College entrance cheating scandal

I am so obsessed with this case:rotfl:

This morning the Today Show talked about Jane Buckingham and how she hired a person to take her son's ACT. She even sent this person samples of her son's handwriting. This person scored an amazing 35 for her son!

But they also showed clips of Jane Buckingham telling others not to lie on their resume, and posted on Twitter in all caps "DON"T CHEAT!":scratchin

What a puke.

These people are psychotic and lead very double lives.
 
Are we supposed to believe that these students (who couldn't get into these schools on their own merit) aren't cheating now? If they weren't smart enough to get in, I doubt they are bright enough to excel once they are in.
For sure they are cheating. I said upthread that I hope professors now have more control over the Country Club Kids. I am sure some are terrified of being fired if they dare call out one of these kids. Money=Power
 
I am so obsessed with this case:rotfl:

This morning the Today Show talked about Jane Buckingham and how she hired a person to take her son's ACT. She even sent this person samples of her son's handwriting. This person scored an amazing 35 for her son!

But they also showed clips of Jane Buckingham telling others not to lie on their resume, and posted on Twitter in all caps "DON"T CHEAT!":scratchin

What a puke.

These people are psychotic and lead very double lives.

People are definitely having a field day going through old quotes and interviews of the folks involved with the case. There's been some fun stuff unearthed by people so far :p
 
The article I read says that bribes were also paid to people with the ACT and SAT organizations so that the guy in Florida could submit a test he did with the applicants name on it. Some of the bribes paid were pretty ridiculous. A rowing coach got $400 k. A Tennis Coach nearly the same. I can imagine that they get paid very little (being non revenue sports) and that those kinds of numbers could certainly get them to do things. Paying money to get your kid into USC seems like a waste. (I know i will get bashed for that one)

As others have pointed out the value of an Ivy League Education is not in the education part, it is in the opening of doors, the connections, the possibilities it creates. I am from Texas and the two big schools are University of Texas and Texas A&M. There is tremendous value in degrees from either of those with limitations. If you want to work and live in Texas upon graduation they are the best degrees to have. Move out of state and they carry much less weight. I am sure that is applicable all over the country for certain state schools. Ivy League transends them because it is nationally and internationally valued.

I just laugh as these things happen because they will always happen. The rich will always use there wealth, power and position to their advantage. It has always been this way and nothing I see moving forward will change that. I am just a little happier and a little satisfied today that this has been exposed. It won't mean a thing to any kid that didn't get their school of choice but it at least knocks a little shine off some elites.

As a Notre Dame fan, my horror at this story is a little overshadowed by my schadenfreude when hearing comments like this about UCS :-)
 


It's all just so disgusting. The thing that especially irks me is that some of these kids "faked" learning disabilities (they were told to "act stupid") in order to get DOUBLE the normally allocated amount of time to take entrance exams...so they could be "proctored" by a friendly proctor who either completed the exam themselves, or "corrected" it for the student after the fact. I don't even know how that happens! My son's accommodations were hard fought....not easy to get, and getting DOUBLE the time, spread over multiple days is just absurd.

My kid has an ACTUAL disability (high functioning autism), and he's far from "stupid". He scored a 34 on the ACT all on his own, taking NO extra time to do so (although he's entitled to 25% more time because of processing speed issues....in other words, he's wildly accurate and wildly intelligent, he just needs a little more time to get there), and sitting in the same room as everyone else (despite the fact that his autism means he has sensory issues which make it very difficult for him to concentrate in rooms where there is ambient noise and other distractions). He refuses the extra time he's entitled to take because he believes people will think less of him and his degree will mean less than other people's degrees. He also refuses the accommodation he has that allows him to take exams in a quiet room. And, he's not wrong. Apparently, lots of the world thinks people with learning issues are "stupid." My son obviously gets that, and won't take the help his autism ACTUALLY entitles him to take. People with actual learning disabilities are another set of people hurt by this scandal.

If those kids are allowed to continue in schools they are not qualified to attend, it's going to make me angry all over again. I don't feel the LEAST bit sorry for those over privileged brats.
 
My DH attended a very large high school, full of overachievers with parents who nearly all had college degrees, and where virtually everyone went on to a prestigious university. BIL was thisclose to being valedictorian, but was edged out by a guy who had a reputation for cheating. BIL wouldn't have been bothered to have been legitimately beaten, but it bugged him to come in second to a known cheater when BIL didn't cheat. Eventually, cheater became a doctor and wound up where we live.

Years later, I'd had surgery and had to go see a specialist afterward. The referring doctor told me the name of the practice and I recognized cheater's name. So I asked WHICH doctor I'd be seeing there and it was a different doctor. Whew. He sensed my relief and asked why. I just told him that I knew way too much about one of the doctors in the practice and wasn't going to see that one.

I figure if he cheated all the way through high school, there's a good chance he cheated in college and med school. No way I'm going to him.

This!! I worked at a prestigious University hospital so there were medical students and resident physicians. No way did some of them get into and graduate on their own merits, skill and intelligence. The running comment in the hospital was `no ever fails medical school`, once your in they make sure you graduate one way or another. Very sad.
The fraud in the education systems is everywhere, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder if all colleges/universities will do their own investigations? Maybe not because the admissions committees are the problem, IMHO.
 


This!! I worked at a prestigious University hospital so there were medical students and resident physicians. No way did some of them get into and graduate on their own merits, skill and intelligence. The running comment in the hospital was `no ever fails medical school`, once your in they make sure you graduate one way or another. Very sad.
The fraud in the education systems is everywhere, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder if all colleges/universities will do their own investigations? Maybe not because the admissions committees are the problem, IMHO.
Yikes! What can we learn from this......don’t go to a doctor whose family comes from money, power and influence.
 
Doesn't quite have the name recognition of Yale or Stanford though.

Maybe in the general public but people in the academic community have know for many years that often Ivy league graduates got their admission (at least) handed to them.
You can always go to Harvard if you apply with saying you have full tuition paid for and require no assistance.
How do you think all of these actors got into Ivy league schools?
Often it is very apparent that those graduates did not make it on their academic merits.
 
Yep, this is all just horrible.
But, you know what....
NOTHING NEW HERE.....
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS GOING ON, and I think that this contributes to feeling that one really has to pull this stuff to even have a chance.

Bottom line for me. Privilege often comes with perks... Just the way it is.
But the actual 'cheating' scandals... That is just reprehensible.
 
Yep, this is all just horrible.
But, you know what....
NOTHING NEW HERE.....
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS GOING ON, and I think that this contributes to feeling that one really has to pull this stuff to even have a chance.

Bottom line for me. Privilege often comes with perks... Just the way it is.
But the actual 'cheating' scandals... That is just reprehensible.

It is all cheating on some level.....
 
Yikes! What can we learn from this......don’t go to a doctor whose family comes from money, power and influence.
I really can't agree with this. I've worked with Harvard Medical School students and graduates, and medical graduates from many of the other top medical schools, virtually my entire career in nursing, and I feel comfortable with the vast majority of them, whose minds are really incredible. My only tip would be to pick one who has a bedside manner you really like.

ETA I should probably add that my sister is a graduate of a top law school and you would never know where she went to school, it's not something she talks about, generally. She also fought her way into her all of her [top] educational choices, nothing was handed to her, or to me. Same with my own kids, one of whom is a collegiate athlete who had to perform in front of a team of coaches for six hours AND submit ten videos of himself actually playing the game. :laughing: He did not get a penny of scholarship or merit money, either; he plays for the love of the game. I am lmao of the thought of one picture in a boat or something being submitted as proof of athletic ability!
 
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I really can't agree with this. I've worked with Harvard Medical School students and graduates, and medical graduates from many of the other top medical schools, virtually my entire career in nursing, and I feel comfortable with the vast majority of them, whose minds are really incredible. My only tip would be to pick one who has a bedside manner you really like.
That’s good to know, but I’m not putting down Harvard. I’m talking about the people who bought their way in. If you’re meeting dedicated, intelligent doctors, that’s very reassuring. :)
 
Here the thing to me.
Obviously these kids are well well off.
So they would kind of bring interest (fund raising/endorsing) from much of the higher ups in the schools.
So I do find it odd tht the schools did not put the pieces together on their own.
Sad ting in part they want these kids there both for there own networking and fund raising.
 
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Yes, I agree about the bedside manner.
Hard to find that the best medical 'minds' who also have people-skills!!!!
I really don't think so! There are many! We work hand in hand, shift after shift, and I find the majority to be pretty nice people AND extremely competent. Just to assure people out there in light of this situation.
 
That’s good to know, but I’m not putting down Harvard. I’m talking about the people who bought their way in. If you’re meeting dedicated, intelligent doctors, that’s very reassuring. :)
I know you weren't, I was just saying Harvard because it's been mentioned here and that is where my experience lies. And I'm talking thousands of doctors over a thirty-plus year career. I'm sure many have come from wealthy and legacy families, but I don't think they'd be able to get where they are and stay where they are were they not very competent; they'd be figured out quite easily and reported by peers, coworkers, patients and families.
 
Senior associate athletic director sounds pretty high up - I'd have to believe this would fall under NCAA's definition of lack of institutional control.

The NCAA regulates student athletes and recruiting of student athletes. As it turns out, there is no NCAA rule against deceiving your own admissions office into believing a kid is an athlete when in fact they are not.


The class action lawsuit is as corrupt a thing as the admissions scandal if not more. I didn't file a lawsuit but ended up part of the class in a class action suit. I got a coupon for $50 off my next airfare. That's $50 off the full price. As I don't pay full fare but discounted fare anyway, it was completely useless. Hurrah!! We won. We really stuck it to em!!! We got a coupon that if used will result in the airline getting a higher fare from us!!! Oh boy!!!
This one will probably end up similar. Hurrah!! We won. We really stuck it to em!! Everyone gets a coupon for 10% off one book at the University Bookstore. Oh wait. We've already graduated and have no need of a book from there. Meanwhile the Lawyers rack up millions in attorneys fees.
 
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ucla does'nt seem to be concerned with the aspect of any of the students being minors at the time of application, their released statement reads-

“If UCLA discovers that any prospective, admitted, or enrolled student has misrepresented any aspect of his/her application, or that information about the applicant has been withheld, UCLA may take a number of disciplinary actions, up to and including cancellation of admission."

AND THE LAWSUITS HAVE STARTED-according to abc news:

The massive college admissions scam that snared 50 people in a federal indictment, including two high-profile actresses, has prompted a class-action lawsuit filed by two California college students.

The suit was filed Tuesday in a Northern California federal court by two students at Stanford University, one of the eight elite colleges named in the lawsuit, all of which had associated individuals implicated in the bribery case.

In the suit, students Erica Olsen and Kalea Woods claimed they both went through the legitimate and rigorous admissions process to Stanford and were "never informed that the process of admission was an unfair, rigged process, in which rich parents could buy their way into the university through bribery."

The suit also names as defendants the University of Southern California, UCLA, the University of San Diego, the University of Texas, Wake Forest University, Yale University and Georgetown University.

The college admissions scam investigation said that people associated with various athletic teams at each of those schools were involved in getting students admission.


Olsen, according to the lawsuit, applied to Yale University in 2017, submitting "stellar standardized test score, and a glowing profile that including being a talented athlete and dancer.

Olsen noted that she paid an application fee of approximately $80, according to the suit.

"Had she known that the system at Yale University was warped and rigged by fraud, she would not have spent the money to apply to the school," the lawsuit states. "She also did not receive what she paid for — a fair admissions consideration process."

Olsen contends she had been damaged by the admissions scandal because her degree from Stanford "is now not worth as much as it was before, because prospective employers may now question whether she was admitted to the university on her own merits, versus having parents who were willing to bribe school officials."


popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::
 

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