Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[NYC1982]

I've been following this forum on a near-daily basis for the last few months, after my vacation got cancelled for the second week of april. It's become a weird sort of pandemic obsession.

I surely thought that these message boards would be full of joy and positive messages today. FINALLY, REAL OPENING DATES!!! But it feels like it's more of the same - talk of masks, the Florida heat, etc.

Little secret: if you're not happy with the policies and procedures that Disney is putting into place, then you don't have to go.

 

[Pickle Rick]

Of course and obviously it should be, however it seems like it's much more leaning towards spending as little as possible which in turns negatively affects a customer's experience. It just seems they're much more on that side of the spectrum than other businesses around them, which is disappointing and frustrating for a fan/customer.

I'm not sure why you believe this to be the case.

 

[brockash]

What exactly are they “cheating out” on?

They have had months to figure it out and they are doing so. The plan revealed today wasn’t decided 10 minutes before it was revealed. Their systems are already overwhelmed. You announce every little detail at once and it causes mass chaos. Us Disney fans should be used to how Disney operates by now. Announce something but add details later. They’ve always done that.

Cheaping out of providing experiences to their guests that they reasonably and safely could...not opening water parks, extremely reducing park hrs. (you know the opposite of what would be good for social distancing) etc.- If it was safety they were worried about they'd inform guests of limited bus transportation or eliminate it for a certain period of time, but instead it's financially better for them to keep the bus service and reduce park hrs. - Not about safety.

 

[brockash]

I've been following this forum on a near-daily basis for the last few months, after my vacation got cancelled for the second week of april. It's become a weird sort of pandemic obsession.

I surely thought that these message boards would be full of joy and positive messages today. FINALLY, REAL OPENING DATES!!! But it feels like it's more of the same - talk of masks, the Florida heat, etc.

Little secret: if you're not happy with the policies and procedures that Disney is putting into place, then you don't have to go.

Well todays the first day they've known anything substantial and even with that there's numerous still unknowns. I also think some, myself included, were pretty taken aback by all of the reductions, especially considering all other parks in the area.

I believe many in the coming days/weeks will make their decisions whether to go or not, just as ppl. in here can choose to read certain threads or not

 

[brockash]

I'm not sure why you believe this to be the case.

The extreme reduced hrs. (opposite of supporting social distancing); the decision not to open water parks because it'snot worth it to them financially. ..we'll see what else they come up with...hopefully some things for the better.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Cheaping out of providing experiences to their guests that they reasonably and safely could...not opening water parks, extremely reducing park hrs. (you know the opposite of what would be good for social distancing) etc.- If it was safety they were worried about they'd inform guests of limited bus transportation or eliminate it for a certain period of time, but instead it's financially better for them to keep the bus service and reduce park hrs. - Not about safety.

Longer hours = more CMs having to work and less time to do any after hours cleaning that I’m assuming is going to be more extensive than in the past. People who don’t see the value in shorter hours don’t need to go.

If Disney was only after money, they could have proposed opening a month+ sooner, say screw it to many of their precautions and procedures that are keeping people away, jack prices way up to cash in on pent up demand, start charging for ridiculous things (like hey, really miss fireworks? It’ll cost ya. After hours fireworks party!), and just be all around reckless (as much as the state would allow) to bring in the highest revenues they can in the short term.

 

[GusGusTheMouse]

Well I just spent an hour looking back on this thread, and my conclusion is GREAT. If you don’t mind the rules, I’ll see you there on my honeymoon trip in August. I could literally be required to wear a hazmat suit in 100 degree weather and I wouldn’t care because I’m where I always wanted to be celebrating my union. If you don’t like the rules or will complain the whole time about them, stay home and watch Disney+ and get amped for better times. But DONT come and complain the whole time or it will ruin it for those who don’t give a poo about the restrictions.

My question is how many guest fights break out due to this? Personally, if someone intrudes on my personal space right now I have no problem saying to someone back off, but then again I’m an attorney and thrive on confrontation. I could see things getting pretty heated between the social distancers and anti-social distancers.

 

[wdwoutsider]

This isn’t your normal crowds so finding shelter during a storm shouldn’t be a major issue.

There will be enough people that i still see that being a huge issue. Even 50% capacity where in MK can everyone hide in pouring rain. If its not an issue then theres not enough people in the park and they won't let that happen for long. My guess would be expect a very low (too low) capacity just so it works and not bad press and then a huge uptick in capacity. They need it to work for show. Has to be a success the first week, then it will be hard with more capacity and accountants watching the costs on everything.

Skyliner , fogger is good but i still think the capacity of each party in a car and maybe every other one will hurt quite a bit. Adding buses costs money to help capacity, i think they would rather have you wait in a line.

 

[wdwoutsider]

My question is how many guest fights break out due to this? Personally, if someone intrudes on my personal space right now I have no problem saying to someone back off, but then again I’m an attorney and thrive on confrontation. I could see things getting pretty heated between the social distancers and anti-social distancers.

I guess you have to hope that is that this new social distance squad is there to be the middle men . Talk about a tough job, not sure how they are gonna enforce anything. Imagine when an entitled overheated gem of a person refuses to put on their mask or socially distance because they are hot and paid all this money to get in.

situation random guest sue from NY: as she disobeys all signs and walks right up the ice cream counter
I'm not waiting in a virutal que for ice cream i paid all this money to get in here and my daughter is crying. I'm getting it now, and i dont know where my facemask is so just take my credit card and give it to me or im taking your name down and getting you fired.

 

[rteetz]

Cheaping out of providing experiences to their guests that they reasonably and safely could...not opening water parks, extremely reducing park hrs. (you know the opposite of what would be good for social distancing) etc.- If it was safety they were worried about they'd inform guests of limited bus transportation or eliminate it for a certain period of time, but instead it's financially better for them to keep the bus service and reduce park hrs. - Not about safety.

I guess I don’t see that as cheating out. Resort pools are still open. While the water parks are popular they aren’t the main draw of wdw, and certainly not something they need to have open. I expect them to open eventually though. This is a phased effort remember, more will happen over time. You can’t just open everything on the same day. WDW is basically a city.

I don’t see how limiting bus capacity is a cheap out either. You have less guests than normal at the parks and resorts, most major bus transit across the country have some sort of social distance practice procedure In place currently too. As I have said and disney has said we will get more in depth details soon.

Of course Disney wants to make money but if this was purely about money they’d open June 5th right alongside Universal.

 

[RamblingMad]

I guess you have to hope that is that this new social distance squad is there to be the middle men . Talk about a tough job, not sure how they are gonna enforce anything. Imagine when an entitled overheated gem of a person refuses to put on their mask or socially distance because they are hot and paid all this money to get in.

situation random guest sue from NY: as she disobeys all signs and walks right up the ice cream counter
I'm not waiting in a virutal que for ice cream i paid all this money to get in here and my daughter is crying. I'm getting it now, and i dont know where my facemask is so just take my credit card and give it to me or im taking your name down and getting you fired.

These people will end up shamed on Twitter. This is going to be messy.

 

[rteetz]

There will be enough people that i still see that being a huge issue. Even 50% capacity where in MK can everyone hide in pouring rain. If its not an issue then theres not enough people in the park and they won't let that happen for long. My guess would be expect a very low (too low) capacity just so it works and not bad press and then a huge uptick in capacity. They need it to work for show. Has to be a success the first week, then it will be hard with more capacity and accountants watching the costs on everything.

Skyliner , fogger is good but i still think the capacity of each party in a car and maybe every other one will hurt quite a bit. Adding buses costs money to help capacity, i think they would rather have you wait in a line.

I think Disney will be starting far under 50% capacity. Shanghai is only at 20,000 guests currently. They aren’t going to go one day 15,000 guests and next week 50,000. This is going to be slow and methodical. Chapek said that himself. Should we bring out that quote too?

The skyline capacity is better than any other Disney transportation system. Even only loading every other cabin it will be fine.

 

[GusGusTheMouse]

I guess you have to hope that is that this new social distance squad is there to be the middle men . Talk about a tough job, not sure how they are gonna enforce anything. Imagine when an entitled overheated gem of a person refuses to put on their mask or socially distance because they are hot and paid all this money to get in.

situation random guest sue from NY: as she disobeys all signs and walks right up the ice cream counter
I'm not waiting in a virutal que for ice cream i paid all this money to get in here and my daughter is crying. I'm getting it now, and i dont know where my facemask is so just take my credit card and give it to me or im taking your name down and getting you fired.

I really hope I don’t cross paths with Sue from NY... she sounds horrible

 

[rteetz]

No matter what Disney does or says they will be evil or bad or wrong to some. There is no way to please or make everyone happy. If you think Disney is "cheating out" or not caring about guest safety than by all means believe that.

 

[bb32]

The amount of Karen’s in WDW will reach epic levels.

 

[xuxa777]

they do enforce ride height rules already and as this is a safety rule stands a better chance than smoking or stroller rules

Height rule much easier to enforce than masks

 

[MrsBooch]

I don't understand the push back in this instance. I haven't talked about masks before because I figured, it is what it is. If they say to wear it, and I want to go, I wear it.

If you're (generic "you" not anyone specifically but I've seen a lot of this type of post today) upset about having to wear a mask do not come until it's no longer a requirement. If you are still upset because you feel like you are being forced to make that decision and cancel your trip ....that is because you feel entitled to your vacation. and you arent. period. you arent entitled to feel comfortable within these modified rules. You can certainly make opportunities of comfort provided you take the breaks and eat the foods etc. But no one owes you that.

People who work in Disney are entitled to feel safe while they are at work. (feel safe, maybe they are maybe they arent but hopefully they FEEL safe and they SHOULD feel that way at work, just like all of us...AT WORK) but you aren't entitled to your vacation. You aren't entitled to feel comfortable if it takes away someone else's feeling of safety in their workplace.


We know they'll open this year, remember when we were talking about the Financial guy who said not until January 2021? He was wrong - they're opening this year...YAY! We know they're taking their time and being as deliberate as possible, double YAY.

We also know this is not a normal summer, or year. So I guess my point is....just because you want a vacation on your terms and you can't get it, no one cheated you out of that. Circumstances changed, they had to pivot - we all did - it's ok to be upset about the whole, reservations to go into the parks thing bc that sounds like it might cut people out of the parks and that's not cool if you have tickets already, it's ok to be confused about the vague announcement and lack of solid details, but it's not ok be to upset about the masks anymore, i think. It's a thing that is required. Want to push back? Go yell at a Costco employee and maybe you'll end up on the news.

Don't go to Disney if you don't want to wear it. Nothing to push back on.

 

[Pickle Rick]

The extreme reduced hrs. (opposite of supporting social distancing); the decision not to open water parks because it'snot worth it to them financially. ..we'll see what else they come up with...hopefully some things for the better.

Maybe they will open water parks? Give it time. UO reduced their hours as well significantly.

 

[Jrb1979]

I hope what does come out of this is FP+ disappears permanently. In its place is a version of MaxPass.

 

[SaintsManiac]

I don't understand the push back in this instance. I haven't talked about masks before because I figured, it is what it is. If they say to wear it, and I want to go, I wear it.

If you're (generic "you" not anyone specifically but I've seen a lot of this type of post today) upset about having to wear a mask do not come until it's no longer a requirement. If you are still upset because you feel like you are being forced to make that decision and cancel your trip ....that is because you feel entitled to your vacation. and you arent. period. you arent entitled to feel comfortable within these modified rules. You can certainly make opportunities of comfort provided you take the breaks and eat the foods etc. But no one owes you that.

People who work in Disney are entitled to feel safe while they are at work. (feel safe, maybe they are maybe they arent but hopefully they FEEL safe and they SHOULD feel that way at work, just like all of us...AT WORK) but you aren't entitled to your vacation. You aren't entitled to feel comfortable if it takes away someone else's feeling of safety in their workplace.


We know they'll open this year, remember when we were talking about the Financial guy who said not until January 2021? He was wrong - they're opening this year...YAY! We know they're taking their time and being as deliberate as possible, double YAY.

We also know this is not a normal summer, or year. So I guess my point is....just because you want a vacation on your terms and you can't get it, no one cheated you out of that. Circumstances changed, they had to pivot - we all did - it's ok to be upset about the whole, reservations to go into the parks thing bc that sounds like it might cut people out of the parks and that's not cool if you have tickets already, it's ok to be confused about the vague announcement and lack of solid details, but it's not ok be to upset about the masks anymore, i think. It's a thing that is required. Want to push back? Go yell at a Costco employee and maybe you'll end up on the news.

Don't go to Disney if you don't want to wear it. Nothing to push back on.

I’ve said all along that people forget about the safety of the CMs. They are the priority here.

Well said.

Plenty of people out there want Disney anyway they can get it. If I lived closer I would go just to ride a few rides and hear the music and grab a meal.

It’s a vacation. It’s a choice. No amount of complaining is going to change how they reopen. None.