Another fight and no one to stop it.

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Oh I understand there are differing opinions, but you have to understand there are different types of people in the world. You’re going to say no to the wrong person one day, you have to ask yourself if it’s worth possibly dying over someone taking a whiz and wanting to get back to their place in the queue.

A little dramatic I'd say for the situation, yeah you don't know people's reactions but you also don't know if saying yes but according to the person the wrong way gets a reaction as well. It's more likely under the breath comments set people off. Either way the conversation was about stating line cutting or not as a fact, that would be a difference of opinion that it was or wasn't.

 

[Boopuff]

I detest line cutters. I wish I was bold enough to stop them and loudly say"so you want to get past? did you ask each person if you could? Do you have permission from everyone in this line?" I'd never do it. (not to a mom with toddler in tow) but teens/adults... I wish I had the guts.

 

[nw6675]

This is about to be on Inside Edition.

ETA: Nothing to see here....just a brief mention and showing of the video. Focused more on Knotts Berry Farm's 9 fights the other day.

 

[Heroes_or_Villains]

Actually I know one more thing: none of these people have the faintest clue of how to live in a civilized world. They don't belong in public. Sorry, not sorry if that sounds harsh to some.

This is what we get when society celebrates obnoxious, over-the-top reality show behavior and encourages it to permeate sports, government, schools and business boardrooms; rewards aggressive idiots with the biggest mouths - while disparaging or ignoring those who quietly follow rules and try to do the right thing; and refuses to hold people accountable for their actions.

We glorify and reward all the wrong behaviors today - and this is one outcome of that.
Yup...I've officially become another "get off my lawn" guy!

Wholeheartedly agree. It's quite saddening to me when people working in the service industry are actually surprised when I am polite and ask them how they are doing. We've become a society that now just takes for granted all of the wonderful things it took so long to build because we don't hold people accountable for their actions. I'm glad that, at least in this instance, it seems like some of these folks were punished for their behavior.

 

[lowlight]

A little dramatic I'd say for the situation, yeah you don't know people's reactions but you also don't know if saying yes but according to the person the wrong way gets a reaction as well. It's more likely under the breath comments set people off. Either way the conversation was about stating line cutting or not as a fact, that would be a difference of opinion that it was or wasn't.

I worked with a guy who got shoved in line by a drunk guy and he fell and hit the back of his head on pavement and died, left behind a wife and 2 kids. Life is fragile, I don’t even mess around on the roads anymore with road ragers because people are nuts. Being imaginary line “cutting” police would be the dumbest way to go.

 

[CeeCee101]

I would be willing to bet there is more to the story than reported. Since that clip shows the non matching family using racist language, that's probably where the original disagreement started and we are missing some details about what happened/what was said during being passed in line, etc.

Totally agree

 

[bsmcneil]

Why on Earth would anyone argue about catching up with family in line at PhilharMagic?

Right?!!?! And were those 6th birthday shirts? What a terrible experience/memory for someone's birthday. Just holy ... wow.

 

[AustinTink]

Right?!!?! And were those 6th birthday shirts? What a terrible experience/memory for someone's birthday. Just holy ... wow.

I fear that poor baby has seen a lot in his or her life already. People who fight like that at Disney will fight anywhere anytime.

 

[MillauFr]

I detest line cutters. I wish I was bold enough to stop them and loudly say"so you want to get past? did you ask each person if you could? Do you have permission from everyone in this line?" I'd never do it. (not to a mom with toddler in tow) but teens/adults... I wish I had the guts.

It depends on who is doing the line cutting. A mom cutting through with a toddler? I'll let them pass and assume the kid had to go the bathroom. A group of 3 or 4 teenagers trying to catch up to friends??? No way they are getting past me.

 

[shh]

StephMK said:
I would be willing to bet there is more to the story than reported. Since that clip shows the non matching family using racist language, that's probably where the original disagreement started and we are missing some details about what happened/what was said during being passed in line, etc.

Totally agree

To me, what was said is irrelevant. I don't care how hateful someone gets - I don't care what slur they call me. I have the choice to walk away. The first person to get physical is at fault. Even if someone is screaming in your face, a mature adult with any sense of self control walks away, finds a CM, security, etc.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I worked with a guy who got shoved in line by a drunk guy and he fell and hit the back of his head on pavement and died, left behind a wife and 2 kids. Life is fragile, I don’t even mess around on the roads anymore with road ragers because people are nuts. Being imaginary line “cutting” police would be the dumbest way to go.

Okay but I feel like we're talking about different things. I'm not saying absolutes here or even what I would do but I don't think it helps to speak so amplified either. I'm clearly not invested enough in the what ifs here so I'll leave you to it.

 

[lowlight]

Okay but I feel like we're talking about different things. I'm not saying absolutes here or even what I would do but I don't think it helps to speak so amplified either. I'm clearly not invested enough in the what ifs here so I'll leave you to it.

Thank you.

 

[TLSnell1981]

There is no excuse for what happened ESPECIALLY in a theme park filled with kids.

 

[AndreaA]

StephMK said:
I would be willing to bet there is more to the story than reported. Since that clip shows the non matching family using racist language, that's probably where the original disagreement started and we are missing some details about what happened/what was said during being passed in line, etc.


To me, what was said is irrelevant. I don't care how hateful someone gets - I don't care what slur they call me. I have the choice to walk away. The first person to get physical is at fault. Even if someone is screaming in your face, a mature adult with any sense of self control walks away, finds a CM, security, etc.

Exactly, and I only heard any kind of swearing more than half-way through the fight. At that point, I think the people getting attacked can say whatever they please. We also have no idea if the matching shirt people had something hateful to say before they started swinging. BOTH groups are minorities.

 

[DCLMP]

Exactly, and I only heard any kind of swearing more than half-way through the fight. At that point, I think the people getting attacked can say whatever they please. We also have no idea if the matching shirt people had something hateful to say before they started swinging. BOTH groups are minorities.

When people get angry the first thing they lose control of is their mouth. We're all guilty of it. I've never been punched before so I'm not sure what kind of language would fly out of my mouth

 

[anniemae]

The TMZ video was so disturbing to watch. There were multiple fights going on. At one point it looked like a man punched a woman in the face (woman was matching shirt family), shoes were on the ground etc. I could not believe what I was watching.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

When my kids were small there were a number of times I had to exit the line to make a bathroom run for one of them. My husband was still in line with the other. As I exited the line I would apologize and explain bathroom run and then politely ask to rejoin my husband. In the rare case someone would not allow us to pass I would just wait wherever we ended up. Now that everyone are young adults if we get separated once we get to the front we step aside and wait for the rest of our party to join -- we don't ask to cut or rejoin family we just wait.
Last trip we had two small children cut us with their father on one of the rides explaining their mom was ahead. I stepped aside and let them go. Some people in front of me did not seem happy to let them pass. I politely piped up that their mother was ahead in the line and they somehow got separated. The dad smiled a thank you as the other family let them pass. I am one who always steps aside to let people pass as I don't care when I get to the ride. It also gives me time to enjoy meeting the people in line in front of me or behind me. Yes I am that person who always starts a conversation with those around me -- as my husband usually rolls his eyes at me
Not to make excuses but I do think this whole park reservation system and pay for fast pass has increased people's stress load. Perhaps a vacation that is meant to be the happiest place on earth actually puts people in a state of fight or flight. The stress of the cost along with the stress of trying to get as much in as possible might just elevate and activate the whole fear fight flight response cycle.
Maybe it's time for some to consider a beach vacation instead of disney.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I think I'll give that 6 year old a much needed birthday present. Coupons for free therapy. The kid is going to need it.

 

[robinb]

Where did you hear a slur? It was honestly hard to hear anything aside from screaming.

There sure was instigating--you don't wait for a group of people after an attraction/ride/show whatever is over unless you're instigating.

I do think after a point it goes from defense to a joint thing and that might have been why Disney banned the group who had the member of the party get out of line to get their cell phone as they were at first defending but then kept going after the initial altercation was done but that's just my guess.

Disney would have likely banned the group that got arrested too.

It really looks like mob mentality took over for both groups

I mention it here:

I just watched the video on TMZ (you know you've made it when you're on TMZ!). At around the 1:35 mark one of the non-matching family members says to the matching family, "Let it go you *expletive* monkeys. Let it go.". Wow. Just wow. I'm glad they were trespassed.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/21/disney-world-fight-family-massive-brawl-magic-kingdom/

(Edited, I relistened to the audio without watching the video. I changed the quote but the monkey reference is still there.)

 

[Marionnette]

I heard the racial slur on the video but I couldn't tell who it came from - a bystander or one of the family members. Regardless of who said it, those kinds of comments are all kinds of wrong and did nothing to de-escalate the situation. The whole scene was a disgrace and such a sad example of how our society has devolved.