Do cast members still use the constant "princess" label?

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  1. kuhltiffany

    kuhltiffany DIS Veteran

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    Hi there, I hope this is an ok spot to put this. I'm just a mom looking for some wisdom/experience/advice.

    We are heading to WDW next week (haven't been for about 5 years). My 14 year old is gender neutral / gender non-conforming. Last time we were there the cast members were always addressing children using the label "princess" (can't remember what the other option was), which was annoying and caused some angst. I'm hoping to find out what's typically happening now so we can prepare, I'm worried about how much a bother this can be.

    The complicating factor is that we are also coming with a cast/broken foot, so it's likely extra attention will be given, not always a positive thing.

    I've gotten pretty good navigating and advocating here at home, but Disney always seems to have such stringent gender expectations which make it more challenging!
     
  2. OKW Lover

    OKW Lover Retired and living 2 miles from The Castle. DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    Disney is actually very gender friendly. If the CM's can tell (which isn't always obvious) they will use the preferred form of address. If they can't its easy enough to just ask them to use the preferred name/gender.
     
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  4. WrongLeverrrr

    WrongLeverrrr Why do we even HAVE that lever??

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    You know how some people have those buttons that say "First Visit!" and things like that? I know people sometimes make those with their own personalized design, but I'm not sure where/how they go about that. Maybe a design/slogan that expresses your child's gender identity could work. Though that would mean you're literally wearing it and I know not everyone prefers to do that.
     
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  5. kuhltiffany

    kuhltiffany DIS Veteran

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    Neat idea! Even one that says "please don't call me princess" would do :)

     
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  6. happymommy

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    That's a great idea! My youngest is trans, and was at a conference last year where the name tag also said "he/him". Maybe one that says something to the effect that confirms they person's gender identity is good, like "gender nonconforming/fluid/nonbinary" is a good idea. You can write what you want! I wish I had known before he was 18, but in retrospect it wasn't a surprise to us all!
     
  7. DisLiss

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    Or if perhaps even just "NOT a Princess!" depending on what you're able to fit on a button. :)

    However, I will say that in my own experience, the cast members seem more likely to say those kinds of things to younger kids than older ones. Simply because regardless of their preferred gender, teens in general can be very resistant to labels they feel they are "too old" for. Cast members don't want to accidentally treat a teen like a "kid", especially (I believe) because Disney already fights the idea that Universal is for the teens and WDW is for the little kids. I think they try to be "cool" when dealing with the older kids.

    Best of luck!!
     
  8. puertorican00676

    puertorican00676 Earning My Ears

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    You can actually have fun with it. Maybe a not a princess pin with a picture of their preferred character. I can imagine darth vader for example.
     
  9. Lilsia

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    I think this will be a good life lesson on how the world is not perfect. Sometimes people will call you Mam or Sir, especially when it is not obvious. No one ever does that to be mean. Learning to brush it off is a better way to handle this. The button idea is fine, but a cast member might not look at it, since many guests wear buttons. It is important to learn how to deal with this and 14 is old enough. I know that as a parent, we want an our children's life to be easy and happy. The world is neither. I would talk to your child about what they think and how they want to handle it. It is not worth ruining a vacation over being called a princess.
     
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  10. cj.scribbles

    cj.scribbles Earning My Ears

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    In general; yes we do say Princess and Prince when addressing people, not just kids. It's more common in the parks like MK rather than the waterparks where I'm at.

    Ive definitely made this mistake before with children but I'm always open to correcting myself and addressing them properly. It's a little sad to say but it helps to visually appear how you'd like to be addressed. We see hundreds to thousands of adults and children a day and its easy to make a mistake especially if you're an attractions cast member moving people through quickly.

    Wearing buttons and clothing of a certain style can help but if someone does get it wrong just politely correct them I'm sure they'll apologize and change their words.

    You can also choose a term that's more specific than Prince or Princess. Write on their button "Hero". This is also a term some cast members use because it's how we address characters in certain movies sometimes. Mulan isn't just considered a Princess, shes a Hero, etc.

    Hope this helps! :)
     
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