Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

[TikiTikiFan]

While we would consider still going in August if you had to wear a mask in the parks, if the pools aren't even open we will definitely reschedule.

I am curious in general how we’ll handle pools with this. My neighborhood has a pool and they’ve been readying it for summer even though our gym and tanning is still closed... we’re all peering in like ‘hmmmm’

I have a feeling masks would be required pool side and similar with eating... taken off when swimming and put back on?

ETA: now my purchase of the cute Disney masks feels justified after reading this haha! I was like we better get some just in case masks are required when we go... My son is excited to have a baby Yoda mask so hopefully that’ll help him want to wear it. He had fun picking his out.

 

[lindyv321]

The incentive to do so is very strong -- not government rules, but lawsuit exposure. Every time a grandmother dies and the source of her infection can be traced to DLR, Disney will find itself in a multi-million dollar lawsuit, plus news articles about how a day at Disneyland is killing people. The measles outbreak was horrible publicity and that wasn't even Disney's fault. I doubt they want more of

Disneyland or any public place for that matter can’t be held liable for someone getting sick there.
Even with masks people can spread germs and get sick... The best thing that can be done is offering additional hand washing/sanitizer stations throughout and having CM’s Wipe down rides and things that get touched more often. Masks will be required at first to help people feel better but I doubt it will last long.

I personally think cases will go down now that the temperature is going up like most viruses.

 

[StarlitNight05]

Did Shanghai supply disposable masks for guests? The other day at the store one of the elastic straps broke on my washable mask. I could see something like this happening at the parks to other folks. Or maybe they lose it, etc... I'd imagine they may have some resuable/washable ones available for purchase, but you never know.

 

[mentos]

I personally think cases will go down now that the temperature is going up like most viruses.

I'm not counting on this mostly because the virus has spread in tropical regions and in areas where it's been generally/mostly warm (i.e. Southern California).

 

[longtimedisneylurker]

Did Shanghai supply disposable masks for guests? The other day at the store one of the elastic straps broke on my washable mask. I could see something like this happening at the parks to other folks. Or maybe they lose it, etc... I'd imagine they may have some resuable/washable ones available for purchase, but you never know.

Disney is already selling masks on shop Disney for pre-order, so I expect they will be selling those in the parks too. If it is mandatory to wear one though at all times except for when eating, Disney will clearly need to have a stockpile of disposable and/or reusable masks to sell cheaply or hand out for free in addition to whatever cute Disney themed masks they sell in the gift shops.

 

[travelplanningnerd]

I'm not counting on this mostly because the virus has spread in tropical regions and in areas where it's been generally/mostly warm (i.e. Southern California).

Agreed. If you go back and look at H1N1, it had a surge in the summer in warm areas, particularly Mexico and south Florida. I know this because my 27 year old sister died from it after a cruise to Mexico. And everyone had said the same thing - once it gets warm, everything will be back to normal.

 

[MouseWithNoName]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but I'm a bit uninformed about the "Health QR Codes" used in Shanghai. These health status validations seem to be a key ingredient in letting guests into the park. We have nothing like this in the U.S., so I'm wondering if we would simply skip this requirement?

 

[Where's Wall-E]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but I'm a bit uninformed about the "Health QR Codes" used in Shanghai. These health status validations seem to be a key ingredient in letting guests into the park. We have nothing like this in the U.S., so I'm wondering if we would simply skip this requirement?

Likely, or something else would be put in its place as a requirement. What is happening for DL Shanghai is merely an indication of what might be put in place for the US-based parks.

 

[pokee99]

I love that they posted this video, it makes me realize that aside from needing to wear a mask, it actually will make for a more enjoyable park visit for me personally and honestly for the benefit of a less crowded park, I will gladly make the trade off of needing to wear a mask. I just need to find a mask that will be easier to wear for a longer period of time outside and may be a little cooler.

I think it's a bit of a double-edged sword...on the one hand, less crowded - but on the other hand, sooo much stuff will be closed down. And I think we all need to consider the fact that less people in the park, and more space in the lines doesn't necessarily mean shorter wait times. Rides will be running well less people, will be stopped more frequently to clean, and could have infrequent operating hours. And hard to say if maxpass/FastPasses will be operational, either. So, it's not just about wearing a mask... the experience will be extremely different...

 

[DLgal]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but I'm a bit uninformed about the "Health QR Codes" used in Shanghai. These health status validations seem to be a key ingredient in letting guests into the park. We have nothing like this in the U.S., so I'm wondering if we would simply skip this requirement?

Every Chinese citizen has a health QR code and they are tracked via cellphone literally everywhere they go. There are three colors: green, yellow, red. Green people can go anywhere. Yellow can go to certain limited essential places only. Red cannot physically leave their homes. You have to show your QR code EVERYWHERE in China. It is also how you pay for things (it's an electronic wallet type system there).

Clearly, we don't have this here. But Disneyland in Shanghai is using the QR system because that is what China requires for all public places.

 

[B3rlingirl]

Honestly I have no idea how the mask thing is supposed to work for a theme park like DL.
I don’t know what the guidance is in the US but here in Germany you are only supposed to only wear the mask till it is moist (if possible less than 1h) and then you are supposed to change it. For changing it you are obviously not supposed to touch the mask itself and store it in a closed bag till you either dispose it or “clean” it. For that you are supposed to iron it or wash it hot in a washing mashine...
So for a day at DL you would need over a dozen of masks per day for one person... and then iron them at night or wash them...

I really like the effort FL Shanghai is doing for cleaning and sanitizing all handrails over and over again... they even removed the padding of the handle bars so they can be cleaned easier
Also the social distancing markers on the ground look like a good idea that’s going to work...

 

[alvernon90]

Disneyland or any public place for that matter can’t be held liable for someone getting sick there.

Not sure why you think this. Anyone or any entity can be held liable for negligence. If a restaurant serves you food that makes you sick they can be liable. If a store refrigeration unit is leaking a chemical that makes people sick they can be liable. If a company creates a situation where one customer makes another sick when the company could have taken reasonable action to prevent it, they can be liable. Why do you think salad bars have sneeze guards?

The question would be whether Disney acted reasonably to prevent illness from spreading. Obviously Disney takes tons of precautions against illness, from the aforementioned sneeze guards to providing free dispensers for hand soap and hand sanitizer. These are reasonable actions because illness is fairly rare and most people have immune systems strong enough to fight off most bacteria and viruses most of the time. (Vaccinations help immensely, of course.) But this virus is something new, far more deadly than seasonal respiratory viruses and nobody has immunity to it. Disney must act reasonably to prevent this new disease as well, or they will be legally liable.

Reduced capacity and mandatory masks are the bare minimum it will take for Disney to stand up in court and successfully argue that they acted reasonably to prevent the virus from infecting its guests.

 

[midnight star]

Disneyland or any public place for that matter can’t be held liable for someone getting sick there.
Even with masks people can spread germs and get sick... The best thing that can be done is offering additional hand washing/sanitizer stations throughout and having CM’s Wipe down rides and things that get touched more often. Masks will be required at first to help people feel better but I doubt it will last long.

I personally think cases will go down now that the temperature is going up like most viruses.

I wonder if they will add new Terms of Service to their tickets.

"You assume all risks of illness"...or something like that...

 

[alvernon90]

Every Chinese citizen has a health QR code and they are tracked via cellphone literally everywhere they go. There are three colors: green, yellow, red. Green people can go anywhere. Yellow can go to certain limited essential places only. Red cannot physically leave their homes. You have to show your QR code EVERYWHERE in China. It is also how you pay for things (it's an electronic wallet type system there).

Clearly, we don't have this here. But Disneyland in Shanghai is using the QR system because that is what China requires for all public places.

If I understand how their app works, we probably couldn't have that here without major congressional legislation. I believe (though I could be wrong) that the same laws that prohibit Disney from demanding to know your specific disability before issuing an access pass would prohibit them from asking if you have COVID-19 or had it in the past (and thus are immune).

I've heard various people kicking around the idea of "immunity passports" for all dense crowd venues, but I just don't think we can ever make it work. That's why Disney will focus on what they are allowed to directly observe (like temperature) and behaviors that minimize spread (like mandatory masks).

 

[StormyCA]

I think it's a bit of a double-edged sword...on the one hand, less crowded - but on the other hand, sooo much stuff will be closed down. And I think we all need to consider the fact that less people in the park, and more space in the lines doesn't necessarily mean shorter wait times. Rides will be running well less people, will be stopped more frequently to clean, and could have infrequent operating hours. And hard to say if maxpass/FastPasses will be operational, either. So, it's not just about wearing a mask... the experience will be extremely different...

I can deal with wearing a mask, I can deal with lines & waits. My attendance 'marker' will be based on what/how many attractions are shut down. Oh...and crowds if crowds are an issue.

 

[pokee99]

Honestly I have no idea how the mask thing is supposed to work for a theme park like DL.
I don’t know what the guidance is in the US but here in Germany you are only supposed to only wear the mask till it is moist (if possible less than 1h) and then you are supposed to change it. For changing it you are obviously not supposed to touch the mask itself and store it in a closed bag till you either dispose it or “clean” it. For that you are supposed to iron it or wash it hot in a washing mashine...
So for a day at DL you would need over a dozen of masks per day for one person... and then iron them at night or wash them...

I really like the effort FL Shanghai is doing for cleaning and sanitizing all handrails over and over again... they even removed the padding of the handle bars so they can be cleaned easier
Also the social distancing markers on the ground look like a good idea that’s going to work...

The introduction of mask culture here in North America is going to be interesting to watch.

Up until now, the average person has merely been wearing a mask to go grocery shopping. But what happens when you're traveling? Long waits at airports...cross country flights. And what about all day in Disneyland? Will one mask suffice? What happens when you eat? Drink? Talk on the phone? Apply lip balm? Blow your nose?

Everyone says they'll have no problem wearing a mask all day at Disneyland...but in reality, i think it will be much more unpleasant than we could even imagine!

 

[TikiTikiFan]

The idea of a Disneyland with no shows or parades is really sad to me but doable in the spring/summer. The holiday seasons though? I’d hesitate going then for Christmas. The seasonal entertainment is what helps make the magic. I feel like those missing pieces would be felt much more strongly that time of year.

ETA: I’m getting my threads confused, so sorry if this is off topic, reading the article post above made me contemplate this with the mention of reduced entertainment.

 

[AndrewC]

WOW! Even if they were odd by ten times, it sounds like attendance would have been 4,000 or less!

I’m hoping ramp up goes well and by October the world is largely open for business again, but wow, if there were 10k or less people at DL/DCA I think I would feel like I won a prize! I’m booking my hotel right now in case that is also capacity limited.

 

[StarWarsNerd24]

The question would be whether Disney acted reasonably to prevent illness from spreading

There will be mandated procedures and guidelines that are and will be coming out for safety issues but key word of "Reasonable" is the lynch pin for this. A business (doesn't mater what it is) will have to implement these procedures to the best of there abilities but unless said business can be found to be purposefully not following the new procedures (I think it is very difficult to prove purposeful neglect) then actually being successful in a lawsuit would difficult.

As an example if the new rule are to wipe down a handrail in the que for a ride like Radiator springs is every 10 mins and its done then they are being reasonable and responsible in their adherence to said rule. Now if 1 min later someone that has the Covid-19 virus sneezes and then touches the just recently cleaned handrail and someone else touches that handrail and then contracts the virus i don't see anyway a Disney could be held liable. If they are not following the set rules that's one thing but if they are then I can't see how a person could win a lawsuit.

Sorry for the long ramble and I don't disagree in principal just not sure how easy it would be sue.

 

[littlea905]

Does anyone know if most of the rides were open today at SDL?