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b2k1121

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While I may not necessarily agree with them, I'm not all that surprised by people responding so negatively. American culture greatly values personal freedom, it's just the way it is, so when people are told that they can't go somewhere without wearing a mask, or that they have to stay home, they don't react well to it.
If they made masks mandatory, then people would really argue that it's going against their freedom, and they would wear masks less. Americans are contrary by nature, if you try to force them to do something they're going to not do it just because they don't like being told what to do. It's like what America was built on, to a certain extent. That's part of why everyone's so upset about the forced shutdowns to begin with.
AKA selfishness.
 

pxidst119

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I feel that masks are actually giving me my freedom back. I’m happy to be able to go out a bit more now that some precautions are in place. It’s just part of learning to live with the virus for now. We were the last state to reopen so it’s still new here and most people who are out and about all have masks on.

I feel like it’s the same as wearing a shirt out. “No shirt-no service” kind of thing. My niece is on the spectrum and hates the feeling of pants but somehow has found a way to make wearing pants manageable. I don’t think she’d be welcome walking in to establishments or restaurants without them. I think people just need some time to get used to them.
 

Starport Seven-Five

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**edited for clarity**
While I may not necessarily agree with them, I'm not all that surprised by people responding so negatively. American culture greatly values personal freedom, it's just the way it is, so when people are told that they can't go somewhere without wearing a mask, or that they have to stay home, they don't react well to it.
If they made masks mandatory, then people would really argue that it's going against their freedom, and they would wear masks less. Americans are contrary by nature, if you try to force them to do something they're going to not do it just because they don't like being told what to do. It's like what America was built on, to a certain extent. That's part of why everyone's so upset about the forced shutdowns to begin with.
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  • MATTERHORN

    <font color=purple>HA HA take that all of you unco
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    Just this week I did go inside a grocery store for the first time since mid March. Everyone had a mask on. I also had a doctors appointment 10 days ago. At at their office, you were asked to wait in your car when you arrived and call the receptionist. One of the nurses, came out and escorted me directly to one of the treatment rooms. After the appointment was over, I was escorted back outside again. They then called me to take payment information over the phone. I’ll admit that I was nervous to go, but my doctors office has taken great precautions,And he’s only had one positive case in a patient and that was back in late March.

    Yesterday, I went to the next town over to a bakery we really enjoy because of their pies. I was also hoping to support a local business. I went in wearing my mask, and the person behind the counter, who is a regular employee but not the owner asked me if I was feeling well. I said that I was and was about to order the pies. He then said, if you’re not sick there’s no reason to wear that dumb mask. So, I left without ordering any pies, and do not anticipate returning. It’s a shame, but if that was the attitude towards one customer, I’m not sure that I can trust them to really be safe.

    Good for you! I'm glad you walked out!
     

    penn19

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    Once we figure out the whole mask thing, do we think maybe we can work on getting people to use the correct entry and exit ways in aisles?
     

    ronandannette

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    Once we figure out the whole mask thing, do we think maybe we can work on getting people to use the correct entry and exit ways in aisles?
    I just got back from a big-box grocery store and noticed they have taken the directional signage off the aisles and the "stand here" spots off the floor in the check-out area. It was the same at my neighbourhood pharmacy last night. These boundaries have been defined since mid-March. We just launched Phase 1 on Monday - I find this a very curious turn of events. :scratchin People are trying their best but it struck me as a big game of "Frogger" with shoppers now uncertain of the best way to remain distanced.
     
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    Once we figure out the whole mask thing, do we think maybe we can work on getting people to use the correct entry and exit ways in aisles?
    That, at least at the grocery stores that had that here, appears to have been abandoned as quickly as it was implemented in my area at least in terms of adherence to it. We still try to follow it best we can (well the floor markings aren't lasting too long between the traffic) but I think wearing a mask is more salient and remembering to keep your distance. That few second pass between people would be lower risk and I don't want to create another internal stress by getting all upset if someone forgets, doesn't see or just doesn't want to pay attention to the markings.

    IMO it's more of a pick your battles thing. I'd personally rather have the battle be wearing masks appropriately while maintaining distance.

    But in truth sometimes we need to also keep it simple, we can say it just takes time to get used to things but as we've discovered this virus has us ever changing in what we do. I think the one-way aisles, personal opinon only here, were more salient when wearing a mask wasn't as prevalent.
     
  • penn19

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    I just got back from a big-box grocery store and noticed they have taken the directional signage off the aisles and the "stand here" spots off the floor in the check-out area. It was the same at my neighbourhood pharmacy last night. These boundaries have been defined since mid-March. We just launched Phase 1 on Monday - I find this a very curious turn of events. :scratchin People are trying their best but it struck me as a big game of "Frogger" with shoppers now uncertain of the best way to remain distanced.
    I get if the signage isn’t there but I see it with clearly marked directions on the floor. And (now I’m on a rant) why are whole families going into stores to shop? And elderly people? And morbidly obese people on their ECV’s. These are the people we are trying to protect by taking all these measures. And they seem to not care.
     

    Diznygrl

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    Ha, don't even get me started on the one way aisles. I wear a mask, I stay six feet away when possible....but those stupid one way aisles, man. In the stores I've been in that have them, 99% of people do not go the right way anyway. I think they're illogical and annoying, and if the store is limiting the amount of customers in a store at one time, it's not likely that any given aisle is going to be that crowded to begin with that it's so dangerous to cross paths with another person for a half a second while going the opposite direction. I could just as easily have someone going in the same direction as me who will not maintain proper distance while we both look at the shelves, or they walk around me to get to a different spot in the aisle, which makes it no different than someone who would be coming the opposite direction. :rolleyes:
     

    disneychrista

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    Dec 26, 2002
    Ha, don't even get me started on the one way aisles.
    I love the idea of of one way aisles in theory. In practice they don’t work so well. I’m not one to go up and down each aisle but am finding I have to now. It also doesn’t help when 2/3rds (being generous here) of the people are going the wrong way.
     

    mi*vida*loca

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    I get if the signage isn’t there but I see it with clearly marked directions on the floor. And (now I’m on a rant) why are whole families going into stores to shop? And elderly people? And morbidly obese people on their ECV’s. These are the people we are trying to protect by taking all these measures. And they seem to not care.
    How else are the elderly and obese supposed to shop? Not everywhere has slots for grocery delivery available. Elderly have a hard time working with technology and ordering online. We can barely get them to do a telemed call. I can’t even imagine them grocery shopping online.

    Also with the one way arrows in grocery stores....I don’t look at the floor when I shop. I completely forget they are there. I’m always going up the wrong way.

    And why does my super Walmart have them in the grocery section but no where else in the store. Makes no sense.
     
  • easyas123

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    I must admit, I’ve been in that 2/3 category more than once. Not for any reason other than- at least at the stores local to me- the “signage” is just stickers on the ground. By the time I get to the store, park, walk up, realize I forgot my mask, go back to car to get it, go back in the store, try to find the items on my list while the days events or to-do lists are churning in my head... combined with 30 years of ingrained go down any aisle in store mentality, well I FORGET! No it’s not hard to do, figure out or generally remember, but geez, these days my brain is sometimes occupied with other equally important things.
    Plus I usually do my grocery shopping with my head up, I’m not looking down at floor for directions! I usually notice my error 3 or 4 aisles in and correct if I’m going wrong way.
     

    mi*vida*loca

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    I must admit, I’ve been in that 2/3 category more than once. Not for any reason other than- at least at the stores local to me- the “signage” is just stickers on the ground. By the time I get to the store, park, walk up, realize I forgot my mask, go back to car to get it, go back in the store, try to find the items on my list while the days events or to-do lists are churning in my head... combined with 30 years of ingrained go down any aisle in store mentality, well I FORGET! No it’s not hard to do, figure out or generally remember, but geez, these days my brain is sometimes occupied with other equally important things.
    Plus I usually do my grocery shopping with my head up, I’m not looking down at floor for directions! I usually notice my error 3 or 4 aisles in and correct if I’m going wrong way.
    Yes exactly this. I’m still working full time plus everything else running through my mind. What direction to go up the aisle isn’t the first thing on my mind. I’m always forgetting my mask too. I guess the positive in that is that I get additional steps in. My store also ONLY has the signage on the floor.
     

    Disneylover99

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    And why does my super Walmart have them in the grocery section but no where else in the store. Makes no sense.
    My guess is that the grocery sections are the busier sections, and the places where most people use carts, so they’re trying to encourage social distancing here. There are lots of aisles, sections in Walmart’s that don’t get much traffic, so marked directions aren’t really necessary.
     
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    I get if the signage isn’t there but I see it with clearly marked directions on the floor. And (now I’m on a rant) why are whole families going into stores to shop? And elderly people? And morbidly obese people on their ECV’s. These are the people we are trying to protect by taking all these measures. And they seem to not care.
    Methinks your rant is no longer related to COVID-19 but rather how you really feel about certain segments of the population...
     

    easyas123

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    Yes exactly this. I’m still working full time plus everything else running through my mind. What direction to go up the aisle isn’t the first thing on my mind. I’m always forgetting my mask too. I guess the positive in that is that I get additional steps in. My store also ONLY has the signage on the floor.
    YES, Thank You! You get it exactly!
     

    TiggerTrigger

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    We are gradually going out and doing more as things reopen, but things also were never as strict here as other parts of the country. Masks aren't mandatory and I haven't seen any stores with one way aisles. At this point, I think our restaurants and retail are at 50% capacity, bars have been allowed to reopen as well as gyms and salons, and starting next week...sports teams can start practicing (with actual games and tournaments allowed by mid June). Even the kids' orthodontist is opening next week (they are not excited 😂). I know many people who aren't comfortable leaving their homes for any reason. I don't think any of them have any conditions that would put them at higher risk, but they're doing what makes them comfortable. I don't shame them...they don't shame me. We still wear masks, try to distance when possible, and haven't embraced all that's reopened (may try dining out this weekend), but we're taking baby steps with all of it. I'm still cutting my husband's hair. LOL I loathe online grocery shopping and DH likes Costco, so we were still hitting these spots 1-2x per week even before reopening started. We've also been getting take out at least once a week, which usually meant going into a restaurant. We also take joy rides and find good parks for hiking for changes of scenery. I think just these little weekly things have made us a bit less fearful of being out. Some people may think it's crazy, but we're still planning on a vacation in July. It's not what we originally had in mind, but it's a road trip and will be taking precautions to stay as safe as possible.
     

    mi*vida*loca

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    My guess is that the grocery sections are the busier sections, and the places where most people use carts, so they’re trying to encourage social distancing here. There are lots of aisles, sections in Walmart’s that don’t get much traffic, so marked directions aren’t really necessary.
    My super Walmart isn’t very big compared to other super Walmart’s. It’s pretty small. The toiletry and household (pots pans blankets pillows etc.) areas get very crowded. The aisles are more narrow there too. You’re literally on top of each other in that area With no signage. The grocery area is much more spacious with wider aisles.
     

    pearlieq

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    And (now I’m on a rant) why are whole families going into stores to shop? And elderly people? And morbidly obese people on their ECV’s.
    Would you like to set an acceptable family size, age, and weight for going to the grocery store that could be disseminated to the media? Or would it be more convenient if we had families contact you directly to get authorization for shopping?
     

    Diznygrl

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    Both the regular Walmart and Super Walmart I go to have the arrows on ALL the aisles, not just grocery. :headache:

    The other day I just wanted to look at thread. Walk down the "main" aisle looking for the aisle with thread, I find the thread display, and it's at my end, about one foot away from where I'm standing. But I look down and it tells me that this is the "do not enter" side. Yeah, no, I am NOT going to walk all the way down the next aisle over and all the way up again just to get to something that is literally one foot away from where I'm standing. :crazy: There was no one else around, so I broke the rules. :ssst: If there was someone else there looking at thread, or right near the thread, I would step away and wait for them to be done before I go over, but even if there was someone looking at something further down the aisle (6+ feet), I'm still going to take the two steps in the "wrong" direction before I go all the way around. :rolleyes1 I prefer to assess the situation and use my own best judgement.

    Like I said before, I will adhere to the social distancing measures that many businesses have put into place, as I tend to agree with most of them. But one way aisles are something I just can't get behind.
     
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