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TheMaxRebo

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So carrying this forward to WDW....what if they decided to swipe your I.D. for a/each purchase? Would that help mitigate the risk of incorrect/over serving? Could WDW limit the number of drinks served per I.D. swipe? I'm asking generically, not necessarily you.
They could but I feel like if people want to get trashed they will find a way. They will get other people to buy them drinks or, as has been reported as being an issue, they will pre-party in the parking lot.

Obviously they should/could be better about just not serving people that seem obviously intoxicated but I think the best thing is for security to just remove people that are being a problem - be it sure to over drinking or any other reason. I don't think the issue is the drinking itself but how some people act when they drink too much - so deal with that, consistently and pretty harshly and people will know not to do that in the future
 

disneysteve

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So carrying this forward to WDW....what if they decided to swipe your I.D. for a/each purchase? Would that help mitigate the risk of incorrect/over serving? Could WDW limit the number of drinks served per I.D. swipe? I'm asking generically, not necessarily you.
I think showing ID should be required no matter what. I suspect a fair amount of underage drinking happens there.

Would it reduce overserving? Not unless there was some sort of system in place to track how many times your ID was swiped and they set a drink limit, which we've already talked about earlier in the thread.

As for showing ID, we were at a local (NJ) liquor store the other night. There is a big sign when you enter that they card everybody. And by "everybody" they literally mean everybody. At checkout, I was buying and paying but they had to see my ID and my wife's ID since she was with me even though she wasn't the one making the transaction.
 
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And by "everybody" they literally mean everybody. At checkout, I was buying and paying but they had to see my ID and my wife's ID since she was with me even though she wasn't the one making the transaction.
The local liquor store had to do that for a few weeks, well they had to scan the barcode on everyone's DL, because they were caught selling to underage.

Personally if I don't have my ID on me I don't order alcohol. I'm 31 and I realize that if I'm 40,50,60+ it would be unlikely to be carded so that viewpoint may change over time but at least right now majority of the time I'm not carded anyways. It's just I don't want to order, then in the offchance they ask me and I can't produce an ID.
 
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    If I don't have my ID on me, I'm either in my house, in a hotel room, or in a swimming pool. Even at the gym, I always have my ID on my just in case anything happens to me.
    I'm pretty much the same. Kinda hard to think of a time when I don't have my ID on me. I was more mentioning that for the comments related to "oh I haven't ever been carded at ___ place". That's pretty much the case for me but I won't order if for whatever reason I don't have my ID on me; others will order because they are of a certain age where being asked for ID is uncommon. I may get that way when I'm of that age but at least for now I'm not.
     

    hertamaniac

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    Would it reduce overserving? Not unless there was some sort of system in place to track how many times your ID was swiped and they set a drink limit, which we've already talked about earlier in the thread.
    That's sort of where I was leading my question. The I.D. swipe/scan is designed to be unique per individual. If WDW decides that the average guest can consume "X" number of drinks, per hour, based on a legal FL BAC (blood alcohol content) and then imposes a dwell time before serving another drink tied to that swipe/scan (regardless of location on property). I know it's a slippery slope.
     
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    That's sort of where I was leading my question. The I.D. swipe/scan is designed to be unique per individual. If WDW decides that the average guest can consume "X" number of drinks, per hour, based on a legal FL BAC (blood alcohol content) and then imposes a dwell time before serving another drink tied to that swipe/scan (regardless of location on property). I know it's a slippery slope.
    My husband could just go get me a drink in between the number of X drinks. Easy peasy. The more 21+ aged people in the party the easier it is. Sister-in-law no longer drinks (due to the person she's dating). Easy peasy to go have her get me a drink. Step-father-in-law rarely drinks. Easy peasy to have him go get me a drink.

    Any system will have exploitations, some more than others. Is it really worth imposing, worrying about enforcement, having people take over tasks that really they shouldn't be responsible for, be incredibly heavy-handed, etc....IMO no it's not really worth it. I'd rather security be the ones who ultimately deal with the unruly when it comes up.
     

    disneysteve

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    That's sort of where I was leading my question. The I.D. swipe/scan is designed to be unique per individual. If WDW decides that the average guest can consume "X" number of drinks, per hour, based on a legal FL BAC (blood alcohol content) and then imposes a dwell time before serving another drink tied to that swipe/scan (regardless of location on property). I know it's a slippery slope.
    I'd be totally fine with that, but it's been covered earlier in the thread. Not worth going into again.
     

    disneysteve

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    My husband could just go get me a drink in between the number of X drinks. Easy peasy. The more 21+ aged people in the party the easier it is. Sister-in-law no longer drinks (due to the person she's dating). Easy peasy to go have her get me a drink. Step-father-in-law rarely drinks. Easy peasy to have him go get me a drink.
    Exactly. It would help but it wouldn't eliminate the problem.
     

    hertamaniac

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    My husband could just go get me a drink in between the number of X drinks. Easy peasy. The more 21+ aged people in the party the easier it is. Sister-in-law no longer drinks (due to the person she's dating). Easy peasy to go have her get me a drink. Step-father-in-law rarely drinks. Easy peasy to have him go get me a drink.

    Any system will have exploitations, some more than others. Is it really worth imposing, worrying about enforcement, having people take over tasks that really they shouldn't be responsible for, be incredibly heavy-handed, etc....IMO no it's not really worth it. I'd rather security be the ones who ultimately deal with the unruly when it comes up.
    But my question would be by having someone else's I.D. being tied to purchasing the drink(s), does that potentially help absolve liability to WDW and shift in the direction of the purchaser/distributor?
     
  • TheMaxRebo

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    I have never seen anything at Disney that concerned or disturbed me that was clearly related to alcohol. It’s entirely possible that the jerks you see who appear drunk are also jerks when obviously sober. Plenty of those at the parks too, right?
    I definitely think alcohol tends to just amplify how someone is. So if they are a jerk, being hammered just makes them a jerk turned up to 11. I'd rather try to reduce the jerks based on actions rather than reduce the alcohol
     

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    That's sort of where I was leading my question. The I.D. swipe/scan is designed to be unique per individual. If WDW decides that the average guest can consume "X" number of drinks, per hour, based on a legal FL BAC (blood alcohol content) and then imposes a dwell time before serving another drink tied to that swipe/scan (regardless of location on property). I know it's a slippery slope.
    Of course that doesn't prevent somebody else paying for drinks. If two people are drinking they could alternate who buys to get around any scan limit.
     

    hertamaniac

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    Of course that doesn't prevent somebody else paying for drinks. If two people are drinking they could alternate who buys to get around any scan limit.
    With identification scanned for each person:

    Example:

    Person 1 buys two drinks which triggers a "stop sale" for an hour.
    Person 2 buys the next round of two drinks which triggers a "stop sale" for an hour.

    Doesn't that pace the amount of drinks being served?
     

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    With identification scanned for each person:

    Example:

    Person 1 buys two drinks which triggers a "stop sale" for an hour.
    Person 2 buys the next round of two drinks which triggers a "stop sale" for an hour.

    Doesn't that pace the amount of drinks being served?
    If they did it that way it might.
     
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    With identification scanned for each person:

    Example:

    Person 1 buys two drinks which triggers a "stop sale" for an hour.
    Person 2 buys the next round of two drinks which triggers a "stop sale" for an hour.

    Doesn't that pace the amount of drinks being served?
    Not necessarily.

    Person 1 buys 2 drinks with both drinks going to them
    Person 2 buys 2 drinks and 1 is for them the other is for Person 1.
    That satisifies your stop sale for an hour for both and individual purchase limit for both however Person 1 now has 3 drinks while Person 2 has 1 drink in the same time limit.

    Stop sale time limit is over and they repeat this process.

    Person 1 has had 6 drinks in a two hour time period
    Person 2 has only had 2 in a two hour time period
    Neither is going against the stop limit nor the restriction placed on individual purchase limit but clearly Person 1 is getting more than Person 2.

    Would it happen that way for the average person? Doubtful but then again the troublemakers, the ones people are complaining about aren't the ones who are drinking in moderation to begin with. So now you've added a restriction in place on the moderate drinker but which doesn't do a whole lot for the person who really wants to have multiple drinks. I'll also add that honestly for some the addition of a strict enough restriction can make them want to do something against them. Like "you can't tell me how many drinks I get in X time limit" type attitude which can lead to people going more out of their way to go around the rules.

    I totally get where your line of thinking is coming from.
     

    hertamaniac

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    Not necessarily.

    Person 1 buys 2 drinks with both drinks going to them
    Person 2 buys 2 drinks and 1 is for them the other is for Person 1.
    That satisifies your stop sale for an hour for both and individual purchase limit for both however Person 1 now has 3 drinks while Person 2 has 1 drink in the same time limit.

    Stop sale time limit is over and they repeat this process.

    Person 1 has had 6 drinks in a two hour time period
    Person 2 has only had 2 in a two hour time period
    Neither is going against the stop limit nor the restriction placed on individual purchase limit but clearly Person 1 is getting more than Person 2.

    Would it happen that way for the average person? Doubtful but then again the troublemakers, the ones people are complaining about aren't the ones who are drinking in moderation to begin with. So now you've added a restriction in place on the moderate drinker but which doesn't do a whole lot for the person who really wants to have multiple drinks. I'll also add that honestly for some the addition of a strict enough restriction can make them want to do something against them. Like "you can't tell me how many drinks I get in X time limit" type attitude which can lead to people going more out of their way to go around the rules.

    I totally get where your line of thinking is coming from.
    I'm not naive enough to think my one thought is pretentious to capture everyone. However, it does capture a certain percentage. I could argue it is "a" significant percentage.

    In your counter example, I would simply change the numbers (i.e. person 1 has exceeded the 2 drinks/hour limitation).

    I don't believe my thinking is all-encompassing, but just a position that questions a methodology that might counter a position; I have no horse in this race.

    Thank you for engaging me in this discussion!
     
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    Lilsia

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    The local liquor store had to do that for a few weeks, well they had to scan the barcode on everyone's DL, because they were caught selling to underage.

    Personally if I don't have my ID on me I don't order alcohol. I'm 31 and I realize that if I'm 40,50,60+ it would be unlikely to be carded so that viewpoint may change over time but at least right now majority of the time I'm not carded anyways. It's just I don't want to order, then in the offchance they ask me and I can't produce an ID.
    A person would like to think that my your middle years, you would not get asked for ID. I am 46 and I still get asked for ID sometimes. I was asked for proof of age for buying a lottery ticket a few weeks ago. I was stunned for a few seconds since I have children old enough to buy them. I questioned the young person about it saying that I have never been asked before. They said that anyone looking under the age of 30 should be ID. Some people just are really, really bad at telling age it seems. There is no way that anyone can mistake me for being under 30. I go into places assuming that there is a good chance that I will be asked for ID when buying alcohol. You just never know. But I always carry my ID with me anyway. Everyone should.
     

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