When will you go back to normal?

[mi*vida*loca]

To bring some levity to the situation I am kinda interested at the fact that what is allowed is described as "Moving to a friend's home for several days after arguments at home"..that is a very specific statement to a specific scenario.

domestic violence ?

 

[fortwildernessishome]

We all did it to flatten the curve. Now somebody moved the goalpost to a vaccine or a cure.

I admit, I have not read all of the posts.

Who is the "somebody" that you are talking about?

Is it people here on the Dis? The government? Your state?

I haven't gotten the impression that people are being asked to stay in lockdown until their is a vaccine or cure.

 

[soccerdad72]

I think part of the problem is that we live in a 24/7 news cycle and we're an impatient society as a whole, so people want a answers in hours, instead of weeks or months. This isn't a crisis that necessarily lends itself to being able to give predictions as quickly as most would like. We don't do well with a 'wait and see' approach, but really, that's what is needed. It's going to be months and months of recovery, not days.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

domestic violence ?

Yeah I was thinking that was at least part of it (probably a decent portion of it really).

Or more or less a way to give people outlets to cool off without it being technically against an order should one be asked why you're not a roommate or live in relative over at someone's place as you can still have tensions between people, need an outlet, but yet it not be domestic violence level.

I don't know that they would necessarily allow the same in the U.S. because they've focused so much on not introducing new people into your circle. However, it is the truth that tensions have been rising for people. I mean anyone really. You take people not used to being day in and day out with each other add on stressors, worries, financial issues, with little to no ability to get away or do much activities to cool off and it's bound to create at the very least spats to full on violence in some situations.

 

[jkh36619]

Anyone here from Michigan? What in the world is going on up there? I read that even lawn care is shut down. wow.

 

[Farro]

I admit, I have not read all of the posts.

Who is the "somebody" that you are talking about?

Is it people here on the Dis? The government? Your state?

I haven't gotten the impression that people are being asked to stay in lockdown until their is a vaccine or cure.

I'm not going to list all the politicians and people who have stated we can't reopen until there is a vaccine or we reach herd immunity. It changes everyday.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Yeah I was thinking that was at least part of it (probably a decent portion of it really).

Or more or less a way to give people outlets to cool off without it being technically against an order should one be asked why you're not a roommate or live in relative over at someone's place as you can still have tensions between people, need an outlet, but yet it not be domestic violence level.

I don't know that they would necessarily allow the same in the U.S. because they've focused so much on not introducing new people into your circle. However, it is the truth that tensions have been rising for people. I mean anyone really. You take people not used to being day in and day out with each other add on stressors, worries, financial issues, with little to no ability to get away or do much activities to cool off and it's bound to create at the very least spats to full on violence in some situations.

I got into an argument with my kids the other day. Could be so some people don’t kill their kids in the process. LOL jkjk

In NJ you are allowed to visit family and friends that you have a close personal relationship with including romantic partners.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

This is correct, the world won't be completely 'normal' until there is a vaccine or treatment. That doesn't mean everything is shut down until then.

This is what I think as well!

On a side note I swore off buffets and salad bars long ago because someone told me of all the germs on it. Now. haha, there is no way in Hades I would eat anything off one!

I fought cancer and had 6 months of chemo 9 years ago. The life I am currently living is VERY similar to the one I was living then! And yes, from what I learned about germs in my "chemo class" There is a ton of stuff that I stopped doing and never went back to again, buffets being one of them! No way I would eat off one either!!

My chemo went through the winter months and I was worried that if I caught anything and my counts were too low, then my chemo would need to be postponed. I stopped hugging, didn't go in big crowds, skipped parties in peoples home, stopped working, used a lot of hand sanitizer when I couldn't get to a sink. It was a drag, but it didn't last forever. This won't either. Some changes will stick for some folks and some changes won't. Life will go on!

 

[fortwildernessishome]

I'm not going to list all the politicians and people who have stated we can't reopen until there is a vaccine or we reach herd immunity. It changes everyday.

Interesting, because I feel like I watch the news daily and I truly haven't heard anyone say that we cant re-open until there is a vaccine in late 2021. The President isn't saying it, my governor isn't saying it. All I have heard is that there will most likely be modifications with the re-opening, not that there won't be a re-opening for a year and a half.

But, yes, no need to list all of the people and politicians. Since there are so many, I should have no problem googling and finding them all for myself.

 

[RamblingMad]

Anyone here from Michigan? What in the world is going on up there? I read that even lawn care is shut down. wow.

Last I checked snow is hitting the Midwest.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I got into an argument with my kids the other day. Could be so some people don’t kill their kids in the process. LOL jkjk

Last week my husband and I got into an argument over him not knowing how to use our coffee machines well enough (whenever we have coffee at home I'm the one who really does it both with our Mr. Coffee and the Keurig machine). He's used to either me doing the coffee on the weekends when we have it together or getting it from work (where they have different machines).

He kept leaving the machine on, not refilling the water (so it would just constantly blink the light for more water to need to be added), leaving the lever on the Keurig up, etc and it was grating on me especially because I have a routine he has a routine and now off a sudden our routines are being messed up...cue 5mins of a very heated argument lol. And I joke about that only because my husband and I can get over that quickly enough but I do know that isn't the case everywhere and it can lead to so much more serious actions.

In NJ you are allowed to visit family and friends that you have a close personal relationship with including romantic partners.

I remember you saying that. I wish that was more like the case most everywhere.

 

[Farro]

Interesting, because I feel like I watch the news daily and I truly haven't heard anyone say that we cant re-open until there is a vaccine in late 2021. The President isn't saying it, my governor isn't saying it. All I have heard is that there will most likely be modifications with the re-opening, not that there won't be a re-opening for a year and a half.

But, yes, no need to list all of the people and politicians. Since there are so many, I should have no problem googling and finding them all for myself.

Is this a "gotcha" question? That's not even what my post said.

Yes, do your own research and come up with your own opinions. Everyone should be doing that.
And I'm not here for sad attempts at shading me, sorry.

And if you still don't understand what I meant - read @Colleen27's posts after mine. She has more patience and explains in detail.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

Is this a "gotcha" question? That's not even what my post said.

Yes, do your own research and come up with your own opinions. Everyone should be doing that.
I'm not here to have silly arguments.

What's your problem?

This is a discussion board.........I have never used it as a "gotcha board" as my many posts are evident of. Geesh!

You posted that "somebody moved the goalpost to a vaccine or cure" I have not heard that at all, so I asked you about it.

Didnt realize that asking a question about someones post would be turned into a "gotcha moment"

I also didn't realize that asking someone about their post was viewed as a "silly argument" and not a discussion.

Weird.

Carry on!

 

[Farro]

What's your problem?

This is a discussion board.........I have never used it as a "gotcha board" as my many posts are evident of. Geesh!

You posted that "somebody moved the goalpost to a vaccine or cure" I have not heard that at all, so I asked you about it.

Didnt realize that asking a question about someones post would be turned into a "gotcha moment"

I also didn't realize that asking someone about their post was viewed as a "silly argument" and not a discussion.

Weird.

Carry on!

I didn't interpret your post to me the way you are presenting it in this post.
I stand by my original interpretation, but yes, let's carry on.

(and full disclosure, I edited it and you must have been typing)

 

[fortwildernessishome]

I didn't interpret your post to me the way you are presenting it in this post.
I stand by my original interpretation, but yes, let's carry on.

(and full disclosure, I edited it and you must have been typing)

Go back and read my post 302 again. There is no "gotcha" question there!

Sad that was your interpretation.

In a stressful time, folks probably need to take a deep breath and read questions as they are written and not look for a negative hidden agenda. Life is hard enough as it is.

 

[Colleen27]

Anyone here from Michigan? What in the world is going on up there? I read that even lawn care is shut down. wow.

Yeah, it is a little nuts. My mom's lawn service cannot cut her grass. I can't travel to her house to cut her grass. And she can't buy a lawn mower to cut her own grass. But her city isn't waiving the requirement that the grass be cut, of course! (Fortunately, her city is among those declining to enforce the order, so her lawn guy can go about his business without fear of consequences).

This last round of tightening is a disaster, and the governor really should have stuck with what was working (not just in MI, but across the country - our order now bans things that most other states are considering essential) because the backlash is going to cause more problems than any of the "gaps" she was attempting to close. There's a sense among a lot of people that this specific set of orders was politically driven, since it is primarily hurting businesses and industries that do not share her worldview and disproportionately impacts residents of the parts of the state she didn't win and because it keeps her in the national headlines while the media speculates about whether she might be a VP pick.

I think she believed she was getting out ahead of some of these issues by banning boating before the start of the season, banning lawn services before most lawns need mowing, banning nurseries and garden centers (completely - they can't even offer the same curbside service other non-essential retailers are being allowed to offer) before planting season, etc. And in a way it has worked - no one is seriously engaging with criticism of those points on the grounds that it is irrelevant at this precise moment. But since there's near zero chance of the order being lifted on 4/30, unless the legislature intervenes, I don't think that's a fair dismissal and the refusal to even discuss it is creating a lot of resentment. We went from being one of the most compliant states in the country, according to cell phone movement data, to having one of the largest opposition movements.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think this lockdown has helped solidify that some of the stuff we do is kinda dumb to begin with. I haven't had to fill the gas tank since before this all started. That's fantastic, in my opinion. Did you know the smog lifted in LA? Isn't that awesome?

I think some of our habits our bad and should change for good. Like, being more careful about hand washing and sanitation in general. Not driving as much. Stuff like that.

I know at least here are in Canada, the hospital ERs are empty which is good. Usually a lot of the people that do use them are there for the smallest things that could be taken care of at home.

 

[maxaroni]

As I said in my earlier post (pages ago, lol) some of this will be personal comfort. Meaning, once things start opening up, DH & I will take a measured approach and see how things go. However, someone upthread mentioned a 24/7 news cycle and we are not wired for the time this is all taking. I understand what some of you are saying in regards to flattening the curve, still locked down. My take is that we are all learning as we go, no textbook. I am more inclined to listen to Fauci & Birx for their expertise as I don’t want a political spin on things. If my governor thinks that by going by these experts warrants school to be closed now until 5/15 (NJ) then that’s what it should be.
I think that interpretations can vary as to what is said and by whom. In other words, lift the lockdown & back to normal. Lifting the stay at home restrictions won’t put us back to normal, it will be a new normal. For instance, we will not be going to professional sports games as spectators this year, most probably. Is that back to normal? No, our new normal. My take isn’t that we have to wait for a vaccine to get out of lockdown, it will be waiting for a vaccine to lessen the “new normal” and gradually go back to ”old normal”, This will be in stages. Is it hard? Yes,
it is. I am all for this for the greater good for everyone.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

domestic violence ?

I know that British people are often accused on understating things, but if the police meant domestic violence, I trust that they would have said that and not arguments. Having said that, whilst it is reported that all other crimes have decreased during lockdown, domestic violence has gone up.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

Last week my husband and I got into an argument over him not knowing how to use our coffee machines well enough (whenever we have coffee at home I'm the one who really does it both with our Mr. Coffee and the Keurig machine). He's used to either me doing the coffee on the weekends when we have it together or getting it from work (where they have different machines).

He kept leaving the machine on, not refilling the water (so it would just constantly blink the light for more water to need to be added), leaving the lever on the Keurig up, etc and it was grating on me especially because I have a routine he has a routine and now off a sudden our routines are being messed up...cue 5mins of a very heated argument lol. And I joke about that only because my husband and I can get over that quickly enough but I do know that isn't the case everywhere and it can lead to so much more serious actions.
I remember you saying that. I wish that was more like the case most everywhere.

Lots of empathy here. Don’t ever ever mess with my coffee!