Coronavirus and DCL Megathread - Cruises embarking prior to Sept 15th on Dream & Fantasy; September 14th on Wonder; October 2nd on Magic are cancelled

_auroraborealis_

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With all of the rules put in place for the WDW opening I am not optimistic about DCL sailing anytime soon. I don't see how this would translate to a cruise ship.
Well, it is worth mentioning that most CMs at WDW are union-represented and employed under US law.

DCL CMs have no union to negotiate protection, and the purpose of DCL flagging their ships non-US is to avoid US employment law.

DCL already has had lower protection standards for their CMs, so WDW's terms may not represent what DCL will do.
 

Chrissy-Mickey

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Shanghai Disneyland and Disneyworld in Orlando are good to go. The only other ones I know of are the following:

1.Disneyland California
2.Tokyo Disneyland
3.Disneyland Paris
4.Hong Kong Disneyland
They actually had an update regarding Paris: (the link was blocked, but the news was today at WDW News Today. Currently posted on their main page).

Paris will allow theme parks to open June 22. Disneyland Paris so far had canceled thru July 14th (no week by week cancelation like in WDW). This gives them quite some time to prepare and open mid-July even with their conservative Disney scheduling.
 

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  • T & R

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    Paris will allow theme parks to open June 22
    That's good news. I also read that Japan has lifted their state of emergency and have allowed theme parks to reopen. No word from Disney yet but they can now reopen in Japan if they choose to. The list of Disney parks is getting checked off, hopefully they will make it around to DCL soon.
     

    EddieK76

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    I'm just hoping that my cruise that masks are not required or if they are only in shows and perhaps the terminal area. I don't want to spend my relaxing vacation wearing a mask especially when it's our first cruise and it's for our 20th anniversary.
     

    tee11

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    Yes, I have thought about this, too. It is not possible to distance at all. Plus, other countries would have to give permission for the ships to dock... which they may not want.... so I could see at some point perhaps it all would start again with a "cruise to nowhere", but people are booked on certain itineries.... it's really, really tough.
    With all of the rules put in place for the WDW opening I am not optimistic about DCL sailing anytime soon. I don't see how this would translate to a cruise ship.
     

    LizzyDragon

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    ...so I could see at some point perhaps it all would start again with a "cruise to nowhere", but people are booked on certain itineries.... it's really, really tough.
    The PSVA prevents foreign-flagged vessels from doing cruises to nowhere. Now, if the Bahamas is ok with cruise ships coming in, Disney can at least do the 3/4-night sailings out of Port Canaveral that go only to Nassau and Castaway Cay.
     

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  • DCLDVC1

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    Yes, I have thought about this, too. It is not possible to distance at all. Plus, other countries would have to give permission for the ships to dock... which they may not want.... so I could see at some point perhaps it all would start again with a "cruise to nowhere", but people are booked on certain itineries.... it's really, really tough.
    Agreed. It would take all day just to check in at the terminal and board the ship. Debarkation would be a nightmare.
     

    tee11

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    Oh, I hadn't remembered that. Somehow I recall regular Carnival Cruise Lines cruises to nowhere from FL... aren't they Bahamas flagged as well?
    The PSVA prevents foreign-flagged vessels from doing cruises to nowhere. Now, if the Bahamas is ok with cruise ships coming in, Disney can at least do the 3/4-night sailings out of Port Canaveral that go only to Nassau and Castaway Cay.
     

    Karin1984

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    That's good news. I also read that Japan has lifted their state of emergency and have allowed theme parks to reopen. No word from Disney yet but they can now reopen in Japan if they choose to. The list of Disney parks is getting checked off, hopefully they will make it around to DCL soon.
    Tokyo's Downtown Disney (Ikspiari) will reopen June 11th.

    My guess for Paris is that they will do Disneyland Park and Disney Village together. And I can see the Studios being closed longer if shows are not allowed. With all the construction work going on.
     

    4077

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    My opinion (because of the very truthful feeling that social distance seems close to impossible on a cruise ship) is they WILL in fact require masks because of the close quarters... whether anyone believes it helps or not.. while certainly it may not be possible to do every new procedure on a 1:1 basis from parks to ships... masks, changes to buffet, etc are very easy and very visible easy 1:1 requirements. I do not believe, IMO, Disney will (or frankly could) have people required to wear masks in park bit not on ships...
     
  • T & R

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    they WILL in fact require masks because of the close quarters
    Generally businesses do not make rules they cannot enforce. The parks and resorts can require a mask because if you fail to comply, they'll just escort you right off the property. A ship would be entirely different, can't exactly make you walk the plank. They could just ban you from future cruises but there are a lot of one and done cruisers on the 3/4 Bahama cruise. So a DCL ban really wouldn't be a stick to use for enforcing the mask rule on these people. Also, how would that even work at Sky Bar or Meridian, would you suck your jack & coke through the mask?

    I can see masks handed out while embarking or debarking and possibly even at the theater but requiring them the length of the cruise would unpopular, unreasonable and unenforceable.
     

    vegs1

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    Generally businesses do not make rules they cannot enforce. The parks and resorts can require a mask because if you fail to comply, they'll just escort you right off the property. A ship would be entirely different, can't exactly make you walk the plank. They could just ban you from future cruises but there are a lot of one and done cruisers on the 3/4 Bahama cruise. So a DCL ban really wouldn't be a stick to use for enforcing the mask rule on these people. Also, how would that even work at Sky Bar or Meridian, would you suck your jack & coke through the mask?

    I can see masks handed out while embarking or debarking and possibly even at the theater but requiring them the length of the cruise would unpopular, unreasonable and unenforceable.
    They could require those who don’t comply to be restricted to their cabins. I sure hope people don’t go on intending to not comply. If they don’t like the rules DCL imposes, they should just stay home until things open up completely.
     

    SamFaniam

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    Oh, I hadn't remembered that. Somehow I recall regular Carnival Cruise Lines cruises to nowhere from FL... aren't they Bahamas flagged as well?
    they used to, but not anymore. Even Disney’s two night cruise stops in Ensenada.

    They could require those who don’t comply to be restricted to their cabins. I sure hope people don’t go on intending to not comply. If they don’t like the rules DCL imposes, they should just stay home until things open up completely.
    I am afraid there would be people boarding the cruise intending not to comply. The same people that put a flip-flop on a chair by the pool to claim it for the day.. The same people who sent two teenagers to the theater half an hour ahead to save the whole third row for their family and friends. The same people who take their non-potty trained children into the pools.
     

    vegs1

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    they used to, but not anymore. Even Disney’s two night cruise stops in Ensenada.



    I am afraid there would be people boarding the cruise intending not to comply. The same people that put a flip-flop on a chair by the pool to claim it for the day.. The same people who sent two teenagers to the theater half an hour ahead to save the whole third row for their family and friends. The same people who take their non-potty trained children into the pools.
    I hear you! I was merely stating my hopes but I know those people are out there and that it will happen.
     

    tee11

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    Generally businesses do not make rules they cannot enforce. The parks and resorts can require a mask because if you fail to comply, they'll just escort you right off the property. A ship would be entirely different, can't exactly make you walk the plank. They could just ban you from future cruises but there are a lot of one and done cruisers on the 3/4 Bahama cruise. So a DCL ban really wouldn't be a stick to use for enforcing the mask rule on these people. Also, how would that even work at Sky Bar or Meridian, would you suck your jack & coke through the mask?

    I can see masks handed out while embarking or debarking and possibly even at the theater but requiring them the length of the cruise would unpopular, unreasonable and unenforceable.
    I don't see it in any of the venues where you have food or drinks or snacks - which is... everywhere. Also what about the kids onboard and the youth services?

    So, imo you are right, it's a totally different situation on land, where you can leave or be asked to leave any moment, and also there is immediate access to highest levels of medical care for assessment as well as treatment. Another aspect is that many transmissions have been attributed to indoor settings, and much of the cruise is spent in their indoor spaces, while most of the park days are overall spent outdoors.
     

    4077

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    but requiring them the length of the cruise would unpopular
    I agree with this....

    They could require those who don’t comply to be restricted to their cabins.
    I also believe this would be the “asking you to leave” solution.

    i don’t like the masks, either, but I believe it is reality... regardless of how different we see parks vs. ships... my opinion is Disney cannot do one but not the other regardless of which rules or laws or whatever are valid in US vs. foreign registered and so on. In regards to eating and drinking... same on land or ship... you can remove or lower to do both. Obviously at those times, the benefit of masks has been totally removed, but they were never meant to be the absolute 100% stopper of anything anyway... nothing will stop or protect completely... always risk... at same time, steps taken can reduce (if even slightly) some risk. I am a middle grounder as I am in all other things... I think absolutes (whether absolute no it won’t help anything or absolutely it will stop it all are way wrong... IMO).
     

    KVH

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    they used to, but not anymore. Even Disney’s two night cruise stops in Ensenada.



    I am afraid there would be people boarding the cruise intending not to comply. The same people that put a flip-flop on a chair by the pool to claim it for the day.. The same people who sent two teenagers to the theater half an hour ahead to save the whole third row for their family and friends.
    The same people who take their non-potty trained children into the pools.
    Thanks awfully for the unwanted mental image reminder . . .:sad2:
     

    MomOTwins

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    Oh my gosh, I just need to say... pretty much all hope gone at this point for our August land/sea trip. We just lost our free dining and all of our ADRs. I never ever imagined they would do that--I was resigned that maybe we'd lose some ADRs at popular restaurants, but still could use our free dining at quick service or a different TS restaurant. But if they are going to just take away something like the dining plan, what they heck are they going to for cruises? Seems like anything is on the table at the moment. Maybe no castaway cay, no evening shows, no pirate night. I feel like I was content with pretty much everything they announced up until now, but this just stings.
     

    AquaDame

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    Oh my gosh, I just need to say... pretty much all hope gone at this point for our August land/sea trip. We just lost our free dining and all of our ADRs. I never ever imagined they would do that--I was resigned that maybe we'd lose some ADRs at popular restaurants, but still could use our free dining at quick service or a different TS restaurant. But if they are going to just take away something like the dining plan, what they heck are they going to for cruises? Seems like anything is on the table at the moment. Maybe no castaway cay, no evening shows, no pirate night. I feel like I was content with pretty much everything they announced up until now, but this just stings.
    Oh thats awful... I take it there were nothing done to offset losing that or allow you to reschedule for the offer later? I knew ADRs and FP+ were dropped but seems like they could at least still give out the QSDP for free since you booked the package.
     




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