I Better Vote Tomorrow...

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  1. Mackenzie Click-Mickelson

    Mackenzie Click-Mickelson DIS Veteran

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    I know you are and I don't mean to come off harsh if I have. I think that many times we want something to be better than it is.

    No but that comes with other issues. I think that's why places started going to higher tech solutions. Initial cost high but accuracy rates high as well and results quicker. Last night results were showing up in 20mins or so after the polling closed in my state for certain precincts.

    It's funny you mention that we were just talking about it last night at dinner the infamous "chad" issue back in the 2000 election.

    I think that some people would have issues with that especially in regards to privacy. More or less announcing that you voted or that you did vote. Plus how would people feel about placing your fingerprint on something? I know banks still do that when it comes to accounts but I feel differently about that in regards to a voting requirement that is my right as being a citizen. We already have issues surrounding voter ID laws.


    We have 50 states set up where certain decisions are left up to the state to make decisions for their citizens. I don't always think what one state doesn't allow is fair but it's a catch 22 all around for forcing every county and every state to be the same. Even if I think everywhere should have the ability to early vote I concede that there are states out there that don't allow that and making them do it as a mandate may be unreasonable.

    And TBH sometimes allowing the states to make their own decisions rather than forcing something can work in one's favor (depending on your own outlook). For example marijuana, even just for medicinal purposes, is still illegal at the Federal level but is not illegal at the state level for certain states. On the other hand the ability to get married if you are in a same-sex relationship is something I'm very glad that is legal in all 50 states...but to that note that was a moral or religious issue rather than a financial issue. I see requiring all places to have the same voting machines/methods, moving a lot of things around, etc as much more of a financial issue IMO.
     
  2. DopeyDame

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    No, their right to vote is *absolutely* being taken away. Yes, they can take steps to get that right reinstated, but by removing them from the voter roles, their legal right to vote has been removed.
    Which sucks.
     
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  4. Hikergirl

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    LOL, well I don't give the USPS that much credit, but I also don't assume that every single person taken off the rolls has moved around so much they cant be found or that every single notice that went out somehow got lost in the mail.
     
  5. Hikergirl

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    I think you need to educate yourself on what taking away a right means.
    If they can re-register to vote then they are allowed to vote which means their rights are still there.
    But if that is what your feelings tell you, no facts are going to change your opinion.
     
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  6. DopeyDame

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    No, they are allowed to *register* to vote. they are not allowed to vote.
    Those are two different things.
    Facts matter.

    ETA: It's easy to think of many times in US history when someone's rights "are still there" *if* they do something - say pay a poll tax or take a test or own property. That's not the side of history I'd want to be on.
     
  7. Mackenzie Click-Mickelson

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    I don't know how it is elsewhere honestly but in my area you can change your DMV address for free online as many times as you want. If you want a new DL with the new address you will have to pay fees (like for the picture, etc). If you change your address online through the DMV system you are supposed to carry the piece of paper around with you with the updated address.

    You can at the exact same time adjust your voter registration address. So at least in my area there's no excuse for when you move as long as you still have a place to get mail. Does everyone change their address, even online for free? nope I sure didn't. I didn't until I moved into my house that we built 4 years ago despite 2 years in the dorm, 2 years in an apartment (though in college I kept my mom's address as my permanent one), 9 months back home, 2 years in an apartment complex, 18 months in a rental house and then last move just over 4 years ago to my house I live in now.

    Throughout that time though I did update through the Postal System my address and when I graduated college I had my own auto and renters insurance so that address was updated but my student loans, my life insurance policy, my voter registrations and my DL address were all still my mom's. So I get it when people didn't update their address, because I sure didn't, but at the same time I would have changed the address if I didn't have my mom's house to fall back on and because of the system set up there's not a real good reason, if you are at a place that can get mail for things like utilities etc, to not update your address which allows you to update your voter registration which allows you to continue to get mailings at the correct place.
     
  8. gotomu212

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    That’s cool...you asked a question about how to make voting easier stating some things that were untrue, I answered with how it could be easier, and you change the argument to states rights. You clearly weren’t interesting in hearing how it could be easier, and maybe you aren’t interested in making it easier for certain groups? FYI-voting isn’t just for “able bodied people” either.

    I’m in a state with early voting and have transportation and plentiful polls so I’m all good.
     
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  9. kaytieeldr

    kaytieeldr Post hoc, ergo propter hoc

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    A minor write-in campaign could have put you on the school board!
    Can you please elaborate on "capable of"? Do all these people own vehicles? Is there public transportation available between the necessary points? Do their minimum wage jobs allow them time to get to the polls/are the polls open sufficient hours to accommodate minimum wage workers?
    Trying to explain WHY something is, in no way indicates giving a lack of credit.

    Okay, fine. Ear prints. According to at least a couple of tv series, ear prints are unique, too.
     
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  10. Mackenzie Click-Mickelson

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    I'm not entirely certain what you're going for here. I stated nothing about uniqueness regarding fingerprints.
     
  11. FlightlessDuck

    FlightlessDuck Y kant Donald fly?

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    I almost got elected to my county's {political party here} committee with one write-in vote.
     
  12. RedAngie

    RedAngie 80's New Wave Girl

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    Great news!!! I got a robo call today. The number had a local exchange, so I answered it.

    The voice thanked me for voting yesterday and wants to reward me with a cruise to The Bahamas!!! Can't wait to go!!!
     
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  13. Boardwalk Jedi

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    Apparently people that likely have it way harder than you, yet you thing they got it so good. The "if I was a low income person" screams an inability to understand others. Resorting to the "redundant...silly" is another example of not wanting to understand.
     
  14. Boardwalk Jedi

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    It will definitely take a while, but online is likely in the future since everything else is. A database for voters is a start, but it's something that we have to hugely invest in...both creating and protecting it. When I hear people talk of a national voting card or system, I don't think that's an awful idea. But it's something we have to pay for.
     
  15. FlightlessDuck

    FlightlessDuck Y kant Donald fly?

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    Enjoy your cruise! :smooth: :beach: :dance3:
     
  16. cruiser21

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    Yes they all have cars, homes, phones. food. internet, etc.I do not live in a high cost of living state.
     
  17. cruiser21

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    You know nothing about me, but nice try. Y
     
  18. cruiser21

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    Awesome which cruise line?
     
  19. RedAngie

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    I don't even remember if the cruise line was mentioned. Maybe they would have revealed it when I gave my credit card number and expiration date for the "small reservation fee."
     
  20. cruiser21

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    Ha Ha. I thought that sounded to good to be true. I always get the police are coming to your door to arrest you for tax fraud phone calls. Please call this number and pay your taxes blah blah blah.
     
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  21. GreatLakes

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    Voting with the current system isn't difficult.

    I've voted in 6 cities across 2 states and never found it very hard or inconvenient.

    Online voting is the future and could be done securely now if we fixed the authentication problem. Username and password isn't it but there are better alternatives in the works. Until then just get your butt to your polling location and cast your vote.

    It should take some effort because anything important and worth doing often does.
     
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