Central Park “Karen”

A few thoughts:
WW II and all of its atrocities will probably never be 100% explained or understood. Many cultures/types of people were impacted. The Jewish culture was impacted the most, by far

The woman who is the topic of this thread is probably a pretty typical entitled well to do person. I live about an hour north of NYC. Trust me, they’re everywhere in this neck of the woods.

SHE was walking her dog. SHE wanted her dog off leash in a leash zone so he could get some exercise

SHE took offense to someone who she considered “beneath her” asking her politely to leash her dog

Hence her ridiculous entitled over-reaction.

In the NYC metro area, the “haves” have a huge sense of entitlement. Heck, the “have wannabes” have a huge sense of entitlement. I’m a middle class middle aged white woman and I have gone into higher end stores looking for a “special occasion” dress and been talked down to by the 20-something salesgirl who seemed to think that SHE was better than me because she was a salesgirl in a high end store.

So yes, entitlement exists in big numbers around here.

This woman is not a sociopath. She is not mentally ill. She was attempting to use a threat to get this man, who had the nerve to think that he could tell HER what to do, to back off. Her reaction to anyone who she felt was “beneath her” telling her what to do would have been the same. The difference being that the police might be a bigger threat to an African-American man than they would be to me. If it were me asking her to leash her dog, I’m fairly certain that she would have screamed some obscenities at me, I probably would have called her an entitled look which would have ticked her off more sending her into a rage of entitled glory which I would have filmed and put on Facebook to show the world the whack job. Had she threatened to call the cops I would have said “go ahead” and continued to film.

My point being, I doubt her reaction was BECAUSE he was black. It was BECAUSE she considered him beneath her. However, her very specific statement that “I’m going to tell the police that an African-American man is threatening me” is very specific to the fact that once she got herself embroiled in it, she was looking for maximum effect.

She deserves to be embarrassed. She deserves to lose her job because how can her employer trust that she won’t react that way with clients in the future.
 
In the NYC metro area, the “haves” have a huge sense of entitlement. Heck, the “have wannabes” have a huge sense of entitlement. I’m a middle class middle aged white woman and I have gone into higher end stores looking for a “special occasion” dress and been talked down to by the 20-something salesgirl who seemed to think that SHE was better than me because she was a salesgirl in a high end store.

:lmao:I had that happen at the Macy's, 34th St store. I had to return about 4 items of clothing. I don't even think they were that high end. But the sales woman was so snooty, she made a snide comment like she thought I was a stylist for someone else, who could have afforded the clothes that got tried on, didn't fit, and I was returning for her. Then she proceeded to see my Macy's charge card. She only wanted to see the front. Not to verify the numbers as the card that was used. Again she had a snooty expression like, "Ha! I thought so." I suppose, if there are different levels of Macy's cards, she just wanted to snub me again, as having a low end account.

I pretended to be so dumb about the whole thing. As in WHY would I be buying and returning clothes for someone else? :confused3 And my card should still be working, I used it last week. :confused: She was so annoyed that I was too dumb to get her insults. :p :lmao:



My point being, I doubt her reaction was BECAUSE he was black. It was BECAUSE she considered him beneath her. However, her very specific statement that “I’m going to tell the police that an African-American man is threatening me” is very specific to the fact that once she got herself embroiled in it, she was looking for maximum effect.

She deserves to be embarrassed. She deserves to lose her job because how can her employer trust that she won’t react that way with clients in the future.

Whether it started out being about him being black or not, once she pulled the race card, it BECAME about race. She proved herself to be a racist. :mad: She knew full well what she was doing. Had a "Derek Chauvin" type police officer shown up, there could have been another "Murder by cop," aka Eric Garner incident, which is famous in this city to all residents. And Amy Cooper would have very much have been responsible for instigating it. :furious:

I have to wonder, if her job at Franklin Templeton, where she worked, was as a financial advisor or planner. If she had clients of her own and worked for commission, I hope Franklin Templeton scrupulously went over all the accounts of all her black clients to see if they suffered more losses than her white clients. Financial advisors who work on commission make money on each trade whether the client makes money or loses. Since we know she's a racist, she wouldn't care if they lost money. She's just use them to make her commission.
 
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:lmao:I had that happen at the Macy's, 34th St store. I had to return about 4 items of clothing. I don't even think they were that high end. But the sales woman was so snooty, she made a snide comment like she thought I was a stylist for someone else, who could have afforded the clothes that got tried on, didn't fit, and I was returning for her. Then she proceeded to see my Macy's charge card. She only wanted to see the front. Not to verify the numbers as the card that was used. Again she had a snooty expression like, "Ha! I thought so." I suppose, if there are different levels of Macy's cards, she just wanted to snub me again, as having a low end account.

I pretended to be so dumb about the whole thing. As in WHY would I be buying and returning clothes for someone else? :confused3 And my card should still be working, I used it last week. :confused: She was so annoyed that I was too dumb to get her insults. :p :lmao:





Whether it started out being about him being black or not, once she pulled the race card, it BECAME about race. She proved herself to be a racist. :mad: She knew full well what she was doing. Had a "Derek Chauvin" type police officer shown up, there could have been another "Murder by cop," aka Eric Garner incident, which is famous in this city to all residents. And Amy Cooper would have very much have been responsible for instigating it. :furious:

I have to wonder, if her job at Franklin Templeton, where she worked, was as a financial advisor or planner. If she had clients of her own and worked for commission, I hope Franklin Templeton scrupulously went over all the accounts of all her black clients to see if they suffered more losses than her white clients. Financial advisors who work on commission make money on each trade whether the client makes money or loses. Since we know she's a racist, she wouldn't care if they lost money. She's just use them to make her commission.

She was an asset manager at Franklin Templeton, basically a VP, and in charge of insurance portfolio management. She had previously worked for Citi as well as another financial company. I believe I read in the WSJ that a forensic investigation of her work practices and records was happening at least at Citi.

As far as my experience shopping there is only one major department store in NYC that I don't recall being spied on or treated w/ disrespect: Bergdorf Goodman's where I actually anticipated being followed before I walked in the door :lmao:. It rarely happens to me any more simply because I now shop online most of the time.
 


She was an asset manager at Franklin Templeton, basically a VP, and in charge of insurance portfolio management. She had previously worked for Citi as well as another financial company. I believe I read in the WSJ that a forensic investigation of her work practices and records was happening at least at Citi.

As far as my experience shopping there is only one major department store in NYC that I don't recall being spied on or treated w/ disrespect: Bergdorf Goodman's where I actually anticipated being followed before I walked in the door :lmao:. It rarely happens to me any more simply because I now shop online most of the time.

I don't know if I've told my experience while shopping with an African American co-worker. I worked on 34th Street until 2014. My co-worker and I would shop on our lunch hour. She'd be dressed in professional clothes while I was usually in jeans and a solid color tee shirt. (our workplace was very casual) She'd be wearing dressy shoes while I had sneakers on. I am blonde with blue eyes. We shopped in a small dress store but would separate to shop in different departments. On many occasions, I watched the store "undercover" security follow her around while they ignored me. If I remember correctly, it was a Strawberry's - remember them? Nothing fancy, but I guess they had to deal with shop lifters a lot. But they profiled her without a doubt.
 
I don't know if I've told my experience while shopping with an African American co-worker. I worked on 34th Street until 2014. My co-worker and I would shop on our lunch hour. She'd be dressed in professional clothes while I was usually in jeans and a solid color tee shirt. (our workplace was very casual) She'd be wearing dressy shoes while I had sneakers on. I am blonde with blue eyes. We shopped in a small dress store but would separate to shop in different departments. On many occasions, I watched the store "undercover" security follow her around while they ignored me. If I remember correctly, it was a Strawberry's - remember them? Nothing fancy, but I guess they had to deal with shop lifters a lot. But they profiled her without a doubt.

I am sure that happens to a lot of people, I have been followed in stores many times. Mostly because I don't look like I have any money. I just turn around and greet the person. That usually throws them off.
 
I don't know if I've told my experience while shopping with an African American co-worker. I worked on 34th Street until 2014. My co-worker and I would shop on our lunch hour. She'd be dressed in professional clothes while I was usually in jeans and a solid color tee shirt. (our workplace was very casual) She'd be wearing dressy shoes while I had sneakers on. I am blonde with blue eyes. We shopped in a small dress store but would separate to shop in different departments. On many occasions, I watched the store "undercover" security follow her around while they ignored me. If I remember correctly, it was a Strawberry's - remember them? Nothing fancy, but I guess they had to deal with shop lifters a lot. But they profiled her without a doubt.
Strawberry's and I think it's juniors' business rival was called Chuckles!
However one of the most miserable shopping experience I can recall was at a Victoria's Secret. Went there after work with my administrative asst. They used to carry a line on furnishings that were my personal favorites but were discontinuing the line so I stopped at every VS I could find to buy them. My asst was overweight and they didn't sell her size but that didn't mean she didn't enjoy the experience of the store. She brought over to me a bra she liked for my opinion (it would have been for her DD) and a sales girl snatched it out of her hand and told her sneeringly there was nothing in the store to fit her. I went all officious on the saleswoman and as there was no manager to be found (Sure. Right) wrote a detailed letter to the store's headquarters and received a fifty dollar GC for me and a 25 GC for my asst. I switched cards w/ my coworker since it made no sense to me as just a witness and teller of the story that I should receive more.

One of the first times in my existence I saw a white woman being treated poorly merely due to her apperance but the experience let me know we were all vulnerable to the vagaries of another human's perceptions and prejudices.
 


A video of another racist "Karen" has surfaced. I can't post a link to it as the female dog word gets said a lot.

Google: "TMZ Woman Who Slapped Phoenix 'Karen' Feared Racial Profiling"

to get the latest TMZ page with all the updates, including the video of "Karen's" husband, who just happens to be a lawyer, :rolleyes1 dry crying, saying "Karen" has a mental illness. :rolleyes: Scroll down the page for it. The TMZ page says, "He also tearfully apologized to Karina, and reassured her they have no plans to sue." Interesting that he acts like they would have a case, since "Karen" put her hands on the other woman first.
 
Made into NY laws today:

1.Nicknamed the "Amy Cooper" Law: Prohibits making false race-based 911 calls.

2. (Officially named) The Eric Garner Anti-chokehold Act: Bans chokeholds or the use of a similar restraint by police officers that causes injury or death. This now is a class C felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
 
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Made into NY laws today:

1.Nicknamed the "Amy Cooper" Law: Prohibits making false race-based 911 calls.

2. The Eric Garner law: Bans chokeholds or the use of a similar restraint that causes injury or death. This now is a class C felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

Can we get a law that makes it illegal to be falsely accused of racism? Those are strong accusations and it seems to be thrown around a lot. I posted before, my boss got accused of racism on social media because on opening day of the business, she was going back and forth from the back up to where the customers were, making sure everything was going smooth. Well a couple came in and she did not personally great them because she got called to the back and this couple accused her and said that she ignored them because they were black and put that all over social media. She is not racist, in fact, her future son in law(who works there) is black. That kind of false accusation can ruin a person and their business. None of this is right.
 
Can we get a law that makes it illegal to be falsely accused of racism? Those are strong accusations and it seems to be thrown around a lot. I posted before, my boss got accused of racism on social media because on opening day of the business, she was going back and forth from the back up to where the customers were, making sure everything was going smooth. Well a couple came in and she did not personally great them because she got called to the back and this couple accused her and said that she ignored them because they were black and put that all over social media. She is not racist, in fact, her future son in law(who works there) is black. That kind of false accusation can ruin a person and their business. None of this is right.

Yes, @Imzadi wrote more extensively on the new laws here:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/n...monday-9-pm-sad.3803413/page-14#post-61997899
 
Made into NY laws today:

1.Nicknamed the "Amy Cooper" Law: Prohibits making false race-based 911 calls.

2. The Eric Garner law: Bans chokeholds or the use of a similar restraint that causes injury or death. This now is a class C felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
Can you imagine being Amy Cooper and this is how your name is immortalized, LOL. I am so glad this is finally happening.
 
Can we get a law that makes it illegal to be falsely accused of racism? Those are strong accusations and it seems to be thrown around a lot. I posted before, my boss got accused of racism on social media because on opening day of the business, she was going back and forth from the back up to where the customers were, making sure everything was going smooth. Well a couple came in and she did not personally great them because she got called to the back and this couple accused her and said that she ignored them because they were black and put that all over social media. She is not racist, in fact, her future son in law(who works there) is black. That kind of false accusation can ruin a person and their business. None of this is right.


There are actually 2 more I wrote about in the other thread. 6 more laws may be coming next week. Maybe one of them covers being falsely accused of being a racist. But, maybe that is already covered under slander laws?

From what little I know by watching the NYC news, the NYC hate crime laws are really specific & fiercely enforced - when it's between 2 civilians. The news reports incidents saying it looks like a bias/racist incident. But when investigated, the NYPD usually doesn't consider it one unless race is specifically brought up during the incident. Or the incident is clearly racist, like painting a swastika on the side of a synagogue.

If your boss happened to ignore them, meaning she didn't even have an interaction, it wouldn't be considered racist in court. (However, I do get what you mean, that some people really are ignored or looked down upon, when they walk into a store, like they are abhorrent the other person. And no words are exchanged, but one knows what is happening. :mad: ) But, in court, without words or a very specific interaction between them, just being ignored could be anything. They could have had bad body odor or something. :crazy2:

Since this couple posted about your boss' and her business, your boss could do a post of her own, with some photos of her and her future SIL, in response & tag them along with whatever hashtags they used to show their accusation is baseless. The public then gets to decide for themselves.
 
@Imzadi I haven't seen any news on beefing up/reconstituting the Internal Affairs unit that civilians make complaints to; they are not very efficient in following through. Same for the infamously toothless Civilian Complaint Board. Perhaps the abolishment of 50-a will change things but I'd rather see a law/regulation be put on the books directly addressing this .
 
@Imzadi I haven't seen any news on beefing up/reconstituting the Internal Affairs unit that civilians make complaints to; they are not very efficient in following through. Same for the infamously toothless Civilian Complaint Board. Perhaps the abolishment of 50-a will change things but I'd rather see a law/regulation be put on the books directly addressing this .

That's a shame. Sounds like the ones that make it onto the news are the ones that get well researched.

The Gov. wrote some executive order yesterday, which is about reforming and reallocating police funds and resources throughout the state. I didn't post about it because I barely understand it myself. He tried to explain it 3 times today in his coronavirus news briefing. I don't think anyone got it. It sounds like a big paperwork mess to me. :headache:
 
That's a shame. Sounds like the ones that make it onto the news are the ones that get well researched.

The Gov. wrote some executive order yesterday, which is about reforming and reallocating police funds and resources throughout the state. I didn't post about it because I barely understand it myself. He tried to explain it 3 times today in his coronavirus news briefing. I don't think anyone got it. It sounds like a big paperwork mess to me. :headache:
I think those areas are under the jurisdiction of the NYC so we need to hear from the Mayor and City Council.

Errrrrrr I've been pretty lazy today and bypassed reading about the related laws still sitting on Cuomo's desk. So much info to internalize and think on in the last few days. I'm not too bad at figuring out new laws. It was a necessary part of my last position as a property manager but dear Heaven I'm so glad I'm retired from needing to translate that nonsense, LOL.
 
Judge not lest ye be judged.

Yes it looks bad but you don't know anything about her or her life or what is happening with her. You don't know if this is her on an average day or on a really terrible day. No one wants to be judged by their worst actions. Maybe she is an awful person or maybe she is not. She did issue an apology. Perhaps a side of compassion with the snark and judgement.
I'm glad you posted this. Obviously she did a terrible thing & is receiving consequences for it. But I'm not in favor of a bullying, attack-mob mentality towards any person.
 

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