones that we have experienced with seniority. They tried out freshman and sophomore years and not after that.

Regular season teams in the 9-14 ages, they tried out once and played on that tram for two years. Tournament, all stars, elite teams were chosen each year and no guarantees. But we knew that beforehand.
 
Sometimes, too, players may be chosen because they have the skills needed by that particular team. For example, a team's catcher graduates, so that team now needs a catcher. Someone who catches may make the team whereas someone who doesn't catch, but is also skilled, may not; there could be a surplus of infielders, say.

I just wanted to get back to this:

Things do run different ways in different places. Here, most high school sports are not at all what college coaches look at or have first word in athletes training/performance. High School teams are pride only, club teams are what matters. And yes, those are under the rules of the national but not when it comes to how they run their clubs.
This is a point that has been hotly debated on many of these threads in the past! :duck:
 
I just wanted to get back to this:


This is a point that has been hotly debated on many of these threads in the past! :duck:

I have no idea, this is the first time I have posted in a "sports" thread that I recall. I was only stating what is the case in our metropolitan area. It's not really a debate here, it's fact. Some sports NO college even cares about your high school team, they will 9 times out of 10 go observe you in the club setting at a tournament.

High School teams that matter:
- Football (athletes still submit video to colleges in lieu of observing except for some State colleges)
- Track (nationally posted times, observing at State or elite meets)
- Cross Country (nationally posted times, observing at State or elite meets)
- Wrestling
- Lacrosse, since it's a fairly new sport and clubs in growth stage, likely a bit of both
Even some of the above get private training and do some offseason club work.

When kids have their scholarship signings, they do it at the school with the school coaches, the club coaches and administration .... a few even do their signings at home with just their club coaches (disrespectful but seen it).

All other sports your club team is what matters most and getting to tournaments to be seen. Many high school coaches have problems with kids not coming to practices and major competitions because club coach pulls them.

At schools in our area; a tennis or golf coach is basically in name only to book some competition and go with them. Many know nothing about the sports. They don't practice together as these kids play as individuals at country or sport clubs and with private coaches.


SO SORRY, I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I have no interest in debating it. As I said in our area there is no debate ... it is what it is. I have kids who have competed at all levels, surrounded by many and now DS is a coach. Just contributing from that POV to OP.
 
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I have no idea, this is the first time I have posted in a "sports" thread that I recall. I was only stating what is the case in our metropolitan area. It's not really a debate here, it's fact. Some sports NO college even cares about your high school team, they will 9 times out of 10 go observe you in the club setting at a tournament.

High School teams that matter:
- Football (athletes still submit video to colleges in lieu of observing except for some State colleges)
- Track (nationally posted times, observing at State or elite meets)
- Cross Country (nationally posted times, observing at State or elite meets)
- Wrestling
- Lacrosse, since it's a fairly new sport and clubs in growth stage, likely a bit of both
Even some of the above get private training and do some offseason club work.

When kids have their scholarship signings, they do it at the school with the school coaches, the club coaches and administration .... a few even do their signings at home with just their club coaches (disrespectful but seen it).

All other sports your club team is what matters most and getting to tournaments to be seen. Many high school coaches have problems with kids not coming to practices and major competitions because club coach pulls them.

At schools in our area; a tennis or golf coach is basically in name only to book some competition and go with them. Many know nothing about the sports. They don't practice together as these kids play as individuals at country or sport clubs and with private coaches.


SO SORRY, I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I have no interest in debating it. As I said in our area there is no debate ... it is what it is.

You can add baseball to that list. At least here.

The colleges come to the high schools here to see the players. Some players that earn scholarships do not play on any other teams. Others that play every kind of team out there do not even get looked at.

I went to my step grandson’s baseball game this past season. They had one senior on the team and 3 colleges were there to see him and some boys in the other teams.
 
You can add baseball to that list. At least here.

The colleges come to the high schools here to see the players. Some players that earn scholarships do not play on any other teams. Others that play every kind of team out there do not even get looked at.

I went to my step grandson’s baseball game this past season. They had one senior on the team and 3 colleges were there to see him and some boys in the other teams.

Baseball here ... you might get looked at if you get to the end brackets of the State Tournament but most is addressed by club tournaments where they can see many. Know someone from here that is in majors. He played club ball and HS ball and recruited at 17. Kids play on a summer team, a fall team and then high school team.

Our small town has 14 dedicated ball fields used mostly by club (one park is ALL club) and currently building another 10 fields dedicated to baseball. This doesn't count the flex fields they have that can host soccer, lacrosse and younger team baseball. Non-school baseball teams have more dedicated space than any other sport in our town. And this is replicated all around here.
 
OK, after thought and some checking, assuming that this *is* a Synchro skating team (and her comments point to it), I think it is a different scenario than I first guessed. (And yes, I'm having fun guessing, but Synchro is an unusual sport that doesn't operate with the same type of selection process that most team youth sports do, so with Synchro the usual youth sport expectations don't quite apply. Besides, the more people who hear about Synchronized Skating, the better, because it is a really fun thing to watch, and a great option for skaters who will not be individual champions. BTW, while Synchro is a mostly-female sport, it is fully open to male participants; we just don't get that many at this point. That will almost certainly change if the sport is added to the Olympics for 2022; that decision will be made by the IOC this month.)

In Synchro skating, the usual difference between a club team and a rec team is kind of mushy. Most of the time the rinks are owned by a local government, but the team skating programs are run by private clubs that are home-based at that rink. The club's coaches may or may not also be local gov't employees, and the club provides coaches for the public learn-to-skate programs that the rink hosts. Most kids who go through the learn-to-skate programs and want to go higher then join the club in order to compete. The club has a contract to pay for ice time for members, which insures that the local govt. has a steady stream of income to help with maintenance costs. FWIW, high-level Synchro is an expensive sport to run; our club fields 7 teams (3 of which are national-level), and the program budget is well above $100K. Each national-level skater's annual team fees are about $5K, which includes competition costumes, team ice time, travel expenses (except food, with is paid separately), and team coaching, including special workshops. It does not include skates (which are at least $300/pr), practice or travel uniforms, private practice ice time (minimum 3 hours per week, at about $10/hr), testing fees, dance classes, or private coaching, which is at least $60/hr, and the team requires skaters to have at least a lesson a week.) The extra individual costs usually run an additional $2K per season for each skater. (USFSA and clubs do fund grants to help pay for skating for kids who are talented but don't have the family money to compete.) There is no NCAA figure skating program, so no athletic scholarships; college teams are almost all club teams, though there are a few colleges that fund varsity teams. The season runs from October to April; the average team will compete about 6-8 times per season. Tryouts are normally in April, and the competitive standard is that every team member must try out every year, there are no bye-spots. Practice begins immediately after acceptance of offers in May, but doesn't go to full schedule until August. Regional-only teams will normally practice 1-2 hours per week, nationally competitive teams will practice anywhere from 6-20 hours per week, depending on level.

Here is an example scenario that fits the OP's question. I don't know if this is the program the OP was posting about, but it might be: there is a program in the South that is currently on a big push to go from what was a essentially a very good-quality rec team to a national competitor. Two clubs consolidated their Synchro programs, then hired a new coach who is quite young, but not quite just out of college; she is about 27 years old. One of the oddities of figure skating (and particularly Synchro) is that you can be in your mid-twenties and have over 10 years of paid coaching experience, which this coach does. (This is because many serious figure skaters often start coaching young children at age 16 to make money to pay for skating expenses. It's very common for them to coach all the way through college, even if they are skating on a competitive team at the same time, because young coaches normally make about $30/hr giving private lessons.) All of her assistant coaches there are quite young as well, some of them still in school.

So, why didn't the other 2 seniors make the top-level team: the most likely reason is that the new coach is trying to take the program to a nationally-competitive level, and has added a higher-level team than the program previously fielded. That team has a higher minimum Moves in the Field test requirement, and it is probable that these two skaters haven't passed it, and are unlikely to pass it before the October 1st deadline for this season, and are thus ineligible. This would definitely fall into the category of something that would have been prepared for if it were known, but if the packet explained that the program was going for national competition levels, then it would have been simple to look up what the USFSA requirements would be in order to make a national-level team in that age range. The thing is, it is only in the past 4 years or so that USFS has gotten really strict about testing for all team levels, it used to be encouraged but not required, and we've had a hard time getting it through to younger skaters that failure to pass the test means that you won't be on the team, even if you can do all the moves in the program. (I'm really not getting the "top 10%" thing. I very much doubt that was a stated objective; it's likely that it just fell out that way.) For the program I mentioned above, the new top-level team has a test requirement that is 3 levels higher that that of their previous top-level team. The tests are required to be taken in sequence, & it is a nearly impossible feat to pass 3 higher MIF tests in less than one year. If these skaters had not already been independently pursuing higher test achievements than were previously required, they simply could not manage the needed preparation in the time available.

About Testing: In figure skating "testing" is a technical term. Tests don't happen at tryouts. Testing is a formal process that all USFSA competitive skaters must go through to prove that they have mastered certain skills & program elements; the test level you have passed determines what competitions you are allowed to enter. For Synchro, each team level (there are 14 levels, and some overlap by age &/or skill) has a minimum test that all team members must have passed to be allowed to be on the team. Skaters can re-test every 28 days, and you can try as many times as you need to to pass, but some of the tests are quite difficult; it is not unusual for a skater to put 20 hours of individual practice in weekly for nearly a year just to prepare for one higher-level test. Synchro teams require the Moves in the Field series of tests, but there are 4 other test series, Freestyle & Pairs (which includes the jumps), and 2 series of Ice Dances; truly elite Synchro skaters test some of all of them except Pairs.)

PS: I am pretty sure that when the OP spoke of residency, she meant state residency for the college that the skater plans to attend, not the skating program. It sounds like she won't be attending college there if she doesn't qualify for in-state tuition, in which case one more slot will open on the team. Her having made the team is a simple matter of ability; if she had the test level and impressed the coach during tryouts, she would have made it fair & square. (It's common for kids who are planning to move to an area to audition for a Synchro team there months before they move. Elite teams draw from all over the country at the upper competition levels, skaters often try out for one of those teams with the plan of attending college in that area only if they make the team.)

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High School teams that matter:
- Football (athletes still submit video to colleges in lieu of observing except for some State colleges)
- Track (nationally posted times, observing at State or elite meets)
- Cross Country (nationally posted times, observing at State or elite meets)
- Wrestling
- Lacrosse, since it's a fairly new sport and clubs in growth stage, likely a bit of both
Even some of the above get private training and do some offseason club work.
Are there even "clubs" for those sports? Around here, the same emphasis is placed on the club team for basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball. I'm sure college coaches go to watch a basketball player at HS, but I'm not sure that would be their first look. They've probably seen these kids play at club tournaments.

Someone ONLY playing HS and getting college offers? EXTREMELY rare around here if it ever happens.
 

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