The Running Thread - 2018

QOTD: Since we finally made it to October, it feels a little more like fall, even if the temps do not agree yet. What is your favorite fall race to run or try to run each year?
ATTQOTD: the Hartford Half Marathon would be mine although this is year 2 in a row that I will be missing it due to being away. The course runs right past my street and incorporates much of my training routes when I run from my house.

the latter would be me! i'm flying in the day before so i'll be running this one blind. any suggestions/tips regarding this race and course?
I am considering the Hartford Full next year (assuming I survive and enjoy my first full marathon in January) for the same reason that the course incorporates most of my training runs when I run from work at lunch - with the exception of the long flat out and back part that @PCFriar80 referenced. Obviously I’ve never done the race but I will say the parts in the city and along the river definitely have a few hills to deal with but once you get into East Hartford it’s pretty flat. On the way back, going back up and over the river on Founders Bridge at mile 26 I’ve heard is a bit of a challenge. Good luck and I’m looking forward to reading your re-cap!! :)
 
Skipping to the end without reading what I missed, sorry. :C

September Miles:
15.09 miles
Ran 7 times

Excluding my starting month, June, that's my lowest mileage yet. I do feel a bit discouraged about that...but I'm reminding myself that the reason for it is that September is my busiest time of year. On top of our substantial social commitments we have every fall, my housemate and I bit off an enormous writing project, plus I invited my parents to come to town for a weekend. I just haven't been out running as often as I would have liked, but there comes a point where trying to fit it in would have cranked up my stress to unendurable levels. I've still got big things coming up in November, so I don't expect October to be a total vacation from the responsibilities I gave myself, but I expect that things will ease up enough after next weekend that I can actually get in my three runs per week in the coming month.

As such, my big Goal for Fall is just to avoid getting injured. I'd also like to get my long run up to 5 miles by Christmas, but if I don't, I don't.
 
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I am considering the Hartford Full next year (assuming I survive and enjoy my first full marathon in January) for the same reason that the course incorporates most of my training runs when I run from work at lunch - with the exception of the long flat out and back part that @PCFriar80 referenced. Obviously I’ve never done the race but I will say the parts in the city and along the river definitely have a few hills to deal with but once you get into East Hartford it’s pretty flat. On the way back, going back up and over the river on Founders Bridge at mile 26 I’ve heard is a bit of a challenge. Good luck and I’m looking forward to reading your re-cap!! :)

Sounds like me about 20 years ago when I worked for a large insurance company [one that had an umbrella, lost the umbrella and then got it back].
Nice 4 - 5 milers at lunch, 1. west to the UConn Law School, 2. east to East Hartford and either back over the Charter Oak Bridge [South] or 3. over the railroad bridge [North of Bulkley Bridge], and the other 4. south to Colt Park.
 


It's a relatively flat course, with the first 12/13 miles taking you through Hartford and E. Hartford. A lot of twists and turns to keep the scenery changing and a nice run along the CT. River. Miles 13 - 21 are somewhat of a challenge being an out and back, 4 miles out and 4 miles back. Can be tedious at this juncture of the race. The finishing 5 are more diverse with the same twists and turns you had doing the first half. Crowd support is very good. Keep an eye on the weather. It can be very warm this time of year or pretty chilly. Headwinds could be a factor too as the northwesterly's tend to pick up this time of year. Good luck and have fun!

ATTQOTD: the Hartford Half Marathon would be mine although this is year 2 in a row that I will be missing it due to being away. The course runs right past my street and incorporates much of my training routes when I run from my house.


I am considering the Hartford Full next year (assuming I survive and enjoy my first full marathon in January) for the same reason that the course incorporates most of my training runs when I run from work at lunch - with the exception of the long flat out and back part that @PCFriar80 referenced. Obviously I’ve never done the race but I will say the parts in the city and along the river definitely have a few hills to deal with but once you get into East Hartford it’s pretty flat. On the way back, going back up and over the river on Founders Bridge at mile 26 I’ve heard is a bit of a challenge. Good luck and I’m looking forward to reading your re-cap!! :)

thanks. the race website has a nice video recap that gives a look at the course. but it's good to have this input as well.

the video touts that out-and-back as a positive in that it's really flat and straight, so if you can get in a good pace, you can make good time on a solid chunk of the course. so that looks promising. i'm a bit more worried about the hills in the downtown to start, those can eat up energy if you hit them too hard. which is easy to do on a race like this. and there a few spots where the course goes onto bike paths that might get congested.

the weather is the key. i've mentioned before i'm planning on a climate "boost" after training all summer in north texas. the current high temperatures out there are cooler than the low temps i'm contending with here. but i'd really love for it to get down to the 50s with no rain on raceday.
 
This is great Scott, really proud of you! It has been a long time coming and this is certainly a big step in the right direction!

September Mileage
Total miles - 152.63 miles
Total Time - 21:15:48
Average Pace - 8:24/mile

Highest mileage since last October, trying to make up for a crap year of training. Probably not enough to have a good race in Chicago but at least I'm not dreading the race anymore. Lots of miles in here with my wife and son, running with them has been a great way for me to get out and just enjoy running again.

Thanks Mike. I have to say, it did feel good to get excited for a race again. It felt good to have those butterflies, and it felt good to go out there and just run hard and leave it all on the course. I may have missed my goal but I know I left it all out there. I am already looking for my next race to sign up for.

QOTD: Since we finally made it to October, it feels a little more like fall, even if the temps do not agree yet. What is your favorite fall race to run or try to run each year?

ATTQOTD: My favorite fall race is in early December called the Baton Rouge Beach Half Marathon. It's at a perfect time in race prep in which allows me to race it and get a good idea of what I should aim for in the marathon.

I didn't have a favorite fall race until yesterday. I do the BAA 10k every year and I think yesterday's race will be my fall go-to race now. It was so awesome.

No favorite fall race.

The Ocean Road 10k happened yesterday in RI - I can last year, and seeing all the race photos yesterday made me want to do it again....maybe next year!

My girlfriend ran that yesterday. She said it was a great race.

Calling all FL residents. I am thinking of doing the Sarasota Music 1/2 Marathon in February. It is mostly along the ocean and they have a lot of live music on the course. Looks really nice. Anyone ever hear of it?
 


September Miles: 106.2
2018 Miles: 849.8


September brought weeks 1 thru 3 of my 18-week marathon training plan (Higdon Intermediate 1). So far, so good! I closed out the month yesterday with a local 10k. The course, new this year, was full of turns (I counted 24 on my Garmin!) So, I didn't consider it PR-able. I went in to the race just planning to run by feel. Well, I must have been feeling pretty good, because I PRed! 1:03:17 60/316 overall and 14/54 in my age group. What?!? I'm supposed to be a middle of the packer!

October brings more marathon training... It also brings my HHN and WDW trip! I am traveling with friends who are not runners, so getting my training runs in will be challenging. I swapped my cut-back week with the week prior so my schedule only calls for 3, 6, or 9 miles at a time. I will do my best to get them all in (except for those on my two travel days). If I don't succeed, I know I will get right back on track when I return. Stay tuned for next month's report to hear how I did!
 
Spring goals:
  1. Stay injury free
  2. Complete marathon training program
  3. SMASH the Auckland marathon October 28th
Also, today's run brought my YTD total to 1763km, 2km ahead of my 2017 full year total with 3 months of the year still to go!
 
Sep mileage:
26 runs for 200.20 miles.

This was the heavy month for my marathon training program.

Yesterday’s ATTQOTD: on Sunday I ran the OCNJ half marathon for the 2nd year in a row and think that will become an annual tradition. Running along the Jersey shore at the end of September is just nice.

I also PR’ed on Sunday. Did the OCNJ half marathon in 2:09:32 (and that was actually running 13.30 miles because I am terrible at running the tangents.
 
QOTD: I believe this was already mentioned last week, but BAA is lowering the qualifying times by 5 minutes across the board for the 2020 marathon. For those who have Boston as a goal, does this change your plans any?

ATTQOTD: The 5 minutes change is a big change IMO, but over the last few years you basically needed a BQ -4:00 anyway, so i guess it just makes it more or less an official thing. I am a far ways away from getting to that point at this time. Eventually I will be able to get back to my old running ways, but for the time being I am just trying to be prepared to finish long distance runs.
 
QOTD: I believe this was already mentioned last week, but BAA is lowering the qualifying times by 5 minutes across the board for the 2020 marathon. For those who have Boston as a goal, does this change your plans any?

ATTQOTD: I'm nowhere near qualifying for Boston, anyway, unless I can hold my current paces for another 15-25 years (assuming no more adjustments). I don't understand the uproar around the time adjustment, though. It's not really a change to anything when you look at the numbers. This year you had to beat your BQ time by 4:52 or more to get into the race. So, unless you were in that small portion of runners that beat their BQ time by between 4:52 and 4:59, the change has no real impact on your ability to get in. What it does accomplish, for now, at least, is remove the uncertainty of whether a BQ gets you into the race. Now if you hit your BQ you can pretty much count on being accepted without having to sweat whether you beat your BQ time by enough of a margin to get you into the race. From that standpoint, I think it's a positive change.
 
QOTD: I believe this was already mentioned last week, but BAA is lowering the qualifying times by 5 minutes across the board for the 2020 marathon. For those who have Boston as a goal, does this change your plans any?

I will play since this is me right now. I did freak out at first because I always planned that i had to go 5 under to get in. My qualifying time is 3:55 so i have always been planning 3:50. I knew between those i more than likely would not get in. I was freaking out because i thought ugh now i need a 3:45, but it really means if i get under 3:50 i should still get into the race.

BQ attempt number one is Sunday in Chicago. Weather not looking super stellar. I am in the south so i can handle the temps but was hoping a little cooler and i would prefer no rain. If i don't make it for this attempt need to decide if i will go for it at Disney in Jan.
 
ATTQOTD: I can't say that Boston is a goal. I am just now coming around to the idea of doing full Marathons at all. If I do a marathon, and don't hate it, maybe then I will consider this. :)

On the bright side, the weather last night was much cooler, dryer, and breezier than its been in months. I decided to go for a new 10 mile PR. (1:29:48 set in May). I ran it in 1:22:24!
 
QOTD: I believe this was already mentioned last week, but BAA is lowering the qualifying times by 5 minutes across the board for the 2020 marathon. For those who have Boston as a goal, does this change your plans any?

No change for me. I've known since I started out that it was going to take a best case scenario for me to qualify. After 6 years, 10,000 miles, and dropping my PR from 4:50 to 3:14, I'm close, but still not there yet. I've always planned on running the BQ at -5 min, so really nothing changes for me. And come race day, I'm not necessarily chasing a certain time. I'm chasing my best race on that day given the circumstances whatever that may be. They did have a now mostly forgotten rule back in 2011 and earlier before entries outnumbered spots available. While the BQ was X, you were allowed to submit an entry with a time of X+59 seconds. And if there was enough room, you got in. So a 3:50 standard, could actually be written as 3:50:59. But I wasn't able to find that language written in the new qualifying standards in a cursory look.

I was surprised they did decide to do an age wide drop at 5 min until I looked closer at the data. Back in 1990-2002, they moved the standards to be more age graded to make an equitable field for chances to get in. They used data to support that a 3:10 for M 18-24 was as hard as a M 40-44 at 3:20 at that time and for the spots available. But in 2003, they changed the standards solely because they wanted to increase the field size. So the change that happened in 2003 wasn't stated as being for equitable purposes, but was because they were trying to get more entrants. That's when the 40-59 age groups got their +5 min bump to easier qualifying standards. In 2012, right before the running boom, is when they changed the standards to be what were the standards up until just now. The 2012 change was again based on a statistical analysis (link) of marathon times in a significant number of races across the world. The data showed that the current difference between M and F qualifying times was equitable and any change should be given to the F (but less than 2 min). So it was determined not to change M/F standard differences. But you can tell based on Table 2 and 3 that the standards for the 45-59 age group are still easier than 44 or less given the roughly 12% of BQ times vs the 8% of BQ times. But running through the numbers on 2018 Boston entries tells the story as to why they couldn't just change the standards for 44-59 age groups (link). Using some back of the napkin calculations based on the number of runners in 45-59 age groups and then adjusting for an 8% population instead of 12% population (a rough calculation based on a lack of data but supported by when I did a review some time back (link)), there would have only been a reduction of about 3650 runners. So not enough given the 7200 denied entries in 2019. Reducing everyone by 5 min, means a much more significant cut (about 4000 runners from just the 18-39 age group + 1500 runners from 40-44 and 3650 runners from 45-59 = ~9150 runners dropped). So this 5 min across the board makes things better for number of entries. Thus, you can see if they made the change to -5min for 18-44 and -10min for 45-59, it would have reduced their field size by too much (~10,062). So while not equitable, it was the easier decision based on number of applicants, field size, and BQ standards for different age groups. If they were willing to change by increments other than 5 min, then it could make it more equitable, but that just seems messy and unnecessary at this time.
 

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