Do You Consider Yourself a Feminist?

Oreo Cookie · May 16, 2019

I'm a feminist. I want to thank all the feminists that came before me that paved the way for the opportunities that I have now, and I will work towards providing more opportunities for others in the future. The road is long and we've made great progress, but there is still a good distance to go.

luvsJack · May 16, 2019

Moliphino said:
Well, a woman is not simply a scaled down male. There's different weight and muscle distribution, bone density, etc.

Other things designed for men:
PPE - safety glasses too large, safety vests/armor not made to accomodate breasts so they don't fit right, and on and on
standard tools are made for larger hands
Voice recognition doesn't recognize women's voices as well as men's

https://www.uline.com/Grp_208/Safet...VBq_ICh3zmAQoEAAYAiAAEgL7BvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.usarmor.com/products/concealable/female

When sil worked as a police officer, his partner was female. She did have a hard time with the vest and the department got her one that was made for women. She was the only female in the department so they did not have one when they hired her. I can't say it did or didn't work because he left that line of work shortly after and she moved to another county.

standard tools? Are we talking about hammers, wrenches, screw drivers? https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-women-s-tool-sets

As for voice recognition, it doesn't recognize southern either so I am out either way!

Klayfish · May 16, 2019

cabanafrau said:
That's not quite the information I've gotten from an old friend who works as an engineer for an auto company, specifically setting up the testing, calibrating the dummies, etc. to run the crash testing for about 30 years now. I'll take him at his word that the systems in place, both belts and airbags, are much better suited to taller people.

Not doubting that at all. I work on a different side of that, I'm in auto insurance claims. I do attend seminars and conferences about vehicle design, safety, etc...(besides being a car nut anyway). I'm going from decades of analyzing real life crashes. There are so many variables that come into play that it's hard to make concrete statements, but as a general rule of thumb I don't really find any difference in men vs. women getting injured or the severity of the injury. It's fairly even across the board. Cars do a phenomenal job of protection now, especially when safety equipment is used properly.

Moliphino said:
Other things designed for men:
PPE - safety glasses too large, safety vests/armor not made to accomodate breasts so they don't fit right, and on and on
standard tools are made for larger hands
Voice recognition doesn't recognize women's voices as well as men's

I'm not involved in safety glasses or tool design, however I'd have to believe that they know what their market is. If 95% of a tool companys' customers are male, don't you think they're going to be designed for a male hand? To me, that's just simple business sense, not sexism. I'm sure there are tools that would be better suited for smaller hands...but I don't know off the top of my head, I'm not a tool guy myself.

We have a lot of Amazon Alexas in our home. They have no trouble recognizing DW or DD11s voice. Plus Alexas' voice is female...should men complain that it's sexist?

pezgirlroy · May 16, 2019

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kiddo76 · May 16, 2019

Klayfish said:
We have a lot of Amazon Alexas in our home. They have no trouble recognizing DW or DD11s voice. Plus Alexas' voice is female...should men complain that it's sexist?

Yes, men should complain that a device that is designed to be at one's beck and call only comes with a female voice.

Moliphino · May 16, 2019

luvsJack said:
https://www.uline.com/Grp_208/Safety-Glasses?pricode=WG97&AdKeyword=women's safety glasses&AdMatchtype=e&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_KzW_KGg4gIVBq_ICh3zmAQoEAAYAiAAEgL7BvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.usarmor.com/products/concealable/female

When sil worked as a police officer, his partner was female. She did have a hard time with the vest and the department got her one that was made for women. She was the only female in the department so they did not have one when they hired her. I can't say it did or didn't work because he left that line of work shortly after and she moved to another county.

standard tools? Are we talking about hammers, wrenches, screw drivers? https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-women-s-tool-sets

But do all companies provide these the same way they do for men? In my experience they don't. They get the one size fits all (AKA man sized) safety glasses, ear protection, and tools and if you want something different that's on you.

cabanafrau · May 16, 2019

luvsJack said:
At the risk of repeating myself: "Now of course that is only three in a sea of women. . ."

Yet you feel so certain that these three cases you cite are factually cut and dry as you present them, precisely aligning with your views to boot. Of course setting aside the fact that you're able to definitively connect all the dots so precisely and state with definitive precision where their alleged emotional issues stem from. Can you definitively say that none of the three were predisposed to emotional issues or psychological issues prior to their abortions? After all, lack of prior indications doesn't mean that the issues weren't going to manifest in time irregardless.

I suppose three professionals could have diagnosed these women and traced their disturbances directly to their abortions, because that's how it usually works with psychological treatment. On the internet.

Klayfish · May 16, 2019

kiddo76 said:
Yes, men should complain that a device that is designed to be at one's beck and call only comes with a female voice.

Touche. Well played. :worship:

For the record, I don't truly care one way or the other. As a male, I find the female voice very soothing and lovely, so I prefer it...but it has nothing to do with being at beck and call.

luvsJack · May 16, 2019

Moliphino said:
But do all companies provide these the same way they do for men? In my experience they don't. They get the one size fits all (AKA man sized) safety glasses, ear protection, and tools and if you want something different that's on you.

Then the argument is NOT that these things do not exist but they are not provided. Which for many companies would be an OSHA violation and the company would be fined. So I am honestly not sure how the companies would get away with not providing it.

ODS works on a oil rig offshore. Very male dominated field. But they do have women. They have to provide safety equipment for these women. There is no option of not doing so. Just like they have to provide them suitable living quarters not with the men. There is no option to say "nope, you got to sleep with the men".

DH used to be in bridge construction, before he started driving a truck, and he was the foreman. He didn't have any women on his crew but he did have a couple of young, small guys that worked in summer (college students) and he had to order safety glasses, hard hats, etc. for these guys. He would have had to do the same for a woman. OSHA regulation.

amberpi · May 16, 2019

cabanafrau said:
Yet you feel so certain that these three cases you cite are factually cut and dry as you present them, precisely aligning with your views to boot. Of course setting aside the fact that you're able to definitively connect all the dots so precisely and state with definitive precision where their alleged emotional issues stem from. Can you definitively say that none of the three were predisposed to emotional issues or psychological issues prior to their abortions? After all, lack of prior indications doesn't mean that the issues weren't going to manifest in time irregardless.

I suppose three professionals could have diagnosed these women and traced their disturbances directly to their abortions, because that's how it usually works with psychological treatment. On the internet.

It's interesting how we probably just see/know about things that fit our own narrative, or the narrative we encounter shapes our opinions. Personally, I know several women who have abortions and 0 that regret it, especially in my domestic group; it's commonly discussed. I'm very glad it's never been a decision I had to face as some women are truly in awful positions when they have to make such a choice.

kiddo76 · May 16, 2019

Klayfish said:
Touche. Well played.

For the record, I don't truly care one way or the other. As a male, I find the female voice very soothing and lovely, so I prefer it...but it has nothing to do with being at beck and call.

I personally would prefer Matthew McConaughey's voice.

"Today's weather is Alright, Alright, Alright."

luvsJack · May 16, 2019

MrsPete said:
Statistics absolutely can be presented in such a way as to mislead the reader.

Here's a totally unrelated example: Not long ago our rather slimey Superintendent of Education made it very public that teachers received an average of a 7% raise. The reality is that we are starting to experience a teacher shortage in our state, and he wanted to attract new, just-out-of-college teachers, so they recieved something like a 16% raise ... while we old teachers lost longevity pay and received a raise of less than 1% ... so we actually had a pay decrease. But he let the world believe that all teachers received 7%. (Those numbers aren't quite correct, but you get the idea.) Yeah, statistics can lie; that's just one example.
Disagree. If you were talking about a single woman, yes, her continued fertility is her own business; however, if a couple has made a lifetime commitment to one another, they BOTH should have a say in all details of their lives ... and whether more children are a possibility (a very big lifetime decision) affects both spouses /should be a decision made together.

Personally, I was young when I had my second child, and the doctor asked about whether I wanted a tubal. His rule -- which was totally about covering his own butt, and I have no problem with that -- was that both spouses had to sign /notarize something MONTHS in advance, if the surgery was to be done immediately after the birth. He wanted both spouses to have a say in it, and he wanted both spouses to consider it well in advance -- not in the emotional moments after birth.

You are right. Now that I think about it, a husband should get a voice in whether there will be more children. Just like his wife should get a voice in whether he gets a vasectomy. I forget that not all married couples would be like me and dh and never dream of doing such a thing without the other's knowledge. On the same token, I think that in a lot of cases, the father of the baby should get a voice in the choice of abortion. Not all fathers, so there would need to be exceptions of course.

luvsJack · May 16, 2019

amberpi said:
It's interesting how we probably just see/know about things that fit our own narrative, or the narrative we encounter shapes our opinions. Personally, I know several women who have abortions and 0 that regret it, especially in my domestic group; it's commonly discussed. I'm very glad it's never been a decision I had to face as some women are truly in awful positions when they have to make such a choice.

you are right, our experiences shape our belief systems, IMO.

One of the women I mentioned before was very young. She truly thought she was making the right choice for her life at the time. She was so devastated afterwards. Everyone tried so hard to respect her decision and have her back but she just was so upset for months. About 6 months-a year later, she got pregnant again and had a son. Now all these years later, she has mentioned that she will always wonder if her son could have had an older brother or an older sister. Her son is 25.

emma'smom · May 16, 2019

Yes..I believe that woman should have rights...and self-worth.

pahoben · May 16, 2019

Moliphino said:
Well, a woman is not simply a scaled down male. There's different weight and muscle distribution, bone density, etc.

Other things designed for men:
PPE - safety glasses too large, safety vests/armor not made to accomodate breasts so they don't fit right, and on and on
standard tools are made for larger hands
Voice recognition doesn't recognize women's voices as well as men's

Excuse me but smaller items that you mention are just against women and not smaller men or Asians or Peruvians or Indians or Mexicans or younger males.

The fact that facial recognition software doesn’t recognize Chinese women well should be added to your list of indignities and just ignore the fact that it also doesn’t recognize Chinese men as well.

kaytieeldr · May 16, 2019

luvsJack said:
Well first I didn’t cite a problem causing product, someone else brought it up. And I did have a solution. Buy the adjuster to make it fit correctly. They aren’t expensive.

Actual cost does not matter. Seat belts (and other items) need to be designed to accommodate a great majority of users.

luvsJack said:
But obviously the statistics don’t lie and yes not making the same as a man in the same job with the same education and skill set is a problem to be addressed. That is a problem and women need to speak up about it. Equal pay for equal work should be across the board for every person regardless of gender, race, religion or any other human factor.

Should be. Absolutely. And it's great that teachers get equal pay based on tenure and responsibilities. This is untrue in many fields, ergo, the need for legally mandated equal rights.

Nancyg56 said:
I am a practicing Catholic and not pro abortion.

I am a practicing nothing, and I am pro-choice. Not my body? Not my decision.

luvsJack said:
Yeah, I was just responding to the other poster who suggested I not bring it up. I didn't bring it up.

Still, the solution is not to make me spend more money for an added device. That's unequal.

luvsJack said:
They are crash dummies, how would you like them to make them more "female"

Female build, average female height, weighted where women more typically than men carry weight...

MrsPete said:
Statistics absolutely can be presented in such a way as to mislead the reader.

: I recently had a 300% increase in my supply of canned tuna. Now i have four cans.

klayfisn said:
Sort of getting off topic, but I can say definitively that seatbelts do NOT pose a safety danger for shorter women

The shoulder belt goes across my cheek, mouth, or chin. How is this safe?

pahoben · May 16, 2019

Moliphino said:
Well, a woman is not simply a scaled down male. There's different weight and muscle distribution, bone density, etc.

Other things designed for men:
PPE - safety glasses too large, safety vests/armor not made to accomodate breasts so they don't fit right, and on and on
standard tools are made for larger hands
Voice recognition doesn't recognize women's voices as well as men's

Excuse me but smaller items that you mention are just against women and not smaller men or Asians or Peruvians or Indians or Mexicans or younger males.

The fact that facial recognition software doesn’t recognize Chinese women should be added to your list of indignities against women and just ignore the fact that it also doesn’t recognize Chinese men also.

kaytieeldr · May 16, 2019

luvsJack said:
https://www.uline.com/Grp_208/Safet...VBq_ICh3zmAQoEAAYAiAAEgL7BvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Working on the theory that the Ice model is the basic version: Stsndard Ice comes in six tints. Petite Ice? Two - clear or pink (pink not being abailable on the standard version.)

luvsJack said:
standard tools? Are we talking about hammers, wrenches, screw drivers? https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-women-s-tool-sets

Ooh! Pretty!

So they're pink, which is what makes them womens' tools. Seriously?

kaytieeldr · May 16, 2019

Couple of interesting comparisons: goods and services which cost women more than men https://www.rd.com/culture/things-that-cost-more-for-women/ and things which affect men and women differently https://www.rd.com/health/wellness/everyday-things-affect-men-and-women-differently///#card-1/

luvsJack · May 16, 2019

kaytieeldr said:
Actual cost does not matter. Seat belts (and other items) need to be designed to accommodate a great majority of users.

Should be. Absolutely. And it's great that teachers get equal pay based on tenure and responsibilities. This is untrue in many fields, ergo, the need for legally mandated equal rights.

I am a practicing nothing, and I am pro-choice. Not my body? Not my decision.

Still, the solution is not to make me spend more money for an added device. That's unequal.

Female build, average female height, weighted where women more typically than men carry weight...

: I recently had a 300% increase in my supply of canned tuna. Now i have four cans.

The shoulder belt goes across my cheek, mouth, or chin. How is this safe?

Like I said, if they can make one as safe as they can AND be adjustable for different size people, great--they should do that. You do realize that as a pp pointed out, that isn't something that is just a problem for women. Men do come in more than one size. So honestly, not a gender thing.

If you will google female crash dummies, you will find pictures of crash dummies that are more "female" than the pp described. And they are required to use them now.

I noticed you quoted another post of mine but it doesn't show anything that you said so I am not sure how to respond to that.

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