DAS for Rise of the Resistance?

[krayzie]

What do you mean shuttles? If the parks are open earlier, then the transportation from the resorts start earlier.

The shuttles don't start early enough to join in the HS craziness.

 

[Heather07438]

The shuttles don't start early enough to join in the HS craziness.

Tomorrow the resort buses are scheduled to start 5:15a for the EMH at HS.

 

[krayzie]

Tomorrow the resort buses are scheduled to start 5:15a for the EMH at HS.

Yeah, they are opening at 6AM for EMH Sunday. Supposedly the boarding groups won't open until regular park opening which might be a disaster due to their server capabilities. Right now Sunday is the best day to go with shuttle support unless they change the time they start the boarding groups.

 

[Heather07438]

Yeah, they are opening at 6AM for EMH Sunday. Supposedly the boarding groups won't open until regular park opening which might be a disaster due to their server capabilities. Right now Sunday is the best day to go with shuttle support unless they change the time they start the boarding groups.

Ralph is gonna break the internet!

 

[Belle1962]

Can someone clear up the steps to be assigned to a BG? It appears the first step is getting thru the turnstile so your park pass is scanned, correct? THEN you have the option of either a) going immediately into your MDE app and being assigned to a group OR b) finding one of the CM stands and waiting in line there to be assigned a group, is that correct? If everyone from your family has entered the studios do they ALL need to wait in line to be assigned a group or can one person take all of the magic bands?

 

[krayzie]

Can someone clear up the steps to be assigned to a BG? It appears the first step is getting thru the turnstile so your park pass is scanned, correct? THEN you have the option of either a) going immediately into your MDE app and being assigned to a group OR b) finding one of the CM stands and waiting in line there to be assigned a group, is that correct? If everyone from your family has entered the studios do they ALL need to wait in line to be assigned a group or can one person take all of the magic bands?

I don't know how the CM stands work with mulitple people but doing it via the app is probably the fastest method.

 

[Belle1962]

Thanks krayzie. I think the MDE app is where “equal access” and “fair” come into play for people who are so worried about someone else being “given” an “advantage”. Everyone, abled or not, can and has the choice to use the MDE app. But it does bring into play the “what if the servers are bonkers because of heavy volume” scenarios.

 

[krayzie]

Thanks krayzie. I think the MDE app is where “equal access” and “fair” come into play for people who are so worried about someone else being “given” an “advantage”. Everyone, abled or not, can and has the choice to use the MDE app. But it does bring into play the “what if the servers are bonkers because of heavy volume” scenarios.

I hope they have a good plan because they are going to have a ton of people refreshing the MDE app every second trying to get a boarding group starting at like 7:55AM lol

 

[StarGirl11]

While I agree that those who can’t handle opening crowds (I am one of them) are at a disadvantage, being able to have special access wouldn’t be an advantage to me. That entire area is going to be super crowded and anyone who needs to avoid the crowds needs to avoid the entire area until things settle down. I wouldn’t even attempt going there. I think Disney goes above what is required by ADA to assist those of us with disabilities. I often wonder how all these people especially those with sensory issues are able to ride all the rides and be in the parks all day long. Just entering Disney on a normal day is sensory overload. Believe it or not, it is often this way for people without disabilities. Disney can be exhausting for anyone not just those of us with disabilities.
As far as mobility/standing issues there is a solution for that - you can always utilize a wheelchair.

Actually reports in the other threads have been saying the land crowds haven’t been any worse then normal from what I’ve seen.

A couple of other things. I can’t speak for others but for myself:

1. How much I can handle varies wildly from day to day. What I might be okay with one day I might not the next.
2. While I have a standing problem it isn’t a sensory problem. Not everyone who has DAS has that. My biggest DAS issue is limiting exposure to migraine triggers.
3. Rollator or an ECV still the better option. Not everyone comes to Disney with company. And I sure the heck can’t push a chair and I know I’m not the only option.

Honestly I wonder if some of this could be solved by a handicapped only line. But then you would have to worry about people who don’t need it using it...

Or maybe have an option that ties the DAS into the boarding system so with a DAS party not everyone needs to be present in the park just someone needs to be there to grab the boarding pass for the party.

 

[DisneyOma]

Honestly the current system is really not very friendly to those with disabilities. with the boarding group system you have to get into the park super early and wait in some crazy lines just to get in a boarding group. Making people who can’t wait in lines wait in line to get a boarding group is a problem. Everyone with a disability should be emailing disney about it being an issue.

No, you just have to get into the park early and go on your phone.

The line to get into the park is the problem. you need to scan in to get a boarding group. i can’t imagine a family with a child with autism getting there at 5am and waiting in that mess to get into the park. If you wait for the opening crowds to thin out you end up with a time in the later afternoon or evening which means you need to spend 8 or 9 hours in the park or leave the park which could be an issue for a lot of families as well. with the way the crowds are and now this system is it makes it impossible for some families to have a chance at experiencing the attraction.

It's because of the crowds, the demand, etc, and ADA does not even touch that issue. Nor will it ever, as it sets a class issue.

According to the survey people they are considering keeping this for a while. This isn’t my problem personally i got into a boarding group on opening day and went on the attraction. I also saw a young boy in a wheelchair having a melt down yesterday because he wasn’t able to ride it. I don’t see how that family would have an equal chance at getting into a boarding group how are they supposed to manage that crowd in the morning to get into the park before opening? i don’t see that as fair and equitable.

They don't have to wait in the center of the crowd, they can wait to one side. How would they manage to get into the park at all,ever, if they can't wait for the security check, the lines at the turnstiles, etc?

What do you miss if you use DAS ?? Should I try to go a second time after escorting my father with a DIS return??

DAS gets the FP queue. You're wondering what's in the standby queue? I doubt you'd be able to get two boarding groups in one day.

Navigating crowds is one thing and can be managed and you have alternatives to deal with it. This is a first come first served situation it’s no different than a line that many families can’t wait in. No one is saying that anyone with a disability should get automatic access to the attraction but this system is not friendly to those with disabilities at all. Everyone who goes through the turnstile can get a boarding group those who can not stand for long periods of time or handle the opening crowds are at a significant disadvantage at getting through that turnstile.

"Not friendly" is not part of the ADA language, is it? If you can't stand, a mobility device is a good choice to make. Also, not everyone who goes through the turnstile is going to get a boarding group.

Actually reports in the other threads have been saying the land crowds haven’t been any worse then normal from what I’ve seen.

A couple of other things. I can’t speak for others but for myself:

1. How much I can handle varies wildly from day to day. What I might be okay with one day I might not the next.
2. While I have a standing problem it isn’t a sensory problem. Not everyone who has DAS has that. My biggest DAS issue is limiting exposure to migraine triggers.
3. Rollator or an ECV still the better option. Not everyone comes to Disney with company. And I sure the heck can’t push a chair and I know I’m not the only option.

Honestly I wonder if some of this could be solved by a handicapped only line. But then you would have to worry about people who don’t need it using it...

Or maybe have an option that ties the DAS into the boarding system so with a DAS party not everyone needs to be present in the park just someone needs to be there to grab the boarding pass for the party.

But how would loading that "Handicap only line" work? At a faster pace than the standby? Not kosher with ADA. Who would you put in the special line? Who do you think needs it or doesn't need it?

 

[JNJ37]

Navigating crowds is one thing and can be managed and you have alternatives to deal with it. This is a first come first served situation it’s no different than a line that many families can’t wait in. No one is saying that anyone with a disability should get automatic access to the attraction but this system is not friendly to those with disabilities at all. Everyone who goes through the turnstile can get a boarding group those who can not stand for long periods of time or handle the opening crowds are at a significant disadvantage at getting through that turnstile.

Yes! Our trip isn’t until mid January, but I’m so concerned on how to handle this with my son. It takes time to medically care for him before we walk out the door. Getting to the park at 5am is probably not possible for us. I wish they would allow one member of the party get a BG for the disabled. That way he could could sleep a little longer and I could do the waiting for him.

 

[Rags]

A follow up question... can I go early and get a DAS pass for my mom? I know she can’t get there early but would like her to experience the ride. Thank you for the guidance and understanding.

 

[StarGirl11]

A follow up question... can I go early and get a DAS pass for my mom? I know she can’t get there early but would like her to experience the ride. Thank you for the guidance and understanding.

I might be misunderstanding the question. But as of right now you need a boarding pass to even get a DAS pass. And in order to get the boarding pass for everyone, you must have all members of your party present when you go to get your boarding pass. So you could technically get the DAS pass for your mother if I remember correctly. But she would still have to be there when you get the boarding pass.

You could send your mother back to the hotel to sleep after you get the pass, you don't lose the boarding pass when you leave. But there is no way around her not being there when you first obtain the boarding pass. And at the rate they are going right now. You have to get to the park early.

The key here to riding isn't the DAS pass. Its getting one of the boarding passes.

 

[DisneyOma]

A follow up question... can I go early and get a DAS pass for my mom? I know she can’t get there early but would like her to experience the ride. Thank you for the guidance and understanding.

The person the DAS is for has to be in the park.

 

[Rags]

Thank you to all who responded. It isn't worth it for my mom to get up so early.. We can hopefully get back in 2020. Thanks again and good luck to all!

 

[montreid]

I think it would be nice to have a hybrid like how DAS works -- anyone in the party for DAS can get a return time for the DAS rider. Same can be extended to BG assignment. You get the 'runner' in the group to fend the masses in the morning to get a BG #. then once a BG# is secured, a DAS can be applied to that rider. That then allows the DAS rider ride without needing to brave a 5am wakeup.

I would limit the party to 4 given the simple size of newness of the ride. -- and this comes from a planned party of 9 going to WDW this holiday!

In reality i believe this should be true of all BG# assignments. No real reason to draw little ones out of bed and skip breakfast only to have them 'present' at 7AM to scan in and get a later BG# in the evening. But still have to have a little of size too to allow for this -- simple coding work to allow for this, imho.

 

[Lilsia]

I think it would be nice to have a hybrid like how DAS works -- anyone in the party for DAS can get a return time for the DAS rider. Same can be extended to BG assignment. You get the 'runner' in the group to fend the masses in the morning to get a BG #. then once a BG# is secured, a DAS can be applied to that rider. That then allows the DAS rider ride without needing to brave a 5am wakeup.

I would limit the party to 4 given the simple size of newness of the ride. -- and this comes from a planned party of 9 going to WDW this holiday!

In reality i believe this should be true of all BG# assignments. No real reason to draw little ones out of bed and skip breakfast only to have them 'present' at 7AM to scan in and get a later BG# in the evening. But still have to have a little of size too to allow for this -- simple coding work to allow for this, imho.

The trouble with that is that they hand out the boarding passes as you come in. So if you are one of the first couple of groupings, you could end up having a boarding pass time immediately or very shortly after. If your family is not even in the parks yet, then you miss out and another family that could have been there has missed out. If you end up getting one for later in the day, you all can go back and take a nap or rest and come back. No one wants to get up that early.

 

[montreid]

The trouble with that is that they hand out the boarding passes as you come in. So if you are one of the first couple of groupings, you could end up having a boarding pass time immediately or very shortly after. If your family is not even in the parks yet, then you miss out and another family that could have been there has missed out. If you end up getting one for later in the day, you all can go back and take a nap or rest and come back. No one wants to get up that early.

True - but you get 2 HOURS to get there even if immediately called. That's fair, IMHO

Edit: From the reports we know disney can track prior admissions and multiple BGs on MDE so it shouldn't be so hard to do this:

1. 1 person must line up.
2. Limit 4 per BG reservation
3. No duplicates in BG
4. Limit 1 ride per day per MB/Ticket
5. Each BG reservation gets 2 hours to return to turret to start ridde.
6. DAS allows scan to get into into FP line to bypass any backup currently present in the line.

 

[DisneyOma]

I think it would be nice to have a hybrid like how DAS works -- anyone in the party for DAS can get a return time for the DAS rider. Same can be extended to BG assignment. You get the 'runner' in the group to fend the masses in the morning to get a BG #. then once a BG# is secured, a DAS can be applied to that rider. That then allows the DAS rider ride without needing to brave a 5am wakeup.

I would limit the party to 4 given the simple size of newness of the ride. -- and this comes from a planned party of 9 going to WDW this holiday!

In reality i believe this should be true of all BG# assignments. No real reason to draw little ones out of bed and skip breakfast only to have them 'present' at 7AM to scan in and get a later BG# in the evening. But still have to have a little of size too to allow for this -- simple coding work to allow for this, imho.

If they allowed this for every guest at WDW, and not just those with DAS, then yes. But it would take one hot minute for someone to figure out how to scam it and use it for profit. So to expect the actual users to be present to get the boarding group pass makes sense, to eliminate abuse.

True - but you get 2 HOURS to get there even if immediately called. That's fair, IMHO

Edit: From the reports we know disney can track prior admissions and multiple BGs on MDE so it shouldn't be so hard to do this:

1. 1 person must line up.
2. Limit 4 per BG reservation
3. No duplicates in BG
4. Limit 1 ride per day per MB/Ticket
5. Each BG reservation gets 2 hours to return to turret to start ridde.
6. DAS allows scan to get into into FP line to bypass any backup currently present in the line.

What if there is only one adult and a teenager with a DAS? How would they get equal access under this scenario? How do you actually add people to your boarding group if they are not there, haul all their magic bands in? Then they can't even have access to the resort door lock. No, I think actually having to be there to get the boarding group is the best way to do it, so there are no scams, and no complications.

 

[charmed59]

I would imagine if they only needed one person out of a group of four to be in the park to get a BP all passes would be gone in 1/4th the time. So the runners would need to be lining up earlier, and cellular bandwidth would come into play as all these singletons crowd into the gates and get on their phones to get boarding passes. By 6:20am the BPs would be gone and the park, with all it’s CMs at their posts, would be almost empty again.

Requiring everyone to be there maximizes the use of the land and the CMs.