Speaking of corrals and placements, a guy posted the finishing data from this year's marathon online using Tableau to make it sortable and easy to analyze. One thing which jumps out right away is the evidence it's possible to run any time from 2.5 to 8 hours from any corral.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/...altDisneyWorldMarathon2018/DisneyMarathon2018

Very interesting. Clearly a fair number of people in the back corrals that somehow managed to sneak into and start from A corral.
 


Very interesting. Clearly a fair number of people in the back corrals that somehow managed to sneak into and start from A corral.

I'm sure there were some exceptions that snuck through and successfully corral jumped, but I can say that RunDisney was trying to police the situation. Waiting for the half to start, I saw someone from E/F up in the pack towards the front of Corral B. One of the RunDisney volunteers had apparently seen him slip in and chased him down in the corral and escorted him out. I'm sure they don't catch everybody, and I've seen pictures of people on FB where it was apparent that some photoshopped a new bib number and corral to cover their legit bib long enough to start in an earlier corral, but it's good to see rD at least trying to police the situation.
 
Or were able to get moved up by Race Relations at the expo.

Suppose that is possible. However, assuming this data is correct, I count about 400 people that had H bibs who started with A. When the rules clearly state that you can no longer get moved up to a better corral at the Expo, that seems like it would be a large number. I know there are stories of it happening, but to me that would be way more than expected.

I'm counting about 2000 people that started in an earlier corral than what their bib was assigned.

Just fun playing with numbers before Friday happy hour begins.
 


Suppose that is possible. However, assuming this data is correct, I count about 400 people that had H bibs who started with A. When the rules clearly state that you can no longer get moved up to a better corral at the Expo, that seems like it would be a large number. I know there are stories of it happening, but to me that would be way more than expected.

I'm counting about 2000 people that started in an earlier corral than what their bib was assigned.

Just fun playing with numbers before Friday happy hour begins.

That seems like a ridiculously high number. With less than 20K finishers more than 10% of people starting in the wrong corral sounds high.
 
That seems like a ridiculously high number. With less than 20K finishers more than 10% of people starting in the wrong corral sounds high.
It does, but a lot of peole were just jumping into B & C that I saw as B was heading out...no way they could police it...Some I'm sure were legit but others probably not. Two girls were looking for a spot to hope into C (where I was) very subtly & no one stopped them, & I honestly didn't care at the time as it wasn't hurting me. My brother had a guy in A next to him he clearly saw had an F bib, no sticker.

But wow all those numbers in those graphs/charts....my head might explode.
 
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Or were able to get moved up by Race Relations at the expo.

There do appear to be errors in this that lead to the appearance of lots of corral jumpers/people who got their bib changed at race relations.

As an example, it shows "Gau..." starting in Corral A with a time diff of 0 seconds, yet corral assigned was H. Finish time of 7:23. Yet, runDisney results show "Gau..." started about 58 min after gun time and not in corral A. There seem to be several examples of this littered in the A corral of people with small time diffs that were actually not the case.

Also, those that did not cross the start got a "A" designation with a 0 second diff, like "For...". Found a few very quick of these. Actually found a few that had no splits other than mile 20 and finish.

There are also errors in gun time vs net time for some that led to an "A" designation with a 0 second diff, like "Tay...". She finished in 5:28, yet this spreadsheet has her net as 6:07. Found a few very quick of these as well.
 
Suppose that is possible. However, assuming this data is correct, I count about 400 people that had H bibs who started with A. When the rules clearly state that you can no longer get moved up to a better corral at the Expo, that seems like it would be a large number. I know there are stories of it happening, but to me that would be way more than expected.

I'm counting about 2000 people that started in an earlier corral than what their bib was assigned.

Just fun playing with numbers before Friday happy hour begins.
I got moved up at the Expo from H to D, and there were many other people in line with me who were making similar corral changes.

And let me add, it is extremely easy to change your corral. Although I came prepared with printouts of POT, they didn't even look at it. I just said "I'm looking for a corral change" and they asked "what is your estimated time of finish", and I said around 4:35 or so, and they just put a "D" sticker on my bib. I get that they want to go thru the line as quickly as possible, but it seemed almost too easy.
 
There do appear to be errors in this that lead to the appearance of lots of corral jumpers/people who got their bib changed at race relations.

As an example, it shows "Gau..." starting in Corral A with a time diff of 0 seconds, yet corral assigned was H. Finish time of 7:23. Yet, runDisney results show "Gau..." started about 58 min after gun time and not in corral A. There seem to be several examples of this littered in the A corral of people with small time diffs that were actually not the case.

Also, those that did not cross the start got a "A" designation with a 0 second diff, like "For...". Found a few very quick of these. Actually found a few that had no splits other than mile 20 and finish.

There are also errors in gun time vs net time for some that led to an "A" designation with a 0 second diff, like "Tay...". She finished in 5:28, yet this spreadsheet has her net as 6:07. Found a few very quick of these as well.
It sounds like there are either some errors in the data or in the way it was sorted/filtered. I haven't pulled it up yet as I've already had my fill of Tableau for today!
 
I got moved up at the Expo from H to D, and there were many other people in line with me who were making similar corral changes.

And let me add, it is extremely easy to change your corral. Although I came prepared with printouts of POT, they didn't even look at it. I just said "I'm looking for a corral change" and they asked "what is your estimated time of finish", and I said around 4:35 or so, and they just put a "D" sticker on my bib. I get that they want to go thru the line as quickly as possible, but it seemed almost too easy.

This is very atypical compared to previous RunDisney events. I'd love to know if it's a new trend or if they had some rogue volunteers/staff going easy this year. I hope this isn't the new norm, though.
 
This is just my theory from watching back in F. But there were hoards of runners still headed into corral area as A started. some running to catch up I wouldn’t be surprised if others jumped in with those late A’s that weren’t.
 
This is just my theory from watching back in F. But there were hoards of runners still headed into corral area as A started. some running to catch up I wouldn’t be surprised if others jumped in with those late A’s that weren’t.
The 2018 marathon was my first runDisney event. My on opinion, which really isn't worth anything, is there should be two groups up front. First group should be elites. Second group should be "qualifiers" (as in Boston) or people who can prove they have the potential to finish in say 4:00 or less, that aren't in the elite group.

Both the elite and the qualifier groups, should have different bib colors than the rest of the runners, and there bib colors should different from each other. As for the rest of the field, corral placement should be based strictly on when you signed up. Aide from qualifiers there should be no POT submissions permitted. You sign up early, then you end up in Corral C. You sign up late, you end up in H. This way, people who are close to Boston qualification can't complain they got stuck behind people running a 6 hour pace, and lost their chance at qualifying. And in traditional fashion, Disney could set up an upcharge for people who want to pay their way to Corral C. Otherwise, everyone else is in the same pot. If using different color bibs to differentiate the elite and potential qualifiers from everyone else doesn't work, then I doubt any set up could be policed. One other thing race organizers could do is change the bib color for all corrals and not release the appearance of the bib until you go to pick up your packet. That way, someone can't photoshop or create their own bib at home with a different number on it and use that to move up into an earlier corral. Even this setup wouldn't stop people from hopping from corral t corral but different bib colors should help. Anyhow, that's my two cents.
 
The 2018 marathon was my first runDisney event. My on opinion, which really isn't worth anything, is there should be two groups up front. First group should be elites. Second group should be "qualifiers" (as in Boston) or people who can prove they have the potential to finish in say 4:00 or less, that aren't in the elite group.

Both the elite and the qualifier groups, should have different bib colors than the rest of the runners, and there bib colors should different from each other. As for the rest of the field, corral placement should be based strictly on when you signed up. Aide from qualifiers there should be no POT submissions permitted. You sign up early, then you end up in Corral C. You sign up late, you end up in H. This way, people who are close to Boston qualification can't complain they got stuck behind people running a 6 hour pace, and lost their chance at qualifying. And in traditional fashion, Disney could set up an upcharge for people who want to pay their way to Corral C. Otherwise, everyone else is in the same pot. If using different color bibs to differentiate the elite and potential qualifiers from everyone else doesn't work, then I doubt any set up could be policed. One other thing race organizers could do is change the bib color for all corrals and not release the appearance of the bib until you go to pick up your packet. That way, someone can't photoshop or create their own bib at home with a different number on it and use that to move up into an earlier corral. Even this setup wouldn't stop people from hopping from corral t corral but different bib colors should help. Anyhow, that's my two cents.
This doesn’t sound like an improvement to me it actually sounds worse. No need for different colored bibs either when you have the corral listed right on the bib.
 
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The 2018 marathon was my first runDisney event. My on opinion, which really isn't worth anything, is there should be two groups up front. First group should be elites. Second group should be "qualifiers" (as in Boston) or people who can prove they have the potential to finish in say 4:00 or less, that aren't in the elite group.

They already do this. If you enter a 3:15 proof of time, you'll be placed in a corral near or just behind the elite athletes. If you enter a 3:45, same thing.

Both the elite and the qualifier groups, should have different bib colors than the rest of the runners, and there bib colors should different from each other. As for the rest of the field, corral placement should be based strictly on when you signed up. Aide from qualifiers there should be no POT submissions permitted. You sign up early, then you end up in Corral C. You sign up late, you end up in H.

From a safety standpoint, this makes no sense. Why potentially have the slowest people in front of faster people solely because they entered first? No other race does this, and for good reason. Having fast people run through slow people is dangerous and frustrating for everyone.

One other thing race organizers could do is change the bib color for all corrals and not release the appearance of the bib until you go to pick up your packet.

They already do this. The bibs are different every year and no one gets to see what they look like until they pick them up.
 
This doesn’t sound like an improvement to me. No need for different colored bibs either when you have the corral listed right on the bib.
See....I told you - my opinion really isn't worth anything! :) Only reason I suggest different color bibs, is it would be easier for attendants to separate people trying run into a corral where they don't belong. I was in corral E, and not a single attendant asked to see my bib on the way in. I think there were just two attendants at the entrance and their heads were spinning in circles with all the people going/pushing by them. And, my number was 10187. Initially, I was placed in G, but runDisney didn't apply my POT correctly. They moved me up to E and I had a blue sticker with the letter E on it as proof I was reassigned. But again, no one even looked at my bib. So, that's how people jumped from corral to corral. I would think different color bibs would require just a glance from an attendant instead of having to read the numbers or other lettering while they were rushing in. Maybe more attendants would work? Maybe there's just too many participants to keep it organized? If people would just line up as their told, it would be easy. But, nowadays, cheating is the preferred method to get what you want.
 
They already do this. If you enter a 3:15 proof of time, you'll be placed in a corral near or just behind the elite athletes. If you enter a 3:45, same thing.



From a safety standpoint, this makes no sense. Why potentially have the slowest people in front of faster people solely because they entered first? No other race does this, and for good reason. Having fast people run through slow people is dangerous and frustrating for everyone.



They already do this. The bibs are different every year and no one gets to see what they look like until they pick them up.[/QUOTEAll that said, it sounds like there's no solution easy solution. But I will say that someone on this board said earlier they he was able to discern that apparently someone from Corral H was able to run a 2:30. Sounds improbable to me, but he apparently was able to figure it out. If someone can run a 2:30 from Corral H, then I would venture a guess that faster people wouldn't necessarily have a difficult time blowing thru the pack sof slower people. Oh well......guess you'll all have to live with the system that's in place, and let the cheaters cheat their way to the front.
 

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