Howling in Geriatric Cat

Cashew was on gabapentin at the end of his short little life when he got uveitis in his left eye (they think lymphoma spread :( ). For him it was a god send, stopped the pain, would relax him and he would lay still, be peaceful.

On his last day we gave him a dose before we brought him in, to soothe him.

I hope your kitty is well today! :)
Thanks! Glad to hear it worked for Cashew. I'm sure you were very relieved to have something to help him. Nothing we're doing so far seems to be helping. But they all comment on how healthy she looks for 19. So I keep plodding along testing theories and seeing what we can do for her.
 
That makes a huge difference. There are really 2 issues for me with the howling. First (and most important), she does seem a bit distressed when she howls. Second, she does it many times at night now. It's a bit like having a newborn baby again.
Thanks! Glad to hear it worked for Cashew. I'm sure you were very relieved to have something to help him. Nothing we're doing so far seems to be helping. But they all comment on how healthy she looks for 19. So I keep plodding along testing theories and seeing what we can do for her.

This is a long shot I'm sure, but the vet had us give cat (the night-howler) melatonin when we all went to bed. It did help lessen the howling!
 
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This is a long shot I'm sure, but the vet had us give Phil (the night-howler) melatonin when we all went to bed. It did help lessen the howling!
That's not a terrible idea. I won't do it now, but if we get to the point where we just accept where she's at with all of this, I will definitely consider trying that. I'd have to see if it was safe with the gabapentin, but definitely a good idea. Thanks!
 
That's not a terrible idea. I won't do it now, but if we get to the point where we just accept where she's at with all of this, I will definitely consider trying that. I'd have to see if it was safe with the gabapentin, but definitely a good idea. Thanks!

It's hard, a rather heartbreaking sound. But it's also the sign of a cat who's lived a long, happy life with his people. ❤
 


We saw the other vet today. Well, sort of. This one didn't let people go back, just pets. He thinks it's arthritis and gave her a steroid shot. He wants me to see if it helps and call back to discuss on Monday. It all went so fast I really didn't get a chance to ask about the Adequan. I still plan to ask about it if we move forward with the arthritis theory. He said there are a couple of schools of thought on the gabapentin. Some don't think it really helps, but it certainly doesn't hurt to give it if she's tolerating it.

He says he wouldn't remove the teeth there. He would send us to a specialist for that. Not sure if we'll go forward with that. It's on a back burner for me right now since it's so high risk and we're exploring other potential causes.

Still howling this afternoon. Not sure how long steroids would take even if it was going to help.
Hm. That’s not the course of action I would’ve expected, but I think I can understand what he’s trying to do here. I guess he gave the steroid injection to see if a reduction in inflammation makes your cat feel better so he can then decide whether to pursue arthritis as the cause, instead of starting an arthritis medication and waiting a few weeks to see if there’s improvement. I assume he doesn’t plan on using steroids long term and will recommend one of the more benign treatment options if he decides it’s arthritis. I would think steroids could make the cat feel better for a whole slew of reasons, so I’m not sure how he’ll figure out if the cat is feeling better because the steroids helped with arthritis pain and not, say, dental inflammation, for example. :confused: I suppose if your cat starts running around the house this weekend and jumping to high places where she couldn’t before, then it’s a probably a safe bet that the steroids are improving arthritis pain. Maybe that’s the kind of update he’s hoping to hear on Monday. FWIW, I agree with him that arthritis is most likely the issue here and I think you’re right to put the teeth on the back burner for now.
 
Well, the steroid shot made no difference. Not sure what that means. I've still been watching her very closely. 95% of her howling is when she has gotten down and wants back up to the sofa. So I do still think it's mobility related. I just can't get behind moving forward with the teeth. When it comes right down to it, I'm not excited about sending her off, perhaps not to wake back up, scared and and away from her family. I'm just not convinced enough that it's the teeth.

I did ask about Adequan and he wasn't as sold on that fixing the problem, but agreed to give it a try. We just got back from her first injection. We're supposed to go back again Friday. So we'll see.
 


Well, the steroid shot made no difference. Not sure what that means. I've still been watching her very closely. 95% of her howling is when she has gotten down and wants back up to the sofa. So I do still think it's mobility related. I just can't get behind moving forward with the teeth. When it comes right down to it, I'm not excited about sending her off, perhaps not to wake back up, scared and and away from her family. I'm just not convinced enough that it's the teeth.

I did ask about Adequan and he wasn't as sold on that fixing the problem, but agreed to give it a try. We just got back from her first injection. We're supposed to go back again Friday. So we'll see.
Does he not think Adequan is an effective drug or does he no longer think it’s arthritis? Any vet I’ve ever talked to about it has considered it a game changer for arthritis treatment.

Stick with it; it will probably take at least a few doses before you’ll see improvement ( if you’re going to). Good luck.
 
Does he not think Adequan is an effective drug or does he no longer think it’s arthritis? Any vet I’ve ever talked to about it has considered it a game changer for arthritis treatment.

Stick with it; it will probably take at least a few doses before you’ll see improvement ( if you’re going to). Good luck.
I'm not sure what his issue was. Honestly, I had called while out on our walk this morning anticipating I would leave a message for him to call me later. I was surprised when they put him on the phone so I wasn't as ready as I might have been. I have a hunch that given his clientele (in a very old blue collar area of town), he's used to suggesting treatments that are less of a commitment (time and $$$ for return visits).

I'm prepared to stick with it. Unless she deteriorates in the meantime and forces our hand.

I really just want to do reasonable due diligence in seeing her through this time.
 
I'm not sure what his issue was. Honestly, I had called while out on our walk this morning anticipating I would leave a message for him to call me later. I was surprised when they put him on the phone so I wasn't as ready as I might have been. I have a hunch that given his clientele (in a very old blue collar area of town), he's used to suggesting treatments that are less of a commitment (time and $$$ for return visits).

I'm prepared to stick with it. Unless she deteriorates in the meantime and forces our hand.

I really just want to do reasonable due diligence in seeing her through this time.
Maybe it will help the teeth pain if that is part of the issue too. I suspect it will help her feel more comfortable overall. If it doesn’t, then that may be telling.
 
Well, the steroid shot made no difference. Not sure what that means. I've still been watching her very closely. 95% of her howling is when she has gotten down and wants back up to the sofa. So I do still think it's mobility related. I just can't get behind moving forward with the teeth. When it comes right down to it, I'm not excited about sending her off, perhaps not to wake back up, scared and and away from her family. I'm just not convinced enough that it's the teeth.

I did ask about Adequan and he wasn't as sold on that fixing the problem, but agreed to give it a try. We just got back from her first injection. We're supposed to go back again Friday. So we'll see.
As a short term solution, for that immediate problem, do you have a way for kitty to get to the sofa without jumping? We have a footstool that our elder cat uses to climb on and then can make his way to the couch. We also have "steps" for kitty to get into our bed.

Hopefully, the adequan can help. We give ours his second shot on Thursday. Vet also mentioned treats that had glucosamine & chondroitin can help and she has used both treats and injections with her elder cat, so we got some at Petco. At least for the short term while we wait for the full effects of the adequan to take hold. In our case, kitty seems to be sitting and lying down a little faster, but still with more deliberation than it should take. So we are hopeful. Although, I just realized in your case it might not help because of the teeth issues. Our cat has, like no back or middle teeth, and the treats are supposed to be soft, but they are kind of large, so I have to break it up into 3 bits for him, since he can't really chew it.
 
As a short term solution, for that immediate problem, do you have a way for kitty to get to the sofa without jumping? We have a footstool that our elder cat uses to climb on and then can make his way to the couch. We also have "steps" for kitty to get into our bed.

Hopefully, the adequan can help. We give ours his second shot on Thursday. Vet also mentioned treats that had glucosamine & chondroitin can help and she has used both treats and injections with her elder cat, so we got some at Petco. At least for the short term while we wait for the full effects of the adequan to take hold. In our case, kitty seems to be sitting and lying down a little faster, but still with more deliberation than it should take. So we are hopeful. Although, I just realized in your case it might not help because of the teeth issues. Our cat has, like no back or middle teeth, and the treats are supposed to be soft, but they are kind of large, so I have to break it up into 3 bits for him, since he can't really chew it.
You can also try soaking the treats until they soften.
 
As a short term solution, for that immediate problem, do you have a way for kitty to get to the sofa without jumping? We have a footstool that our elder cat uses to climb on and then can make his way to the couch. We also have "steps" for kitty to get into our bed.

Hopefully, the adequan can help. We give ours his second shot on Thursday. Vet also mentioned treats that had glucosamine & chondroitin can help and she has used both treats and injections with her elder cat, so we got some at Petco. At least for the short term while we wait for the full effects of the adequan to take hold. In our case, kitty seems to be sitting and lying down a little faster, but still with more deliberation than it should take. So we are hopeful. Although, I just realized in your case it might not help because of the teeth issues. Our cat has, like no back or middle teeth, and the treats are supposed to be soft, but they are kind of large, so I have to break it up into 3 bits for him, since he can't really chew it.
We used some large chair cushions to make a very easy to use step to her spot on the sofa. (Who needs cushions on people chairs anyway? ;))

Thanks for the idea on the treats! I've been hesitant to give her treats because of her kidney diet, but with today's theory, the mobility is a greater issue, so I'll likely give it a try. She eats dry food mostly, so I think she can handle it.

Fingers crossed for you that the Adequan helps and you get some bonus time with your kitty!
 
My 18 yo cat (lost her last year) started howling in her last year.... she was also getting deaf I noticed (she always came when called,etc her whole life) so the first few times it happened it freaked me out, but then I figured it was likely bc she couldn't really hear much anymore and was getting louder..... at any rate I still miss my sweety cat.
 
My 18 yo cat (lost her last year) started howling in her last year.... she was also getting deaf I noticed (she always came when called,etc her whole life) so the first few times it happened it freaked me out, but then I figured it was likely bc she couldn't really hear much anymore and was getting louder..... at any rate I still miss my sweety cat.
I'm sorry you're missing your kitty. I know I'll sure miss mine when she's gone. She's been a part of our family almost as long as our college age daughter.

They do seem to howl for a variety of reasons. I think mine is still hearing fairly well though. She hears me when I walk up behind her and say her name.

It sure is a crazy sound though.
 
Is this Adequan used in dogs too? My guy, almost 14, is very achy with arthritic issues. He has gotten so bad that he is very nippy. If we help him up/down, try to groom him in any way, or even just pet him sometimes...he may nip. He never liked any grooming but now turns into a Tasmanian devil when I do the slightest grooming. And he has dry eye so I have to put drops in every day (Tas comes out even for that). He reacts to Rimidyl (throws up tremendously) so we do gallaprant and gabapentin. Out of the gallaprant so he's just on the gabapentin right now and it isn't really helping. Will get a refill of the gallaprant but maybe Adequan shots might be better. He is nasty when trying to shove a pill in the back of his throat too so I always have to jam it in a tasty treat. But sometimes don't have time or access to cream cheese or a hot dog or whatnot. Would be easier to get a shot once in a while instead.

My dog is also up and bugging us at night. Doesn't howl but scratches at the bed or walks around and seems lost in the house. He throws up at night too sometimes (when DH gives him too much people food). He started like 18 months ago (or so...have to look up older threads on here to find). But he started when we boarded him while away. Came back and he was having diarrhea and getting us up all through the night wanting to go out or just wandering around the house. That evolved into him scratching at the side of our bed (he can't jump up on bed anymore). He hasn't slept through a night in these 18 months. When he does this we will just get up and go to living room to lay on sofa and go back to sleep (he will lay on floor and sleep too so why he does it, we don't know). But we get super tired of it and once in a while will ignore him and fuss with him to get him to lay back down in our bedroom. He complies for like 45 more mins and then scratches again. He will scratch anywhere from 2:30am to 4:30am. Mostly around 3-4am. We recently moved and left behind our 1st floor master. I told DH, who chose this new house that has up stairs master, that I would NOT be traipsing down to the living room at 3-4am to sleep on sofa because of the dog. So we put a water bowl in our master bathroom and when he started right in on scratching at @3am...I'd get up and go pee (have to anyway...old lady bladder) and point him to his water bowl. Then get back in bed telling the dog to lay back down and he 'forgets' what he wanted and lays back down. BUT, then he will scratch again at 5am. So down the steps I stumble in the dark with a dog who can't see, or do steps very well, and nips if I try to 'help' him by carrying him down. Recently, I have managed to eek it out to 6am some days. So that is what we're working on but I think it's just old grandpa dog issues. Can't sleep all night. Can't see and maybe just has dementia. And is cranky as all get out. Some days I am ready to 'take him to the farm'...KWIM. LOL.

So I feel for ya, OP. Hope you figure out something to help with kitty. For her well being and yours.
 
Is this Adequan used in dogs too? My guy, almost 14, is very achy with arthritic issues. He has gotten so bad that he is very nippy. If we help him up/down, try to groom him in any way, or even just pet him sometimes...he may nip. He never liked any grooming but now turns into a Tasmanian devil when I do the slightest grooming. And he has dry eye so I have to put drops in every day (Tas comes out even for that). He reacts to Rimidyl (throws up tremendously) so we do gallaprant and gabapentin. Out of the gallaprant so he's just on the gabapentin right now and it isn't really helping. Will get a refill of the gallaprant but maybe Adequan shots might be better. He is nasty when trying to shove a pill in the back of his throat too so I always have to jam it in a tasty treat. But sometimes don't have time or access to cream cheese or a hot dog or whatnot. Would be easier to get a shot once in a while instead.

My dog is also up and bugging us at night. Doesn't howl but scratches at the bed or walks around and seems lost in the house. He throws up at night too sometimes (when DH gives him too much people food). He started like 18 months ago (or so...have to look up older threads on here to find). But he started when we boarded him while away. Came back and he was having diarrhea and getting us up all through the night wanting to go out or just wandering around the house. That evolved into him scratching at the side of our bed (he can't jump up on bed anymore). He hasn't slept through a night in these 18 months. When he does this we will just get up and go to living room to lay on sofa and go back to sleep (he will lay on floor and sleep too so why he does it, we don't know). But we get super tired of it and once in a while will ignore him and fuss with him to get him to lay back down in our bedroom. He complies for like 45 more mins and then scratches again. He will scratch anywhere from 2:30am to 4:30am. Mostly around 3-4am. We recently moved and left behind our 1st floor master. I told DH, who chose this new house that has up stairs master, that I would NOT be traipsing down to the living room at 3-4am to sleep on sofa because of the dog. So we put a water bowl in our master bathroom and when he started right in on scratching at @3am...I'd get up and go pee (have to anyway...old lady bladder) and point him to his water bowl. Then get back in bed telling the dog to lay back down and he 'forgets' what he wanted and lays back down. BUT, then he will scratch again at 5am. So down the steps I stumble in the dark with a dog who can't see, or do steps very well, and nips if I try to 'help' him by carrying him down. Recently, I have managed to eek it out to 6am some days. So that is what we're working on but I think it's just old grandpa dog issues. Can't sleep all night. Can't see and maybe just has dementia. And is cranky as all get out. Some days I am ready to 'take him to the farm'...KWIM. LOL.

So I feel for ya, OP. Hope you figure out something to help with kitty. For her well being and yours.
Yes, it’s also used for dogs and horses.
 
Is this Adequan used in dogs too? My guy, almost 14, is very achy with arthritic issues. He has gotten so bad that he is very nippy. If we help him up/down, try to groom him in any way, or even just pet him sometimes...he may nip. He never liked any grooming but now turns into a Tasmanian devil when I do the slightest grooming. And he has dry eye so I have to put drops in every day (Tas comes out even for that). He reacts to Rimidyl (throws up tremendously) so we do gallaprant and gabapentin. Out of the gallaprant so he's just on the gabapentin right now and it isn't really helping. Will get a refill of the gallaprant but maybe Adequan shots might be better. He is nasty when trying to shove a pill in the back of his throat too so I always have to jam it in a tasty treat. But sometimes don't have time or access to cream cheese or a hot dog or whatnot. Would be easier to get a shot once in a while instead.

My dog is also up and bugging us at night. Doesn't howl but scratches at the bed or walks around and seems lost in the house. He throws up at night too sometimes (when DH gives him too much people food). He started like 18 months ago (or so...have to look up older threads on here to find). But he started when we boarded him while away. Came back and he was having diarrhea and getting us up all through the night wanting to go out or just wandering around the house. That evolved into him scratching at the side of our bed (he can't jump up on bed anymore). He hasn't slept through a night in these 18 months. When he does this we will just get up and go to living room to lay on sofa and go back to sleep (he will lay on floor and sleep too so why he does it, we don't know). But we get super tired of it and once in a while will ignore him and fuss with him to get him to lay back down in our bedroom. He complies for like 45 more mins and then scratches again. He will scratch anywhere from 2:30am to 4:30am. Mostly around 3-4am. We recently moved and left behind our 1st floor master. I told DH, who chose this new house that has up stairs master, that I would NOT be traipsing down to the living room at 3-4am to sleep on sofa because of the dog. So we put a water bowl in our master bathroom and when he started right in on scratching at @3am...I'd get up and go pee (have to anyway...old lady bladder) and point him to his water bowl. Then get back in bed telling the dog to lay back down and he 'forgets' what he wanted and lays back down. BUT, then he will scratch again at 5am. So down the steps I stumble in the dark with a dog who can't see, or do steps very well, and nips if I try to 'help' him by carrying him down. Recently, I have managed to eek it out to 6am some days. So that is what we're working on but I think it's just old grandpa dog issues. Can't sleep all night. Can't see and maybe just has dementia. And is cranky as all get out. Some days I am ready to 'take him to the farm'...KWIM. LOL.

So I feel for ya, OP. Hope you figure out something to help with kitty. For her well being and yours.
Thanks for your commiseration. I do still think we have a degree of dementia going on with our cat, regardless of whether there's something else going on. Maybe she has several of the possible things going on. Sometimes it's like having a newborn again.

If I were you I would definitely check with your vet on whether they think Adequan might be of help to your guy.
 
Have you ever tried pill pockets? I used them with a different cat a few years back. They made pill time for my sick fragile kitty into treat time. I was amazed.
I haven’t, actually. My own cats have been easy to pill and when I was a tech we used something called a pill popper for difficult cats. I’ve heard good things about them, though.
 

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