Is Disney responsible for guest safety at DVC resorts . . . They don't think they are at Disney Springs . . . Come on Disney have some class

Okay. Personally I don’t see it any more here than I do other states, and I travel for a living.
But that’s just me I guess.
I have worked with lawyers in 47 states on advertising (seriously) and some of my best stories are Florida lawyers, mostly injury, but some criminal. You would think Texas could compete but not really. My favorite was the Fort Lauderdale guy who would fake his own reviews. They were epic.
 
Remember, Disney is in Florida. There are plenty of Florida men and women eager to call the lawyer on the back of the bus.
Now I'm picturing a sleazy lawyer--like Danny DeVito from The Rainmaker or Saul from Better Call Saul-- camped out in the back of a Disney bus, paperwork and legal pads and half-filled coffee cups spread all over the seat and floor, jumping up with avarice and glee every time he hears a cough.

ETA: They'll be haunting Disney for clients instead of the hospitals.
 


Disney won’t let a sick cast member work. However, if a CM takes Motrin before work and doesn’t have a fever when they get there, there is nothing more Disney can do.

This is simply letting guests know that all the safeguards in the world will not make you 100% immune,

Again, if you are worried that a statement like this allows Disney to not try, then it’s not the place for you


Finally, some common sense! Thanks Sandisw!
 
Not even just taking Ibuprofen. I have seen reports of on and off fevers with positive covid infections. 98.6 during the day and 102 in the evening. I wonder if disney will make you be fever free for 48+ hours before you can come back to work.
 
Not even just taking Ibuprofen. I have seen reports of on and off fevers with positive covid infections. 98.6 during the day and 102 in the evening. I wonder if disney will make you be fever free for 48+ hours before you can come back to work.
More likely, a negative result from a COVID-19 test after a 14 day quarantine.
 


I don't think Disney has it wrong.

Especially in the case of a virus, tracing an infection back to a point of origin in a very public place like that is going to leave far too much gray area when talking about personal responsibility vs business responsibility. Disney employees could do EVERYTHING perfectly, but if a guest gets infected, there is way too much room to blame Disney even if it was 100% the fault of a guest (who like noted in previous posts, opted to take a mask off, cough into the open, not wash their hands or use sanitizer, etc etc etc) and someone else suffered for it. Having a policy like this doesn't mean they AREN'T doing all the right things within their control - but they HAVE to account for the stuff that is out of their control and also a potential litigation point.
 
Disney won’t let a sick cast member work. However, if a CM takes Motrin before work and doesn’t have a fever when they get there, there is nothing more Disney can do.

This is simply letting guests know that all the safeguards in the world will not make you 100% immune,

Again, if you are worried that a statement like this allows Disney to not try, then it’s not the place for you
I'm not sure you read my post.

My post stated that it was classless to say that Disney had no responsibility and that the guest assumed all risks. I said "For my part, I think we all understand there are risks related to going to a theme park..." I never implied that Disney's language implied they do not have to try.

But while we're on the topic of Disney not trying, do you believe that they always try and have always acted in the guests' best interest as it relates to the virus?

Did you see the pictures of the last night Magic Kingdom was open and the huge crowds they created at the exit with all the characters and Josh D'Amaro waiving good-bye to everyone?

That was Sunday, March 15th well after the period that Disney understood the risk and methods of virus transmission. And there Disney goes creating a huge crowd, unnecessarily.
 
I'm not sure you read my post.

My post stated that it was classless to say that Disney had no responsibility and that the guest assumed all risks. I said "For my part, I think we all understand there are risks related to going to a theme park..." I never implied that Disney's language implied they do not have to try.

But while we're on the topic of Disney not trying, do you believe that they always try and have always acted in the guests' best interest as it relates to the virus?

Did you see the pictures of the last night Magic Kingdom was open and the huge crowds they created at the exit with all the characters and Josh D'Amaro waiving good-bye to everyone?

That was Sunday, March 15th well after the period that Disney understood the risk and methods of virus transmission. And there Disney goes creating a huge crowd, unnecessarily.

Yes, I read it and yes, I absolutely believe they did what I consider to be appropriate measures of safety with guests taking responsibility for their own choices and actions. And, no, those pictures didn’t bother me at all because while this is a serious health concern, I don’t agree the level of shut down we have experienced was close to necessary.

I stand by my opinion that in this day and age with the number of people out there who think they have no level of responsibility and that it’s up to Disney or any other company to guarantee their safety above and beyond what is reasonable, this notion is not only needed and wise. But, IMO is not in anyway classless.

Disney can not control all the guests someone will be around and without this, I guarantee you there would be people who made it a huge issue if they got sick.

The good thing is we get to feel differently and on this point, Disney did the best thing they should have to ensure people go knowing full well a theme park could be a risk, no matter the safety put in place.

Like has been stated, if one believes this statement bothers someone, they have to decide to what degree and whether or not it changes their decision to support them.

Honestly, I have no idea why anyone would even see this as an issue at all.
 
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Not even just taking Ibuprofen. I have seen reports of on and off fevers with positive covid infections. 98.6 during the day and 102 in the evening. I wonder if disney will make you be fever free for 48+ hours before you can come back to work.

70% of admittances in New York City, so those cases bad enough to need inpatient, had no fever.

Fever is kinda theater. It's one of the easily measured things so eveyrone is doing it, but it's no real protection.
 
70% of admittances in New York City, so those cases bad enough to need inpatient, had no fever.

Fever is kinda theater. It's one of the easily measured things so eveyrone is doing it, but it's no real protection.
It's as my husband says... security theatre. It's the same in the airports. There is only so much that actually can be done, most of it is to make us "feel" safe.
It is what it is.
 
Does a guest voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19? Disney seems to think so, see their disclaimer below (link provided).

It includes "all risks" related to exposure to COVID-19? That would include intentional, willful, wanton, and reckless acts - a liability for which Disney cannot likely contract away. Regardless of that, is this o'kay? What do you think?

For my part, I think we all understand there are risks related to going to a theme park, but this just smacks of the kind of waiver one would see from a third-rate grocery store parking lot midway. Come on Disney. Have some class.

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"We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Disney Springs.

An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable.

By visiting Disney Springs you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19."
Link: https://www.disneysprings.com/reopening/
So since you think Disney’s policy / statement warning on DS has the thoughtfulness of a 3rd rate grocery store parking lot aka classless, does this mean you no longer support or will visit their theme parks and/or resorts?
What businesses do you think are top notch and classy and dont have this 3rd rate statement/policy?
 
So since you think Disney’s policy / statement warning on DS has the thoughtfulness of a 3rd rate grocery store parking lot aka classless, does this mean you no longer support or will visit their theme parks and/or resorts?
What businesses do you think are top notch and classy and dont have this 3rd rate statement/policy?
Well, let me think, how about just about every other restaurant or shop or school or anyplace I've been since this whole thing started. So far I've only seen this sort of thing from Disney.

Here in America we can disagree with one another and even companies and continue to buy their products. We can criticise one another and still be polite. We don't have to cancel every darn thing that we disagree with.

It seems to me that Pete Werner who brought us all this often disagrees with Disney and he is a tremendous fan. Maybe you should ask him that question?
 
You can't expect Disney to take responsibility for people's behaviour. They put the guidelines and the systems in place but if people choose not to follow them then there will be risk.
I don't expect Disney to take responsibility for anyone's behavior except their own. I do expect them not to post classless sandwich-board waivers at the parks and resorts. I expect them to have a better presentation.
 
I don't expect Disney to take responsibility for anyone's behavior except their own. I do expect them not to post classless sandwich-board waivers at the parks and resorts. I expect them to have a better presentation.
I dunno - they have to be SURE people know, though, since it's a new policy (or should I call it, a "novel policy"? 🤣 I kid.)

It has to be prominently displayed or it'd be easy for people to say they didn't see a small or sign or read the web site. I realize that may not be legally required (depending on Florida law, which I certainly know very little about), but when you're talking about liability and something new, it goes a long way to making your case if an issue arose. It's only temporary, anyway.
 

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