BWV stand booking brutal

Well one of the rental sites was walking standard studios at BWV for September. I tried to book a week rental for a standard studio at the eleven month mark from one company and they said it was already unavailable. Checked with another site same thing. It still hasn’t opened up for either of those sites.

Saturday, I decide to check out a third rental place that bombards me with emails. It isn’t either one of the two biggies. Guess what? They had the standard available. Not only that, they had dates virtually the whole month I could book through them.
I have only rented my points out one time and they wanted standard studio at BWV. I was also asked to rent my points via private message on another forum, recently, and they also wanted a standard studio at BWV.
 
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I have only rented my points out one time and they wanted standard studio at BWV. I was also asked to rent my points via private message on another forum, recently, and they also wanted a standard studio at BWV.
Without a doubt it is the most popular rental especially during Epoct festivals. That is, also, why people looking to rent out will walk them. They can charge an extra $4 premium for those points and still offer a significant discount over P/G or Boardwalk view for a week stay.
 
One of the problems with trying to re-allocate points with rooms like the Value Studios is that the represent such a small portion of the overall number of rooms. If you were to try to increase the points for those rooms where do you decrease? Every decrease of a size/type of room which has greater amount of inventory is a massive increase to such a small category as value. Right now you're looking at only a 3 pt/night difference between a Value Studio and a Standard studio at AKV which does not really leave a lot of room to move the point requirements around for the value category. You would have to really play around with dropping larger sized units in points and increasing all studios but then that really is not something most owners would want to see either.
 
Right now you're looking at only a 3 pt/night difference between a Value Studio and a Standard studio at AKV which does not really leave a lot of room to move the point requirements around for the value category.
But not much need to move the points around there either. We were talking about BWV where sometimes of the years a garden/pool view goes for 50% more than a standard view.
 


But not much need to move the points around there either. We were talking about BWV where sometimes of the years a garden/pool view goes for 50% more than a standard view.
The issue still remains that making a change to a smaller category is tough. I believe there are 52 possible SV Studios and 165 Pool/Garden. For every point you reduce from Pool/Garden you have to increase SV by 3 points (unless we're moving around between room sizes as well). That's a 4 point swing so now you're looking at nearly identical pts required for a standard vs a pool/garden which really defeats then purpose of the standard category. Sure you could move around between room sizes but I'm guessing most owners would rather not see studios increase and larger units decrease.
 
Without a doubt it is the most popular rental especially during Epoct festivals. That is, also, why people looking to rent out will walk them. They can charge an extra $4 premium for those points and still offer a significant discount over P/G or Boardwalk view for a week stay.

But you do realize that regardless of it being used as a rental, the room has to be booked by someone who is an owner. So, if this site had rooms, it means they had owners who contacted them with BWV points wanting to rent them and they are the ones who booked it.

I know some are opposed to owners who rent, but IMO, they are entitled to book rooms. Now DVC has rules regarding commercial renting and hopefully, they monitor it to the Extent that they can.
 
The issue still remains that making a change to a smaller category is tough. I believe there are 52 possible SV Studios and 165 Pool/Garden. For every point you reduce from Pool/Garden you have to increase SV by 3 points (unless we're moving around between room sizes as well).
That's probably what's needed. The reality is that standard view just isn't that bad at BWV.
 


But you do realize that regardless of it being used as a rental, the room has to be booked by someone who is an owner. So, if this site had rooms, it means they had owners who contacted them with BWV points wanting to rent them and they are the ones who booked it.

I know some are opposed to owners who rent, but IMO, they are entitled to book rooms. Now DVC has rules regarding commercial renting and hopefully, they monitor it to the Extent that they can.
I think they should be entitled to book rooms.

I don't think Disney can properly monitor commercial renting. You can purchase contracts under multiple family member names and set up multiple legal entities with different names to buy resale contracts. Then you just set yourself up a DVC rental business. You then walk reservations for rooms where you can charge the highest per point premium. Disney has no way of knowing that you are renting out points that were bought for sole purpose of feeding your rental business. There is nothing that Disney sees that connects the contracts to the rental business and when the reservation is made Disney has no way of knowing if the stay was rented out or not. They just know the owner is booking with points for someone else.
 
I think they should be entitled to book rooms.

I don't think Disney can properly monitor commercial renting. You can purchase contracts under multiple family member names and set up multiple legal entities with different names to buy resale contracts. Then you just set yourself up a DVC rental business. You then walk reservations for rooms where you can charge the highest per point premium. Disney has no way of knowing that you are renting out points that were bought for sole purpose of feeding your rental business. There is nothing that Disney sees that connects the contracts to the rental business and when the reservation is made Disney has no way of knowing if the stay was rented out or not. They just know the owner is booking with points for someone else.

Absolutely. There are ways that people can get around things to not send up a red flag to Disney. But I have my doubts it is something that is out there as a big problem.

As I shared earlier, people struggling to book for September 2020 would have good luck right now, depending on actual date, of getting the elusive SV studio.

What it tells me is that people need to recognize that if one doesn’t get something right at 11 months, keep checking. If it’s true walking, then rooms will open up. if they don’t, then people booked those rooms because they want them.
 
I was just checking the system and noticed something interesting. Beach Club has studios every night from 7/5 to 10/6. With Food & Wine and Halloween parties starting in August, I'm surprised.
 
Well one of the rental sites was walking standard studios at BWV for September. I tried to book a week rental for a standard studio at the eleven month mark from one company and they said it was already unavailable. Checked with another site same thing. It still hasn’t opened up for either of those sites.

Saturday, I decide to check out a third rental place that bombards me with emails. It isn’t either one of the two biggies. Guess what? They had the standard available. Not only that, they had dates virtually the whole month I could book through them.

Can't that be reported to someone like member services?
 
I think they should be entitled to book rooms.

I don't think Disney can properly monitor commercial renting. You can purchase contracts under multiple family member names and set up multiple legal entities with different names to buy resale contracts. Then you just set yourself up a DVC rental business. You then walk reservations for rooms where you can charge the highest per point premium. Disney has no way of knowing that you are renting out points that were bought for sole purpose of feeding your rental business. There is nothing that Disney sees that connects the contracts to the rental business and when the reservation is made Disney has no way of knowing if the stay was rented out or not. They just know the owner is booking with points for someone else.

Ya they can they can offer a bounty $100 Disney Gift card upon checking in if you report the points being rented. They could flag accounts where 90% of the points are used by the non owners over a 3 year period to ask the people who are staying.

If confirmed more investigation is completed. Disney has the rights to pull the points back doesn't it? So they essentially get free points back.

In the end doubt Disney cares. People rent and then get interested in buying DVC. I think Disney dislikes resale but honestly likes rentals.
 
Man, is trying to get a standard view studio at BWV at 11 months brutal. Don't even have a shoot at it as the 11 month day is already unavailable before the window even opens. Have been trying for over a week with no luck at all. At least I have a lot of flexibility and can go anytime in Oct, Nov or Dec. it has been a few years since I have gone at this time of year, but I don't remember it ever taking me more than one or two tries before I got the room. Definitely summer is way easier, which is when I have been going the last few years.
Doug, yes brutal is right. Going through it now and worse than previous years for sure.
 
I had that issue last year and ended up with multiple days that had to be merged together. I picked them up each day after or so. It was a pita. I had no problem getting my September reservation (2 different weeks) after the days were released. After moonlight dates for the studios were released, those days went fast at Bwv standard studios. I stalked until I finally grabbed one. I just extended my trip one day earlier. It is what it is. I’m cruising in September so needed a before and after reservation. My daughter decided to go too and I had to get a room at Bwv for her too. It was equally as hard getting a standard BLT studio for her after her cruise. Since I went through it last year, I was not shocked and prepared for the fight. I no longer go in October/November because it’s gotten too busy for us, so don’t have to deal with the struggle.
 
Ya they can they can offer a bounty $100 Disney Gift card upon checking in if you report the points being rented. They could flag accounts where 90% of the points are used by the non owners over a 3 year period to ask the people who are staying.

If confirmed more investigation is completed. Disney has the rights to pull the points back doesn't it? So they essentially get free points back.

In the end doubt Disney cares. People rent and then get interested in buying DVC. I think Disney dislikes resale but honestly likes rentals.

There is nothing in the POS the prevents renting, other than commercial renting,.which isn’t defined. When a broker secures a room, they are connecting an owner with the renter.

So who pays for the $100 GC you give the renter for indicating it’s a rental?
Disney has always maintained that seeing too many ..like 20.. reservations in other peoples names...as a red flag. So there is a system in place, so they say.

Whoever booked those rooms was entitled to them so regardless of who they let stay, their chance of getting them wasn’t any different than yours or mine.
 
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There is nothing in the POS the prevents renting, other than commercial renting,.which isn’t defined. When a broker secures a room, they are connecting an owner with the renter.

So who pays for the $100 GC you give the renter for indicating it’s a rental?
Disney has always maintained that seeing too many ..like 20.. reservations in other peoples names...as a red flag. So there is a system in place, so they say.

Whoever booked those rooms was entitled to them so regardless of who they let stay, their chance of getting them wasn’t any different than yours or mine.

I don't think Disney cares I was simply stating they could put systems in place if they really wanted to.

Doubt they do anything was simply saying there is options if Disney wanted to go after bigger rental operations.
 
The issue still remains that making a change to a smaller category is tough. I believe there are 52 possible SV Studios and 165 Pool/Garden. For every point you reduce from Pool/Garden you have to increase SV by 3 points (unless we're moving around between room sizes as well). That's a 4 point swing so now you're looking at nearly identical pts required for a standard vs a pool/garden which really defeats then purpose of the standard category. Sure you could move around between room sizes but I'm guessing most owners would rather not see studios increase and larger units decrease.

Another idea would be to split G/P in to another view for those with obstructed views? So you would have S then O then G/P then B from cheapest to most points.

Like some have said if you are staring right in to a tree it should be fairly close to a wash with S.
 
I tried to book a STD view studio for Labor day next year and was shut out the first day. The next morning I was able to grab the remaining 3 days right at 8am. An hour later the walkers moved on and I got my first night.

I had watched this category for about 3 weeks prior to my dates and 2 weeks after. Every day in that time frame the first day of the 11 month window was gone at 8:01am and every day it became available the following day at some point. I noted that at one point the last two weeks of August all the way to close to Sept 10th was completely available for STD Studios. To me, that says walkers are walking WAY to early. I'd gather that many people walking are starting to early. But I get that disrupting months worth of availability for people who actually want to stay over those dates is a small price to pay so walkers can get their early December days.
 
At least for BWV, this is about money and the desire to obtain the best deal. In a few cases, it's about getting the "best" view.

Those who are willing to book either P/G studios or 1 bedrooms do not have to do anything special to book at 11 months. It's only an issue for those who want standard views (and sometimes, the "best" views).

IMO, no change to booking processes is needed if the object is just to make booking standard (or Boardwalk) view studios less competitive. System works the same for everyone.
 
I don't think Disney cares I was simply stating they could put systems in place if they really wanted to.

Doubt they do anything was simply saying there is options if Disney wanted to go after bigger rental operations.

I agree that Disney isn’t doing anything but more because I don’t think it is a problem.

I think my bigger point is that the rental brokers are using multiple owners who want to rent out reservations. These companies are not violating the rules of DVC so there is a not a reason to go after them because ultimately, the people renting these reservations are owners who allowed to do so. The fact that they are using a broker to help them doesn’t negate it.
 

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