The Running Thread - 2019

@FFigawi thanks for taking the QOTD again.

ATTQOTD: Having really only gotten into running within the last two years, I haven’t done many races so I took me a bit to think of something. What finally came to mind is that I am doing the Broad Street Run for the first time this year. I know in it’s first few years of existence the course actually went through the courtyard of City Hall but now the course diverts around City Hall. I think it would be neat if the course reverted back to its original format and went through the courtyard again.
 
8874C23B-53B9-44B9-A01B-874D7B5C316F.jpeg Found my new vert training hill, until the snow melts and I can get at the big boy without a 3 mile approach to the trailhead. For the first time I wish I had brought poles...or my ice axe. It was slow going down hill until I stepped to the side of the beaten path and had deeper snow to slow me down.(edit-not to slow me down, but to control my slippage)
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Thanks so much! I feel so dumb because I meant I wanted to do wine and dine. Oops. So actually I will have a huge gap between races and want to continue to work on my performance in the meantime. I basically will have 8 months between them - which feels way too long - and I don’t want to go backwards! Would you recommend aiming for another HM in the middle of those months? I could do 3 cycles I guess of 12-14 weeks with a rest in between each
You should definitely keep running during that entire time as long as you're healthy. If you want another race is up to you. Personally, I need to have that next race on the horizon to get excited about and keep me motivated. I've tried training for one "A" race over a 3-4 month period and it just doesn't work well for me. This is a totally personal decision though so it's certainly possible to not race in between.
 


Thanks so much! I feel so dumb because I meant I wanted to do wine and dine. Oops. So actually I will have a huge gap between races and want to continue to work on my performance in the meantime. I basically will have 8 months between them - which feels way too long - and I don’t want to go backwards! Would you recommend aiming for another HM in the middle of those months? I could do 3 cycles I guess of 12-14 weeks with a rest in between each

It looks like you've got 36 weeks between PHM and W&D. So you could do three cycles of 12, or two cycles of 18. I'd probably err towards the two cycles of 18 weeks (or roughly thereabouts). Which means the end point would be 6/30/19. You could choose to do any type of race at the end of the cycle really (and potentially a "B" race about 4-8 weeks ahead of that, but just choose something of a lesser distance than the "A" race). A HM/10k/5k race or just simply a time trial. Then you allow recovery, and then build back up again.

So now the question becomes, what should I do during the first 18 week cycle (because the second one will focus on W&D prep)? To know what to do, I'd look at the performance of the PHM (if run at "A" level performance). Compare that time to a race equivalency calculator and recent 5k/10k times. For example,

-You stated your long runs are just under a 10 min/mile normally. The following is a profile of a person using a pacing scheme, like I use, for my runners who run a long run of a 10 min/mile:

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So a person who I would schedule 10 min/mile long runs would be someone who I've assessed at a 5k of 25 min, 10k of 52 min, and HM of 1:55. Roughly 80% of training runs would be at a 9:58 min/mile or slower regardless if the focus is on speed or endurance.

-If those 5k (25) and 10k (52) are a tad faster than something you've run in the last three months, then I'd say that you might be doing your long run a tad fast. Close is ok, but being really far from those recent race results and you may be running your long runs a little too fast (dependent on how your specific training was designed). I prefer current physiologically relevant pacing than "goal pacing". In the long term view, choosing a pacing scheme of "where your at" may slow the gains a touch, but also greatly reduces the risk of injury/overtraining. I'd aim for no more than 1-2% ahead of current if you really wanted to push the envelope. But I'd say in 90% of cases, I schedule runners based on current.
-But for the sake of the example, let's say you are a 25 min 5k runner and 52 min 10k runner recently heading into this PHM training plan.

Here's what could happen at PHM (assuming ideal conditions, or minimally speaking equivalent conditions both elevation profile and environmentally to the 5k/10k comparison):

1) You run a 2:10 HM instead of a 1:55 HM. That would suggest to me that you likely need more endurance work. Thus my suggestion for the next training cycle would be to do some minimal speed work, but the primary focus should be endurance pacing (LT, HM Tempo, M Tempo).

2) You run a 1:55 HM. This suggests to me that you could do either more speed work or more endurance work. This one is a case by case dependent on the history of the runner for me. Sometimes I focus endurance and sometimes I focus heavy speed (1 mile, 3k, and LT pacing). In your case, where there is a mid-cycle of less importance, I would definitely aim for heavy speed work if this were the case.

3) You run a 1:50 HM. This suggests to me that either your 5k/10k times are outdated and you'd crush them, or you need more speed work to continue to drop your times. This is another situation where I'd likely schedule a heavy dose of 1 mile, 3k, LT pacing regardless of whatever June race you decided on.

Lastly, I'd evaluate the last training plan and say, "What type of run did I struggle with the most?" That might be signaling a deficiency and thus is a good type of run to carry over to see if you can improve upon it. What was once a deficiency, may become a strength after a few cycles working on it. But sometimes a deficiency just stays a deficiency because it is what it is.

That's the process I'd use to decide what the next step is after PHM finished.

Here's a really long version of everything: How I write a custom running training plan

I wrote it about a year ago, but most of the content is still relevant to the current process.
 


ATTQOTD: I would add some 'randomness' to a race, like spin a wheel at the finish to determine which medal/t-shirt you get. With the option that if you don't like what you got, you can run the course in reverse and get another spin at the start, which is now the finish.

As an added “bonus” it would be like a carnival game where it’s weighted to land on a less desirable item. Haha.
 
Attqotd: I wish rundisney qualify time could be weighted for altitude and elevation gain. Kind of. I plan on running my next rundisney races at a relaxed pace, so it doesn’t really matter.
 
I've found that programming workouts into Garmin Connect, then downloading them onto my watch, really helped with pacing.

If I'm supposed to do 10 miles at something like 8:45, I would program in a workout in Garmin Connect that does 10 repeats of 1 mile, with pace maybe between 8:40 and 8:50. I then download that to my watch. The watch will then make different tones if I'm too fast or too slow compared to that range. I don't have to look at the watch, I just listen for the tones and slowly adjust. The reason I do it as 10 repeats of a mile, rather than one workout of 10 miles, is so that if one of the miles is really off while I'm working on the pace, I basically start fresh at the next mile boundary to try the pace again. I've done this for a number of years, and find that it has really helped me figure out what my paces should be, but I also don't have to stare at my watch face to get feedback

Here's and example of run in Garmin Connect

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That’s exactly what I do for my workouts!
 
ATTQOTD: I would add some 'randomness' to a race, like spin a wheel at the finish to determine which medal/t-shirt you get. With the option that if you don't like what you got, you can run the course in reverse and get another spin at the start, which is now the finish.

i did a 10K in arizona a few years ago that gave away leftover shirts from other races.
 
I didn't have any running friends when I first started either and there is ALOT of info out there about running. I was overwhelmed at first. So this is a great resource for sure. My question is, why are you afraid to get burnt out from running already?

Really that fear comes from reading online while trying to find info
About maintenance after a half. Also my friends think I am nuts to keep going![/QUOTE]

I get the part about reading online because when I first started I had no running friends either. I had no info. I was looking everywhere and I found a couple of forums and those people were all Boston qualifiers (or st least acted like they were) and made people feel like crap who were slow or less experienced. I finally found the ToT thread on here in 2014. Many people on that thread are on this one still. But I find this thread to be very helpful because nobody makes anyone feel stupid for asking a question or for being slow, at least I don't see it.

My friends also thought I was nuts. They still do. And I love my friends. But, those same friends are continuing to put on weight and life unhealthy lifestyles. They are teaching their kids those same habits. I keep trying to get them to join me and change their lives too. Maybe some day they will. My guess is your friends are not thinking you are crazy, they are afraid.

Keep sticking wth us, we will support you! Maybe you will eventually rub off on your friends.


QOTD: the thing I wish that I could change is the rules about getting swept and getting a medal in a Disney race. I wish you had to at least finish 1/2 the race to qualify for a medal so these people that walk a mile and sit on a curb waiting for the sweeper bus will get weeded out.
 
ATTQOTD: If I could change something about any race it would be having the option to get long sleeve shirts with petite length sleeves. No changes to the body, just the sleeve length.

QOTD: the thing I wish that I could change is the rules about getting swept and getting a medal in a Disney race. I wish you had to at least finish 1/2 the race to qualify for a medal so these people that walk a mile and sit on a curb waiting for the sweeper bus will get weeded out.

While I had read about this happening, actually seeing it in action during the 10k blew my mind. Between the smaller race size and my slow 10k time I was less than a mile ahead of the balloon ladies at the mile 1 hairpin turn and there were already people behind them!
 
QOTD: if you could make one change to one race, what would it be? Asking Boston to modify their qualification times is off limits, but anything else is fair game. Want to institute RFID readers at Disney to prevent corral jumping? Want to give people a time penalty instead of a lap penalty for vomiting during the beer mile? Now's your chance.

How about upping the difficulty for Dopey with the Bird Box Dopey Challenge...running all four races blindfolded.

I would also like to see awards at races for best costume, and I'm not just talking about rD or Halloween races. Or maybe just a Sparkle Division??
 
ATTQOD: Get rid of the DJ's on the course. Or at least turn it down to like background music. Does the music have to be thumping earth shattering "nightclub" beats in our faces? I listen to my own music and I try to keep it low so I can hear things around me and I want to listen to my tunes, not someone else's. Live music - live bands, marching bands and other live performances, I am fine with and I usually turn down my music to listen to them. But the DJ's just drown me out.
 
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ATTQOTD: I'd get rid of self-seeding corrals in our local races. I know this is nearly impossible due to the small size, but they drive me crazy sometimes.

QOTD: the thing I wish that I could change is the rules about getting swept and getting a medal in a Disney race. I wish you had to at least finish 1/2 the race to qualify for a medal so these people that walk a mile and sit on a curb waiting for the sweeper bus will get weeded out.

People really do that? Wow. That's a lot of money to spend on travel, hotels, and race registrations to not even try. It also makes me sad for the people who don't get in during registration (which didn't really matter this year, LOL) and would actually try to finish the race.
 
Yet another substitute QOTD: if you could make one change to one race, what would it be? Asking Boston to modify their qualification times is off limits, but anything else is fair game. Want to institute RFID readers at Disney to prevent corral jumping? Want to give people a time penalty instead of a lap penalty for vomiting during the beer mile? Now's your chance.
ATTSQOTD: I don't know if it's even possible, but I'd love to see some trail portions in WDW halfs and the full. I loved that stupid dirt road they used for TOT 10-Miler! I take to the grass a lot in WDW races, just to get a break from the asphalt.

ATTQOTD: I would add some 'randomness' to a race, like spin a wheel at the finish to determine which medal/t-shirt you get. With the option that if you don't like what you got, you can run the course in reverse and get another spin at the start, which is now the finish.
I LOVE this idea!
 
ATTQOTD: I would bring back deferrals (for legit causes at least) at Disney.

Home sick today with what I hope is just a cold. I say hope because I also woke up with swelling on the left side of my face, under my eye to the bottom of my nose. It’s also red and hard so hopefully it’s not some infection. Can’t go to the dr as I’m home alone without a vehicle today.
 

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