Riviera vs. 2042

[Spark65]

The problem everyone seems to have is selling their timeshare just read above. They want to sell and make money off it what if Disney was like all the other timeshares and you had to donate it to charity to get rid of it?
I would never buy a timeshare to keep for 10 years and sell I would stay cash money first you would save more. The benefits to buying come in the long term most people here want to buy short term and make a profit. Some say I am wrong for calling it a profit but when you expect to get at the least everything you put into in it and take a 10 year room saving at the least it's called a profit.
If you like DVC "Timeshare" buy it if you want to make money invest it.

 

[Sandisw]

The problem everyone seems to have is selling their timeshare just read above. They want to sell and make money off it what if Disney was like all the other timeshares and you had to donate it to charity to get rid of it?
I would never buy a timeshare to keep for 10 years and sell I would stay cash money first you would save more. The benefits to buying come in the long term most people here want to buy short term and make a profit. Some say I am wrong for calling it a profit but when you expect to get at the least everything you put into in it and take a 10 year room saving at the least it's called a profit.
If you like DVC "Timeshare" buy it if you want to make money invest it.

I do agree with you. But DVC has historically had good resale value so it’s not like other timeshares.

I can understand people looking at it as a what if model. I have been an owner for 10 years, but I have actually sold contracts and rebought to adjust what I owned as my needs changed. Having a stronger resale market helped me do that.

Obviously, had it not been strong, I’d still own BRV and BLT..my first two home resorts.

I don’t believe that most people on here are trying to buy DVC to make a profit down the road. They are buying to vacation, but knowing they could end up not only with magical Disney trips but also maybe get some of the initial cost back can give one an incentive to buy. So yeah, if down the road you profit, well then awesome.

 

[Spark65]

I do agree with you. But DVC has historically had good resale value so it’s not like other timeshares.

I can understand people looking at it as a what if model. I have been an owner for 10 years, but I have actually sold contracts and rebought to adjust what I owned as my needs changed. Having a stronger resale market helped me do that.

Obviously, had it not been strong, I’d still own BRV and BLT..my first two home resorts.

I don’t believe that most people on here are trying to buy DVC to make a profit down the road. They are buying to vacation, but knowing they could end up not only with magical Disney trips but also maybe get some of the initial cost back can give one an incentive to buy. So yeah, if down the road you profit, well then awesome.

Sandi

I am looking at things a little differently than most. I only joined this forum because I saw too many negative or disenchanted views. I don't view owning Disney as a negative but as something that brings back memories and creates new ones and I'll agree it costs money but what doesn't.

I was lucky and fortunate to have someone reward me (through work) and my family with a trip to Disney when my kids were young because we could not afford it otherwise. I remember counting pennies while we here and how much everything cost (see nothing has changed). It was very expensive for us and we debated about the cost vs worth of the trip overall. We said it was a "oneanddone" and would never come back.

In reality the overall memories of that one trip, just one trip, the people we met was just completely overwhelming in a place like no other and the happiest people ever including the bus drivers. We decided no matter the cost it was worth it, was magic involved maybe-maybe not. Over the years things changed we could afford to come on our own and not alone.

Through those years we have brought our children's friends who we knew the parents could not afford to go to give them a piece of the magic and some say today that memory they could never replace. We have continued to return each time including my new daughter-in-law who never went but is now a Disneyaholic. My son who fought for his country ( I am extremely proud of him) could not wait to come home and go to Disney.

I never bought for resale or money just for the magic and does it exist today?? I think it does and I think everyone who bought did it for the same reason they have just forgotten. So forgive me for defending Disney because it still has value for my family, friends and myself in memories alone.

 

[CanadaDisney05]

Some say I am wrong for calling it a profit but when you expect to get at the least everything you put into in it and take a 10 year room saving at the least it's called a profit.
If you like DVC "Timeshare" buy it if you want to make money invest it.

The word "profit" insinuates that you are selling for more than you paid. I don't think most people are buying DVC with the expectation that they will be able to sell it down the road for more than they bought it for (even though so far that has been the case).

I do think people rightfully have an expectation that the asset will retain some value until expiration. If someone wants to pretend that its a sunk cost with the intention of reducing the pressure, thats great for them. But just because they pretend that to be true, doesn't make it accurate.

 

[Spark65]

The word "profit" insinuates that you are selling for more than you paid. I don't think most people are buying DVC with the expectation that they will be able to sell it down the road for more than they bought it for (even though so far that has been the case).

I do think people rightfully have an expectation that the asset will retain some value until expiration. If someone wants to pretend that its a sunk cost with the intention of reducing the pressure, thats great for them. But just because they pretend that to be true, doesn't make it accurate.

Its not an asset its a time share just like a vacation no value whatsoever unless you're stressed out and burnt out than there is value.
Asset: money in the bank, actual real estate, stocks, bonds even a pension - timeshare hardly don't try to get confused

 

[Sandisw]

Sandi

I am looking at things a little differently than most. I only joined this forum because I saw too many negative or disenchanted views. I don't view owning Disney as a negative but as something that brings back memories and creates new ones and I'll agree it costs money but what doesn't.

I was lucky and fortunate to have someone reward me (through work) and my family with a trip to Disney when my kids were young because we could not afford it otherwise. I remember counting pennies while we here and how much everything cost (see nothing has changed). It was very expensive for us and we debated about the cost vs worth of the trip overall. We said it was a "oneanddone" and would never come back.

In reality the overall memories of that one trip, just one trip, the people we met was just completely overwhelming in a place like no other and the happiest people ever including the bus drivers. We decided no matter the cost it was worth it, was magic involved maybe-maybe not. Over the years things changed we could afford to come on our own and not alone.

Through those years we have brought our children's friends who we knew the parents could not afford to go to give them a piece of the magic and some say today that memory they could never replace. We have continued to return each time including my new daughter-in-law who never went but is now a Disneyaholic. My son who fought for his country ( I am extremely proud of him) could not wait to come home and go to Disney.

I never bought for resale or money just for the magic and does it exist today?? I think it does and I think everyone who bought did it for the same reason they have just forgotten. So forgive me for defending Disney because it still has value for my family, friends and myself in memories alone.

That passion comes through and I’m right there with you! How do you think I got to 800 points!

My kids love Disney too and I was one proud mama when my DD 26 became assistant manager for marketing at Disney Theater in NYC. Lol

I believe that everyone should decide what makes the best sense for them and buying resale vs. Disney or short vs. long term.

Hey, I said I’d never buy Rivera and after a meeting with a guide and discussing some points I didn’t think of with my adult kids, well, it might just happen. Who would have thought!

 

[Soap_1984]

Wanting your dvc membership to not be immediately worthless is not the same as wanting to profit off of it.

At its core, buying dvc is a financial decision; what is the point if you aren't saving money? I like the idea of buying direct but the way it is priced now I am left scratching my head as to how to justify the cost vs just booking rooms if I can only sell it for a third of what I paid a day after I bought it.

My point is that dvc needs to retain value at the prices they are charging because the financial incentive is not there without that retained value. I can't own the contract until the it expires I'll be dead for 20 + years; 2070 does nothing for me if I can't sell it.

Disney may be shooting themselves in the foot by trying to destroy resale, I think they will suffer as much as the owners eventually because there is one fewer (and major) reason to buy. I cannot plan more than 15-20 years out so it's a no go for me; you can have magical vacations without dvc.

 

[Spark65]

Wanting your dvc membership to not be immediately worthless is not the same as wanting to profit off of it.

At its core, buying dvc is a financial decision; what is the point if you aren't saving money? I like the idea of buying direct but the way it is priced now I am left scratching my head as to how to justify the cost vs just booking rooms if I can only sell it for a third of what I paid a day after I bought it.

My point is that dvc needs to retain value at the prices they are charging because the financial incentive is not there without that retained value. I can't own the contract until the it expires I'll be dead for 20 + years; 2070 does nothing for me if I can't sell it.

Disney may be shooting themselves in the foot by trying to destroy resale, I think they will suffer as much as the owners eventually because there is one fewer (and major) reason to buy. I cannot plan more than 15-20 years out so it's a no go for me; you can have magical vacations without dvc.

You're right you don't need DVC for magical vacations it's simply there to allow you to go many times for less than what it would cost for many magical vacations. Buying is not a necessity we all have our reasons as to our choices in the long run I am just glad my choice was DVC.

 

[Brianstl]

You're right you don't need DVC for magical vacations it's simply there to allow you to go many times for less than what it would cost for many magical vacations. Buying is not a necessity we all have our reasons as to our choices in the long run I am just glad my choice was DVC.

Disney main selling is that it will cost you less for many of those magical vacations. Don’t get upset when people repeat Disney main sale push for people to buy DVC.

 

[CanadaDisney05]

Its not an asset its a time share just like a vacation no value whatsoever unless you're stressed out and burnt out than there is value.
Asset: money in the bank, actual real estate, stocks, bonds even a pension - timeshare hardly don't try to get confused

Not every asset has to generate revenue. DVC is an asset that generates cost control/savings.

On a smaller scale, my costco card is an asset. I pay $50 per year to be a member because I believe I will save more than $50 year shopping there vs the alternative. Im not paying $50 for a costco membership so I can post on Costco message boards and brag about being in the club

 

[Wakey]

You are wanting to buy and ‘hoping’ to make a profit when you come to sell. Reasonable hope, you may well do it- at least get a good chunk of money back unless DVC knacker up the market themselves by banging new restrictions on everything.

If this is your hope, it’s quite simple. Don’t buy Riviera, and probably don’t buy a 2042 resort, there’s plenty of other choice which will likely have a better resale value in 10, or 20 years.

 

[Bing Showei]

Sandi

I am looking at things a little differently than most. I only joined this forum because I saw too many negative or disenchanted views. I don't view owning Disney as a negative but as something that brings back memories and creates new ones and I'll agree it costs money but what doesn't.

I was lucky and fortunate to have someone reward me (through work) and my family with a trip to Disney when my kids were young because we could not afford it otherwise. I remember counting pennies while we here and how much everything cost (see nothing has changed). It was very expensive for us and we debated about the cost vs worth of the trip overall. We said it was a "oneanddone" and would never come back.

In reality the overall memories of that one trip, just one trip, the people we met was just completely overwhelming in a place like no other and the happiest people ever including the bus drivers. We decided no matter the cost it was worth it, was magic involved maybe-maybe not. Over the years things changed we could afford to come on our own and not alone.

Through those years we have brought our children's friends who we knew the parents could not afford to go to give them a piece of the magic and some say today that memory they could never replace. We have continued to return each time including my new daughter-in-law who never went but is now a Disneyaholic. My son who fought for his country ( I am extremely proud of him) could not wait to come home and go to Disney.

I never bought for resale or money just for the magic and does it exist today?? I think it does and I think everyone who bought did it for the same reason they have just forgotten. So forgive me for defending Disney because it still has value for my family, friends and myself in memories alone.

It reads a little strange that you come so hard at people that “it’s not an investment, it’s a timeshare! It’s just a timeshare!” And then turn around and spout all this “magic of Disney” business.

If you look at the two assertions, the investment camp has historical evidence to support their position. To maintain your “it’s not an investment. It’s a timeshare!” position, you have to ignore the following facts:

- Anyone who bought within the first 19 years of this timeshare life cycle can sell and make a profit
- Disney’s timeshare has the healthiest and most robust resale market in the timeshare industry
- Disney’s timeshare is tethered to a world class theme park that has a far-reaching mass appeal; much greater the usual timeshare target audience
- Disney exercises right of first refusal like no other timeshare company does which indirectly supports market values

Now should people go into buying Disney’s timeshare as an investment? My answer would no. If you can’t afford to lose it all, than you shouldn’t buy a Disney timeshare.

But you make it out like their is absolutely no historical evidence to suggest that values go up; that the resale market does not exist and people aren’t buying VGC for $200/point; that making money off of Disney’s timeshare has never been done before. You are completely turning a blind eye and sticking your head in the sand to avoid this reality.

It’s almost like you’re plugging your ears and closing your eyes and chanting, “La, la, la, it’s not an investment. La, la, la, it’s just a timeshare. La, la, la.”

I get that with Disney’s latest decision to add the resale restrictions that “it’s just a timeshare” may become true of your Riviera purchase, but you are trying soooo hard to make it seem like this is a reality with Disney’s previous timeshare product, and that’s just divorced from reality.

Claiming that Disney created a vacation club that is something “magical” and helps deliver “dreams” and “priceless memories” is your right, but you’ll excuse me if I feel it would be more applicable in this instance to remind you that “it’s just a timeshare.”

 

[Spark65]

It reads a little strange that you come so hard at people that “it’s not an investment, it’s a timeshare! It’s just a timeshare!” And then turn around and spout all this “magic of Disney” business.

If you look at the two assertions, the investment camp has historical evidence to support their position. To maintain your “it’s not an investment. It’s a timeshare!” position, you have to ignore the following facts:

- Anyone who bought within the first 19 years of this timeshare life cycle can sell and make a profit
- Disney’s timeshare has the healthiest and most robust resale market in the timeshare industry
- Disney’s timeshare is tethered to a world class theme park that has a far-reaching mass appeal; much greater the usual timeshare target audience
- Disney exercises right of first refusal like no other timeshare company does which indirectly supports market values

Now should people go into buying Disney’s timeshare as an investment? My answer would no. If you can’t afford to lose it all, than you shouldn’t buy a Disney timeshare.

But you make it out like their is absolutely no historical evidence to suggest that values go up; that the resale market does not exist and people aren’t buying VGC for $200/point; that making money off of Disney’s timeshare has never been done before. You are completely turning a blind eye and sticking your head in the sand to avoid this reality.

It’s almost like you’re plugging your ears and closing your eyes and chanting, “La, la, la, it’s not an investment. La, la, la, it’s just a timeshare. La, la, la.”

I get that with Disney’s latest decision to add the resale restrictions that “it’s just a timeshare” may become true of your Riviera purchase, but you are trying soooo hard to make it seem like this is a reality with Disney’s previous timeshare product, and that’s just divorced from reality.

Claiming that Disney created a vacation club that is something “magical” and helps deliver “dreams” and “priceless memories” is your right, but you’ll excuse me if I feel it would be more applicable in this instance to remind you that “it’s just a timeshare.”

Bing

I remember when there were only 2 resorts and there was no historical reselling at a profit going on. The whole making money off your timeshare came later on it was never Disney's intent to create a secondary market for anyone to make money especially the flippers. Also, Disney doesn't say anywhere at anytime you can't sell DVC but people are all hanging on the continued "resale kills it". Kills what exactly?? Profit! That's what it kills you can still sell it so the statement everyone keeps going on about it isn't exactly correct. Since you love to cherry pick the correct use of words I am surprised you haven't corrected people to use "profit" instead of "it" .

Now Disney (DVC) to me is just that a, timeshare or in reality a really nice vacation nothing more nothing less. My entire family loves to go and we always have a great time. We like the convenience of staying on site as well as staying in nice accommodations. I am not staying in a value resort nor am I staying offsite both which could give me a cheaper version of Disney. I can honestly say I only have really good memories of my trips to Disney and vacations in general maybe because I want them more than others.

If you're put off that I love to go and view it as a money pit that gives my family and I a great deal of fun and memories and call it a timeshare...oh well. It's a timeshare that gives value and it will always be a timeshare to me.

 

[Akck]

The problem everyone seems to have is selling their timeshare just read above. They want to sell and make money off it what if Disney was like all the other timeshares and you had to donate it to charity to get rid of it?
I would never buy a timeshare to keep for 10 years and sell I would stay cash money first you would save more. The benefits to buying come in the long term most people here want to buy short term and make a profit. Some say I am wrong for calling it a profit but when you expect to get at the least everything you put into in it and take a 10 year room saving at the least it's called a profit.
If you like DVC "Timeshare" buy it if you want to make money invest it.

I like to analyze major purchases and do mainly worst case scenarios. One scenario is being forced to sell early for some reason. I would like to know at what point would a sale “break even“ versus cash only stays. Resale comes into play in that any value it provides means I can sell earlier and still come out ahead. I don’t expect to make a profit, just save money on our stays.

In comparing to the 2042 resorts, RIV has an advantage over them with a lower depreciation rate, which I wanted to confirm with other members here. While not on par with the resale restriction, it is one of the many factors that should be considered in deciding a home resort.

 

[Soap_1984]

Bing

I remember when there were only 2 resorts and there was no historical reselling at a profit going on. The whole making money off your timeshare came later on it was never Disney's intent to create a secondary market for anyone to make money especially the flippers. Also, Disney doesn't say anywhere at anytime you can't sell DVC but people are all hanging on the continued "resale kills it". Kills what exactly?? Profit! That's what it kills you can still sell it so the statement everyone keeps going on about it isn't exactly correct. Since you love to cherry pick the correct use of words I am surprised you haven't corrected people to use "profit" instead of "it" .

Now Disney (DVC) to me is just that a, timeshare or in reality a really nice vacation nothing more nothing less. My entire family loves to go and we always have a great time. We like the convenience of staying on site as well as staying in nice accommodations. I am not staying in a value resort nor am I staying offsite both which could give me a cheaper version of Disney. I can honestly say I only have really good memories of my trips to Disney and vacations in general maybe because I want them more than others.

If you're put off that I love to go and view it as a money pit that gives my family and I a great deal of fun and memories and call it a timeshare...oh well. It's a timeshare that gives value and it will always be a timeshare to me.

I am not sure it bothers people necessarily, I think some people have trouble grasping that concept. If I rephrase your answer, maybe you will see why some people are confused: you bought dvc because you don't want the option of not going to Disney every year.

I don't feel like anyone on these forums is profiting of their membership; everyone is spending thousands a year at disney, and if the contract holds its value then you have spent your dues and lost the time value of your upfront investment. Furthermore, disney is profiting by far the most of any entity in any dvc transaction, yet you aren't upset at them for doing so. Disney buys contracts back at half the value and then resell them a second time at an even higher price than they originally sold at to other people lol. I see dvc compared to just being another timeshare, but everyone must agree that no other timeshare does that (although I'm sure they would if they could).

 

[Bing Showei]

If you're put off that I love to go and view it as a money pit that gives my family and I a great deal of fun and memories and call it a timeshare...oh well. It's a timeshare that gives value and it will always be a timeshare to me.

I’m not at all put off that your family loves going to the parks and recognizes Disney’s timeshare to be a timeshare. You just described my family.

I’m not a flipper. I’m a guy who wanted to find a cheaper way for my family to go to Disney annually, staying in a 1BR+ close to the parks. My plan is to keep my contracts as long as I can so that when I have grandkids, I can introduce them to my sickness. I imagine going to food and wine, flower and garden with my wife when I can take my “get-off-my-timeshare-lawn” show on the road in retirement. If he wants it, maybe I’ll pass it along to my son to share with his family.

If any of this sounds familiar, it’s because you’ve described wanting some of those same things for your family as well. Believe it or not, we probably have more in common than not.

What I don’t understand is your fixation on people deciding to make money off of this timeshare. Ignoring that historically people have done this, you seem obsessed with convincing people that Riviera is the bomb-biggety best thing since sliced bread. You first come at it as more than saving money it was making magic. Then it was something to enjoy and pass on to the kids. Then it was future proofing when Epcot expands and bulldozes the surrounding resorts making Riviera’s arms length Epcot status the smart long play. And now it’s that Disney never designed the product to make people money and therefore everyone shouldn’t care that Disney is devaluing their timeshare product for their sole benefit.

Really, who cares?

If people started posting that Disney’s timeshare was a horrible waste of money because they’re able to stay at the Holiday Inn down the street for a fraction of the cost and catch a city bus that drops off at Disney Springs where they could catch any shuttle to any park, I’d shrug and move on. Not how I wanna spend my vacation but to each his own.

Unlike people who poo-poo your beloved Riviera; whose protest of your chosen resort effects nothing of your ownership; your espousal of the new Disney sales guidelines: speaking of years of magic, how Disney designed this to be bought and enjoyed by families, how this is something you’ll hand down to your kids, how Disney never designed this for people to make money; all of this is the same exact verbiage the Developers are packaging for guides to use when countering concern around the new restrictions.

They serve the corporate message beautifully, but they do nothing to help owners.

I know you love the Riviera. I know you don’t care about the restrictions. I get that. But in all your defense of the new Disney timeshare model you have failed to address the one thing most owners take umbrage to:

How do these new restrictions better serve the ownership?

I’m not looking for anything about magic, or Disney’s intent with the timeshare product, people looking to profit off of this. I just want to understand how you see these restrictions benefiting owners.

Because that’s a point we can discuss. I see this clearly as hurting owners, present and future, that it didn’t before the change; especially direct owners. And especially direct owners at Riviera and every other timeshare to follow. But you seem to be such a proponent of the change and have embraced it so much that you’re incensed when people suggest that these restrictions are diametrically opposed to the heart of what makes a Disney timeshare different than industry standard.

How do these new restrictions better serve the ownership?

 

[Spark65]

I’m not at all put off that your family loves going to the parks and recognizes Disney’s timeshare to be a timeshare. You just described my family.

I’m not a flipper. I’m a guy who wanted to find a cheaper way for my family to go to Disney annually, staying in a 1BR+ close to the parks. My plan is to keep my contracts as long as I can so that when I have grandkids, I can introduce them to my sickness. I imagine going to food and wine, flower and garden with my wife when I can take my “get-off-my-timeshare-lawn” show on the road in retirement. If he wants it, maybe I’ll pass it along to my son to share with his family.

If any of this sounds familiar, it’s because you’ve described wanting some of those same things for your family as well. Believe it or not, we probably have more in common than not.

What I don’t understand is your fixation on people deciding to make money off of this timeshare. Ignoring that historically people have done this, you seem obsessed with convincing people that Riviera is the bomb-biggety best thing since sliced bread. You first come at it as more than saving money it was making magic. Then it was something to enjoy and pass on to the kids. Then it was future proofing when Epcot expands and bulldozes the surrounding resorts making Riviera’s arms length Epcot status the smart long play. And now it’s that Disney never designed the product to make people money and therefore everyone shouldn’t care that Disney is devaluing their timeshare product for their sole benefit.

Really, who cares?

If people started posting that Disney’s timeshare was a horrible waste of money because they’re able to stay at the Holiday Inn down the street for a fraction of the cost and catch a city bus that drops off at Disney Springs where they could catch any shuttle to any park, I’d shrug and move on. Not how I wanna spend my vacation but to each his own.

Unlike people who poo-poo your beloved Riviera; whose protest of your chosen resort effects nothing of your ownership; your espousal of the new Disney sales guidelines: speaking of years of magic, how Disney designed this to be bought and enjoyed by families, how this is something you’ll hand down to your kids, how Disney never designed this for people to make money; all of this is the same exact verbiage the Developers are packaging for guides to use when countering concern around the new restrictions.

They serve the corporate message beautifully, but they do nothing to help owners.

I know you love the Riviera. I know you don’t care about the restrictions. I get that. But in all your defense of the new Disney timeshare model you have failed to address the one thing most owners take umbrage to:

How do these new restrictions better serve the ownership?

I’m not looking for anything about magic, or Disney’s intent with the timeshare product, people looking to profit off of this. I just want to understand how you see these restrictions benefiting owners.

Because that’s a point we can discuss. I see this clearly as hurting owners, present and future, that it didn’t before the change; especially direct owners. And especially direct owners at Riviera and every other timeshare to follow. But you seem to be such a proponent of the change and have embraced it so much that you’re incensed when people suggest that these restrictions are diametrically opposed to the heart of what makes a Disney timeshare different than industry standard.

How do these new restrictions better serve the ownership?

Bing you are very much like me we just have a different view on the new Riviera and my concept of resale. I did not implicate you were a flipper just that there were people buying with the sole intent of flipping for personal gain.
I do hope you have grandkids and have the ability to bring them to Disney I think the memories you give them will be worth more than resale could provide you and I think you know that.
The restrictions aren't really a problem for me because in the end game they won't affect me and as far as others I am too cold to care about how it will affect them. I like Disney for what it gives my family and I am pretty selfish if you think about it.
The new Riviera gives my wife bigger accommodations with all the bells and whistles that she wants and a long term vacation for my children and future grandchildren because they love going to Disney as much as I. I think you passing it on to your son will provide him and possibly his future family with a lifetime of memories.
Since I do own at Riviera I don't see it as hurting me or any others in the future but I look at it in the long term to use and enjoy until the deed ends with no expectation of selling (won't be around for that though). I don't work for Disney and never have would not say I wouldn't in the future either but my perspective on Disney is mine with that twinkle in my eye. I have a really good outlook on development and development has been built on speculation for ages what I may see as the future could happen but everything comes into play with speculation.

 

[Bing Showei]

Bing you are very much like me we just have a different view on the new Riviera and my concept of resale. I did not implicate you were a flipper just that there were people buying with the sole intent of flipping for personal gain.
I do hope you have grandkids and have the ability to bring them to Disney I think the memories you give them will be worth more than resale could provide you and I think you know that.
The restrictions aren't really a problem for me because in the end game they won't affect me and as far as others I am too cold to care about how it will affect them. I like Disney for what it gives my family and I am pretty selfish if you think about it.
The new Riviera gives my wife bigger accommodations with all the bells and whistles that she wants and a long term vacation for my children and future grandchildren because they love going to Disney as much as I. I think you passing it on to your son will provide him and possibly his future family with a lifetime of memories.
Since I do own at Riviera I don't see it as hurting me or any others in the future but I look at it in the long term to use and enjoy until the deed ends with no expectation of selling (won't be around for that though). I don't work for Disney and never have would not say I wouldn't in the future either but my perspective on Disney is mine with that twinkle in my eye. I have a really good outlook on development and development has been built on speculation for ages what I may see as the future could happen but everything comes into play with speculation.

I understand you’re not affected and that you don’t care about others, but my question was:

How do these new restrictions better serve the ownership?

Because until I can understand how the restrictions help the ownership, I will see this move only as an attempt by Disney to line their pockets at ownership expense. Maybe these restrictions never effect me, but I have to wonder how the next, more severe round might. Or how much they can devalue ownership before the legs come out from underneath all of us and no one wants to buy into the system anymore. Hyperbole? Maybe. But these restrictions are a slippery slope of diverting ownership value to their coffers, not unlike the 2020 reallocation that diluted ownership interest wholesale across the resort we each bought into in order to increase their point stakes in each resort.

 

[Spark65]

Bing

I have a business I don't care if Disney lines their pocket at my expense I know enough to make a choice to give them my hard earned money and I have stated what I consider value. Business needs to make money that is how they stay viable.

Restrictions will never bother me....that is fact

You are trying to convince yourself Riviera is a bad buy for you but maybe it's not.

The best thing we all have in life is to make choices and they will not always be the best but at least you have a choice to make it win or lose.

 

[Wakey]

Bing

I have a business I don't care if Disney lines their pocket at my expense I know enough to make a choice to give them my hard earned money and I have stated what I consider value. Business needs to make money that is how they stay viable.

Restrictions will never bother me....that is fact

You are trying to convince yourself Riviera is a bad buy for you but maybe it's not.

The best thing we all have in life is to make choices and they will not always be the best but at least you have a choice to make it win or lose.

Business needs to make money- Disney was already making money- hundreds of millions off the back of DVC has been made, incredibly profitable.

But that wasn't enough- and making moves to potentially devalue what customers bought to make even more money.

That is where the line was drawn for me.

Your statement 'Restrictions will never bother me' is incredibly prophetical. You could suffer severe illness, lose your job, house, business or whatever in the next 50 years, and have to sell. You may even surprise yourself and just get sick of going to Disney. It is not something to necessarily 'hand down' either- the people may never want it, it's a huge financial commitment. Then if you come to sell, perhaps on your uppers, you will definitely be bothered by the restrictions. I cannot understand how restrictions which will devalue your asset (that seems to be beyond doubt as Riviera will be worth more without them) would never bother you- even if you have no plans to sell. Surely you would be delighted if they were removed?

According to DVC News sales are slowing.