If there is another major storm.....

erinch

Parsing the same ee cummings poem for 20 years
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All the reports are that WDW learned from Matthew and the resort and food services for Irma were top-notch almost everywhere.

But the reports on cancelling and rescheduling are harrowing. People reporting waits on hold of six or more hours to be patched into guest services, and little consistency from CM to CM on what they could offer.

Since all those cancellations spilled into the rest of the fall season, how would WDW handle if there's another major one? Do they have the ability to get more guest services specialists up to speed?
 
All the reports are that WDW learned from Matthew and the resort and food services for Irma were top-notch almost everywhere.

But the reports on cancelling and rescheduling are harrowing. People reporting waits on hold of six or more hours to be patched into guest services, and little consistency from CM to CM on what they could offer.

Since all those cancellations spilled into the rest of the fall season, how would WDW handle if there's another major one? Do they have the ability to get more guest services specialists up to speed?
It is always hard with a situation like this. Disney gets flooded with questions and concerns and often they don't know the answer because weather can change at a moments notice.
 
I think the real problem is there are only a certain number of Guest Relations people that can do the overrides to do things like switch resorts without charging the difference and refunds within one week and so on. Those types of things are probably tightly controlled and your average Guest Relations CM who answers the phone doesn't and probably shouldn't have those abilities. So no, there probably isn't an easy way to ramp up that access.

One thing we've seen on the camping board is that while hold times were a problem, the bigger problem was just a lack of information. Now some of that is reasonable, if you don't know when Fort Wilderness is going to reopen, you can't tell people. But other parts of it, where some CMs were trying to change reservations and requiring the difference to be paid while others who got through to the "relocations group" or whatever you want to call it were getting it done without the difference needing to be paid, is a problem that can be resolved.

People won't like the resolution however, and that is simply long hold times or, what Disney actually wanted to do, reverse contact. In other words, instead of people calling Disney, Disney was trying to call them so someone with the power to make the changes and decisions was the one that spoke to the guest. People, however, aren't that patient, and it didn't seem like there were enough people making phone calls. Emails also seemed inconsistent at best.

Disney probably needs a better system. You can't eliminate the hold times. Nor can you empower front line employees to do higher level jobs, because chaos lies in that direction. But emails to reservation holders could probably lay the ground work for more effective and shorter phone calls. For example, emails telling them if your check in date is between x and y, you can expect a phone call on these dates. If your check in date is between A and B, you can expect a phone call on those later dates.

Also in the email an explanation of options, cancelling, changing the date, or having your resort changed, plus any associated costs or loss of discounts (free dining is a prime one, though that wouldn't apply to Fort Wilderness), would probably be helpful.

In other words, while I don't think there is a way to avoid long wait times and flustered nerves from people calling the help line, I think a few mass emails with basics might have calmed some of the issues and made the process more tolerable for most.

One big thing to take away is that it seems even with Fort Wilderness closed, based on reports I've seen in various Facebook groups, people who have shown up without having checked in or been contacted, have all be redirected to prepared changes. So it seems Disney has done everything they can to keep people coming in as happy as possible, even if they haven't been so good at telling people that before they showed up.
 
I keep seeing reports on the number of weeks for the remainder of the year in which there is no resort capacity at all.

On the hold times, I was remembering when we had to help our son sign up for health insurance when he turned 27. That was the first month of the ACA marketplace. The hold times for the marketplace were 8 and 9 hours. You phoned in to make a reservation, and they gave you an hour window in which they would call back.

I wonder if WDW has the database capacity to establish a call back queue like that. Which would different than randomly waiting for the relocation team to call back on some day in the future.
 


I think the real problem is there are only a certain number of Guest Relations people that can do the overrides to do things like switch resorts without charging the difference and refunds within one week and so on. Those types of things are probably tightly controlled and your average Guest Relations CM who answers the phone doesn't and probably shouldn't have those abilities. So no, there probably isn't an easy way to ramp up that access.
Disney announced before Irma they would wave all fees for rescheduling or cancelling due to the storm. I would think once that decision is made they can just go into the system and make it so those changes can be made without a supervisor type.
 
I wonder if WDW has the database capacity to establish a call back queue like that. Which would different than randomly waiting for the relocation team to call back on some day in the future.
I don't they would need to do something like that. Major storms like Irma don't happen every year nor do you see mass rescheduling or cancelling like that usually. When you have that huge amount of people calling at the same time your system is going to be overwhelmed.
 
Disney announced before Irma they would wave all fees for rescheduling or cancelling due to the storm. I would think once that decision is made they can just go into the system and make it so those changes can be made without a supervisor type.

I say this kindly, but I think your youthful optimism is showing. If you have a few hundred CMs trying to reschedule Fort Wilderness guests into AoA at the same time, what do you think happens to the system? There is no way corporate America gives frontline employees this kind of reach. Nothing is designed for it and you can't just flip switches. Even if you did, it would cause problems in other parts of the system. Major changes to a reservations system are usually extensively tested before implementation. And there is not going to be a way to say "only Fort Wilderness guests can have fees waived" without extensive programming contingencies which no one pays for when systems are set up and can't just be slapped in on the fly. Since you can't do that, then you open yourself up to all kinds of abuse from a myriad of employees.

No, Disney will keep that functionality tightly constrained, just like anywhere else when you request something and need to be booted up the chain to make it happen.
 


I say this kindly, but I think your youthful optimism is showing. If you have a few hundred CMs trying to reschedule Fort Wilderness guests into AoA at the same time, what do you think happens to the system? There is no way corporate America gives frontline employees this kind of reach. Nothing is designed for it and you can't just flip switches. Even if you did, it would cause problems in other parts of the system. Major changes to a reservations system are usually extensively tested before implementation. And there is not going to be a way to say "only Fort Wilderness guests can have fees waived" without extensive programming contingencies which no one pays for when systems are set up and can't just be slapped in on the fly. Since you can't do that, then you open yourself up to all kinds of abuse from a myriad of employees.

No, Disney will keep that functionality tightly constrained, just like anywhere else when you request something and need to be booted up the chain to make it happen.
I know I don't have any experience with a system like that but Disney has the guidelines in place on their website for Hurricane situations. I just think it would be possible to have some sort of system switch for when a Hurricane plan goes into place. Hurricane prep isn't exactly a typical request like anywhere else.
 
I don't know much about the long waiting on hold times with Disney-I do most of my research online & the online chat option & only call if absolutely necessary.

I did recently encounter a fantastic system that maybe Disney should adopt though. The Friday before the last hurricane , I became fast friends with the customer service ladies at Jet Blue, regarding my parents' flight out of Naples, & they had a system where they automatically call you back when a representative was available. It was so easy & non-stressful! I typed in my phone number, the automated system gave me an approximate call back time, & they called ME when ready. It was super easy!
 
I know I don't have any experience with a system like that but Disney has the guidelines in place on their website for Hurricane situations. I just think it would be possible to have some sort of system switch for when a Hurricane plan goes into place. Hurricane prep isn't exactly a typical request like anywhere else.

Oh I'm not disputing you can build it. With enough money you can. You just wouldn't. Because you don't want every CM that picks up the phone to be able to do these things, even during an emergency. Corporate America has learned well that employees, especially those who don't make much, are quite clever at finding ways to do things you don't want them to do. Like upgrading people to GF with no add on fees because they've been turned off. Or moving people to Club Level for no reason.

Or moving an entire reservation from Fort Wilderness, with 10 people on a site, to 3 rooms at Contemporary instead of AoA, for a week instead of just for the shorter periods want. Or listening to a customer insist that the 7 of them in their party must stay together, and moving them to a Polynesian water hut when they paid for a tent campsite because it's the only place that works.

Corporations just don't do things like this. They know better, or at least they aren't naïve enough to spend the money to build the functionality to get burned that way. A few people (comparatively, a few people to Disney probably numbers more than 100) with trusted experience and tight monitoring are the key. They already know how to do it. Pay them overtime, but don't open it up to all your employees.

It's a really bad idea.
 
The answer to the original question is this: they will handle it the best they can with what they got.

Disney isn't gonna invest hundreds of thousands - if not millions of of additional overhead dollars to provide "less inconvenience in the face of natural disasters"

They're called "disasters" for a reason. Mama nature does what she wants, when she wants, and doesn't call ahead first.

It is what it is.
 
I say this kindly, but I think your youthful optimism is showing. If you have a few hundred CMs trying to reschedule Fort Wilderness guests into AoA at the same time, what do you think happens to the system? There is no way corporate America gives frontline employees this kind of reach. Nothing is designed for it and you can't just flip switches. Even if you did, it would cause problems in other parts of the system. Major changes to a reservations system are usually extensively tested before implementation. And there is not going to be a way to say "only Fort Wilderness guests can have fees waived" without extensive programming contingencies which no one pays for when systems are set up and can't just be slapped in on the fly. Since you can't do that, then you open yourself up to all kinds of abuse from a myriad of employees.

No, Disney will keep that functionality tightly constrained, just like anywhere else when you request something and need to be booted up the chain to make it happen.

Disney employees are hired with Zero experience/education and with little training...by and large...

Pricing overrides are tightly controlled and firewalled from general employee capabilities.

Yes...I've been on the other side of the firewall...never would i allow those in the front of house or call centers to do it alone even if I could have. There is hell to pay in a megacorp.
 
I don't know much about the long waiting on hold times with Disney-I do most of my research online & the online chat option & only call if absolutely necessary.

I did recently encounter a fantastic system that maybe Disney should adopt though. The Friday before the last hurricane , I became fast friends with the customer service ladies at Jet Blue, regarding my parents' flight out of Naples, & they had a system where they automatically call you back when a representative was available. It was so easy & non-stressful! I typed in my phone number, the automated system gave me an approximate call back time, & they called ME when ready. It was super easy!
Most places do this now. It is beyond me why Disney doesn't. Might be they like the added advertisement/feel good nostalgia music time.

I've spent over 45 minutes and at most 90 minutes waiting for service-not after any weather event either. They need to figure it out.

Consistency is not an isolated problem either. I've only been doing the parks for a year so maybe it's my "fresh" eyes/ears, but they have some serious issues to address if they want to catch up to other large customer service organizations. I do think they try, and I do think they've got their hands full-but I also think they could do better. Streamlined branding and service is important.
 
Disney invested a large amount of time, corporate planning and money in the prep to close all resorts, the parks and feed and entertain guests after the disastrous publicity about food in resorts during Matthew. Seems to me somebody has got to be working on a better way to handle the reservation side.
 
Disney invested a large amount of time, corporate planning and money in the prep to close all resorts, the parks and feed and entertain guests after the disastrous publicity about food in resorts during Matthew. Seems to me somebody has got to be working on a better way to handle the reservation side.

Yes...but what was the last major Florida landfall before Matthew? And if I recall correctly...even Matthews wasn't considered a direct strike.

The problem (on multiple fronts) is that there was a lull in Florida and that has allowed the greedy to push the agenda that the danger isn't greater...it is.
 
Yes...but what was the last major Florida landfall before Matthew? And if I recall correctly...even Matthews wasn't considered a direct strike.

The problem (on multiple fronts) is that there was a lull in Florida and that has allowed the greedy to push the agenda that the danger isn't greater...it is.
And I don't think irma is prompting them to fix the issue any quicker. Resort closure is just not something that happens often enough.
 
And I don't think irma is prompting them to fix the issue any quicker. Resort closure is just not something that happens often enough.

Agreed...even with a threat looming right now...the chances are another storm that will force closures in Orlando won't be for 5-10 years.
 

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