College entrance cheating scandal

Maybe in the general public but people in the academic community have know for many years that often Ivy league graduates got their admission (at least) handed to them.
You can always go to Harvard if you apply with saying you have full tuition paid for and require no assistance.
How do you think all of these actors got into Ivy league schools?
Often it is very apparent that those graduates did not make it on their academic merits.

Definitely no to this. Being full pay won't get you into Harvard. Donating enough for a new building may get you into Harvard, but just being able to pay tuition isn't anything special in their eyes.
 
I wonder
Maybe they did and he refused.

Earlier in this thread, I posted the possible penalties for the specific offenses Huffman and Loughlin are charged with. Fines and probation are likely possibilities no matter who you are. Yes, prison in in there too, but probably the only one who who will actually serve any time is Rick Singer.

If they aren't thrown into prison, then every parent sitting in jail for lying about his/her address in order to have a child attend school in a better school district should be released.

I hope all of the folks that have spent years screaming about affirmative action and going to court over it, do the same now. Affirmative action was never about admitting UNQUALIFIED students into colleges/universities.
 
People go to jail for that? Instead of just being fined?
Why yes they do.

Just another way the system is stacked heavily in favor of those with wealth, while poor people who do relatively minor things (far less than bribery and cheating) go to jail.

One example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-school-district/story?id=12763654

and some more for you....

https://educationpost.org/while-ric...color-sit-in-jail-for-wanting-better-schools/

I might add that any criminal records for this should be immediately expunged. It's horrible.

Sick and tired of the privileges granted to those with power, all while we talk about how we are a meritocracy and "everyone" can get ahead if they just try. BS. Absolute BS.
 


Sick and tired of the privileges granted to those with power, all while we talk about how we are a meritocracy and "everyone" can get ahead if they just try. BS. Absolute BS.

Are people saying that the admissions process for elite private colleges and universities is a meritocracy? Because they are not. Further, one certainly does not need an Ivy League education to get ahead (and didn't you prove that earlier in the thread when you recounted your story about supervising Harvard grads?) Maybe you are just shaking your fist at the world and turning this story into some proof of a larger conspiracy.
 
Why yes they do.

Just another way the system is stacked heavily in favor of those with wealth, while poor people who do relatively minor things (far less than bribery and cheating) go to jail.

One example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-school-district/story?id=12763654

and some more for you....

https://educationpost.org/while-ric...color-sit-in-jail-for-wanting-better-schools/

I might add that any criminal records for this should be immediately expunged. It's horrible.

Sick and tired of the privileges granted to those with power, all while we talk about how we are a meritocracy and "everyone" can get ahead if they just try. BS. Absolute BS.
If you wrongly enroll your child in another district and get caught, you need to pay the tuition. At least that’s how it works here.
 
Why yes they do.

Just another way the system is stacked heavily in favor of those with wealth, while poor people who do relatively minor things (far less than bribery and cheating) go to jail.

One example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-school-district/story?id=12763654

and some more for you....

https://educationpost.org/while-ric...color-sit-in-jail-for-wanting-better-schools/

I might add that any criminal records for this should be immediately expunged. It's horrible.

Sick and tired of the privileges granted to those with power, all while we talk about how we are a meritocracy and "everyone" can get ahead if they just try. BS. Absolute BS.

That writer is such a loser trying to pump her for profit education foundation. From what I remember of the Ohio mom, she refused to work out a repayment plan after kids from the school after she got caught - that's what lead. The woman in Norwalk, CT -- she never went to jail for putting the kid in Norwalk schools; she went to jail for dealing drugs.

Back to this story, I think some of these people will be going to jail.
 


Are people saying that the admissions process for elite private colleges and universities is a meritocracy? Because they are not. Further, one certainly does not need an Ivy League education to get ahead (and didn't you prove that earlier in the thread when you recounted your story about supervising Harvard grads?) Maybe you are just shaking your fist at the world and turning this story into some proof of a larger conspiracy.

IMO it does bear shining a light on the systematic inequities surrounding the mythology and the privileges associated with the Ivy League education, particularly when those privileges historically include access to positions of tremendous wealth and power. Attempting to minimize the idea by labeling it a larger conspiracy doesn't intimidate everyone.
 
If you wrongly enroll your child in another district and get caught, you need to pay the tuition. At least that’s how it works here.

i went to high school in a district that poured money into football. they had a very good team and players were routinely scouted. at the end of every football season the number of enrolled students always dropped b/c of the athletes from the adjacent district who went back to their assigned schools to finish out the year. the next fall they were back to repeat the process. our district turned a blind eye b/c they wanted those championship players. it was harder to get a within district change of school-to enroll in the district just took listing some bogus address on the paperwork and having your old school mail your records.
 
Back to this story, I think these people will be going to jail.

I'm not sure that's the appropriate punishment here, simply because I'm not sure we should spend the money incarcerating them. I do agree punishment needs to happen for a variety of reasons. I'm not certain incarceration is the best way to achieve that here.

Many of the people involved will not only likely lose their jobs, but be barred from their field of employment going forward -- lawyers, casino executive, financial investment folks. A conviction involving fraud or deception is a serious problem.
 
i went to high school in a district that poured money into football. they had a very good team and players were routinely scouted. at the end of every football season the number of enrolled students always dropped b/c of the athletes from the adjacent district who went back to their assigned schools to finish out the year. the next fall they were back to repeat the process. our district turned a blind eye b/c they wanted those championship players. it was harder to get a within district change of school-to enroll in the district just took listing some bogus address on the paperwork and having your old school mail your records.

Nothing like sacrificing a kid's stability to win championships...:rolleyes:. Around here, school districts have really tightened up on kids sneaking in. Just about every school outside a major city has a full time person to check on residency requirements. One district threw out 72 kids illegally registered.
 
It's all just so disgusting. The thing that especially irks me is that some of these kids "faked" learning disabilities (they were told to "act stupid") in order to get DOUBLE the normally allocated amount of time to take entrance exams...so they could be "proctored" by a friendly proctor who either completed the exam themselves, or "corrected" it for the student after the fact. I don't even know how that happens! My son's accommodations were hard fought....not easy to get, and getting DOUBLE the time, spread over multiple days is just absurd.

My kid has an ACTUAL disability (high functioning autism), and he's far from "stupid". He scored a 34 on the ACT all on his own, taking NO extra time to do so (although he's entitled to 25% more time because of processing speed issues....in other words, he's wildly accurate and wildly intelligent, he just needs a little more time to get there), and sitting in the same room as everyone else (despite the fact that his autism means he has sensory issues which make it very difficult for him to concentrate in rooms where there is ambient noise and other distractions). He refuses the extra time he's entitled to take because he believes people will think less of him and his degree will mean less than other people's degrees. He also refuses the accommodation he has that allows him to take exams in a quiet room. And, he's not wrong. Apparently, lots of the world thinks people with learning issues are "stupid." My son obviously gets that, and won't take the help his autism ACTUALLY entitles him to take. People with actual learning disabilities are another set of people hurt by this scandal.

If those kids are allowed to continue in schools they are not qualified to attend, it's going to make me angry all over again. I don't feel the LEAST bit sorry for those over privileged brats.
Thank you! I found the whole “act stupid” thing so absolutely enraging that I hope each and every one of these jerks lands in jail and loses everything. Even though I know it won’t happen. People who need those accommodations are NOT STUPID. Omg, the rage.
 
I'm not sure that's the appropriate punishment here, simply because I'm not sure we should spend the money incarcerating them. I do agree punishment needs to happen for a variety of reasons. I'm not certain incarceration is the best way to achieve that here.

Many of the people involved will not only likely lose their jobs, but be barred from their field of employment going forward -- lawyers, casino executive, financial investment folks. A conviction involving fraud or deception is a serious problem.

I know what you mean. I guess I'm pretty tired of people getting away with things that somehow hurt others. We had a huge banking crisis and not one person went to jail. That is insane.
 
I'm not sure that's the appropriate punishment here, simply because I'm not sure we should spend the money incarcerating them. I do agree punishment needs to happen for a variety of reasons. I'm not certain incarceration is the best way to achieve that here.

Many of the people involved will not only likely lose their jobs, but be barred from their field of employment going forward -- lawyers, casino executive, financial investment folks. A conviction involving fraud or deception is a serious problem.

And the IRS needs to get involved as well. When we went through our audit, the agent started by reviewing the disclosures (treated respectfully, efficient process, etc) and one was that we could be held criminally responsible if they believe intent was to commit fraud. It was pretty frightening at the time because I’m just a regular person who used an accountant and wasn’t trying to game the system. I can’t imagine what they’d do if they found I was faking a charitable contribution worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 
Nothing like sacrificing a kid's stability to win championships...:rolleyes:. Around here, school districts have really tightened up on kids sneaking in. Just about every school outside a major city has a full time person to check on residency requirements. One district threw out 72 kids illegally registered

yeah i hear about that but then i look at how some parents are taking advantage of the homeless situation to get their kids into whatever district they want. the way it works here is if you make a statement of homelessness (not that you are living on the street but that you identify as homeless under a very broad definition) you can go to whatever district you want to so parents walk into the desired district and say that they are homeless WITHIN that district/living in another only 'temporarily' w/an intent/desire to live in desired district and VOILA! enrolled in desired district.
 
I'm not sure that's the appropriate punishment here, simply because I'm not sure we should spend the money incarcerating them. I do agree punishment needs to happen for a variety of reasons. I'm not certain incarceration is the best way to achieve that here.

Many of the people involved will not only likely lose their jobs, but be barred from their field of employment going forward -- lawyers, casino executive, financial investment folks. A conviction involving fraud or deception is a serious problem.

I think having each of them ENDOW a faculty position and one or more full-ride low-income academic scholarships at their state flagship schools would be a fitting punishment. They could also specify it for a learning-disabled student if they cheated by taking advantage of disability accommodations. They can be known as the "Defendent XYZ Reparations Scholarships" That way, every time a kid wins one, it will be the punishment that keeps on coming back to hit them in the Public Relations Department. 8-)

And for those folks who mentioned that the IRS should get involved? Never fear, I am *sure* that they already are involved.
 
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I know what you mean. I guess I'm pretty tired of people getting away with things that somehow hurt others. We had a huge banking crisis and not one person went to jail. That is insane.

I figure since these people have so much money to splash around better to seriously fine them than us spending money incarcerating them.

As far as the banking crisis, I can't get past the idea it ended up we doled out money that ended up rewarding the ones who profited from tanking the system in the first place.
 
Is anyone really surprised that Frank Gallagher is involved in this? lol;)

Lori Loughlins husband is worth something like 80 million dollars. I get that he wanted his kids to go to USC like he did, but couldn't he have just bought a building or something?
 
Different charges entirely. Not excusing anyone in this case.
"The school district accused Williams-Bolar of lying about her address, falsifying records and, when confronted, having her father file false court papers to get around the system." and "
The school officials asked her to pay $30,000 in back tuition.

Williams-Bolar refused and was indicted and convicted of falsifying her residency records.

She was sentenced last week to 10 days in county jail and put on three years of probation.
" For the record, jail is different from prison.
That's not some more. It's the exact. Same. Incident.
Back to this story, I think some of these people will be going to jail.
Possibly. There are a variety of possible standard sentences for the different actual charges.
 
Is anyone really surprised that Frank Gallagher is involved in this? lol;)

Lori Loughlins husband is worth something like 80 million dollars. I get that he wanted his kids to go to USC like he did, but couldn't he have just bought a building or something?

That's the irony in all this; they did what they did because they were too cheap to buy their way in the traditional (and legal) way.
 

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