Monorail Red door OPEN while in motion! Video Link

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  1. mshanson3121

    mshanson3121 DIS Veteran

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    And the award for biggest Disney Apologist goes to....
    Are you for fricking real? "HIS" standards? You mean the ones where he expects safety features to work properly?

    And the runner up is..... ;)

    Why should they do a rest run? Because per reports, they had been working on the car previously due to door issues. But instead of doing a test run, they put it back into service. Except when it went immediately back into service, the SAME ISSUE popped up: the door wouldn't close and they had to FORCE it shut. Which immediately, to ANYONE with a fraction of a brain, should indicate that IT WASN'T FIXED and should not have been sent out. Someone should have been on their little walkie talkie. It should have been pulled immediately, not sent out on a run. The fact that they pulled it in after the fact, is pointless.
     
  2. mcjaco

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    Yes, there are legal standards. They fulfilled them. I can't tell you how many times in the past 40 years I've ridden the monorail and they've had to come over and push a door closed. They didn't breach (watch out here comes a legal term), the standard of care. Could it have been handled differently? Yes.

    And no one is blatantly attacking anyone here, until your post. There's multiple sides to a discussion, when you can't see the other side, and only yours.....well.....
     
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  4. rteetz

    rteetz Rumors and News Moderator Moderator

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    They worked on the door and the door appeared to be working. If they do a test run and it works fine does that mean it’s fine? What if that first ride with guests it opens back up? You just don’t know until it happens. It’s not like they had it leave the station with the door open knowingly.

    And no I’m not a Disney apologist I’m thinking from a mass transit point of view and as someone who used the monorail everyday over the last week.
     
  5. mshanson3121

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    If they had done a test run or two, and it worked fine, and it happened to fail later, at least they can say with a clear conscious that they took reasonable precautions to make sure it was working properly before sending it out loaded with people. "Look, we knew there was a problem, we fixed it, it was shutting fine in the station, just to be sure we ran it on a few test runs, and everything was fine." Now, it still doesn't necessarily make what happened on dock okay (running it despite the door malfunctioning again), but... it definitely makes it sound like they had invested more time/effort into making sure it was running properly. And it also gives them a possible "out", since, after all, it was working fine when they ran it through the test run. They could play the "there was no reason to think it was the same issue, based on performance."

    But, that's not what happened.

    There was a known problem. Did they attempt to fix it? Yes. Did they assume they had fixed it? Based on it sitting still in the station, yes. But they never tested their repair to see how it would hold up when actually running. Instead, they chose to immediately put it back into service. And hey, whatever. They had that right. It appeared fixed at that point based on the bare minimum requirements after all. Except that IMMEDIATELY after it was clear the repairs hadn't worked, because yet again, the door wouldn't shut, and they had to force the door shut. Unfortunately, despite having knowledge of an immediate prior problem with the door not shutting, despite seeing that the problem had resurfaced immediately, instead of choosing to be safe and unload the people and take it offline for further investigation/repair, they chose to ignore it and just tried to force the door shut, and sent it out with people.

    And that is what is inexcusable, and also I might add, legally negligent. Quit trying to make excuses. There aren't any.
     
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  6. Arielfan98

    Arielfan98 All Star Resorts Fan

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    Honest question.....Does anyone believe this is in part to the fact Disney is not spending money to renovate/purchase new monorails?
    (I am not stating my opinion, I am just curious as to what other people think).
     
  7. umichigan10

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    If we’re honest they probably should’ve cleared the people out of that car and taken that section of the train out of service. That way they could at least prevent a PR nightmare
     
  8. sachilles

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    Probably the middle ground is run it, but don't let folks board that doorway. Unless someone hops the seat internally, you effectively take that door out of play.
     
  9. jade1

    jade1 I spend half my money on WDW, and waste the rest.

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    They should just remove it. Do a ground connection to GF/Poly.
     
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  10. mshanson3121

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    My opinion is maybe.

    I mean, the reality is, malfunctions can happen on brand new stuff, too. So, it really could have just been one of those things, kwim?

    But, on the other hand, given that there's been I think someone said 5 "major" incidents in the last couple years, and if you read through these pages, there are other reports of the doors not shutting as well (let's face it, this isn't the first time it's happened, just the first time someone recorded/reported it)... then, that probably increases the likelihood, that this is due to the fact that they're past due for upgrading the system (whether that's through a major overhaul or replacement).

    Will this force them to upgrade? Probably not, unless this gets picked up hard in mainstream media, and they face significant pressure, and even then I don't think it will. Now, if someone had been injured, then, probably yes. Unfortunately, Disney, like most businesses, will count their lucky stars that they avoided major catastrophe, and carry on as they always have, rather than be proactive.
     
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  11. lilaclily

    lilaclily Earning My Ears

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    This is a sad case of affairs. They are looking for the big picture, (constant construction) but not the details. Details are everything.
     
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    That puts more stress on buses and the ferries then as well. People aren’t going to want to walk.
     
  13. rteetz

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    What are the 5 major incidents though? I can only think of three. A piece falling off, the door, and an evacuation. Common breakdowns are not major incidents.
     
  14. ArwenMarie

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    I was thinking this same thing. I wonder who was trying to fix the door and who eventually got it to close. Was that person authorized to pull the car and say no more people in that car until we investigate more? Or is there a mile of paperwork and higher-ups that have to be called in. It would be interesting to know more, although I guess we never will
     
  15. rteetz

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    That is a good point. It could have been a monorail CM working the station. They likely don’t have the authorization to say we shouldn’t run this train.
     
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  16. jade1

    jade1 I spend half my money on WDW, and waste the rest.

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    I'm talkin the same trams (or a new ground tram since the raised track is decaying) as the MK parking lot, or walk. Just loop from Poly to GF to MK to CR, and back. Or have the CR with its own to keep the front of MK less cluttered. Maybe even direct to MK from the MK lot and back, so the Resorts have their own.
     
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  17. rteetz

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    I’ve heard monorail red won’t be coming back out of the shop for a few months.
     
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  18. Aurora0427

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    There definitely should be a way to walk to the Magic Kingdom from Polynesian and GF. We stay at both resorts regularly, and we’d definitely walk, especially from the Grand. It may not get used as much I’m tge summer, but the weather is relatively mild October through early May.
     
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  19. Kainsel

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    Just came across this youtube video of a former CM take on the situation:

     
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  20. sachilles

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    The pathway from the GF to the main gate is still a curious thing for me.

    The only thing I've been able to dig up is that the electric light parade barges come out of the canal, and making low bridge would prevent that. The other thing that I've read is that is the way out for the river boat in frontier land should it need to be serviced.
    To cross the canal, if the above is true, it needs some sort of draw bridge or other solution to allow that waterway to be used.

    The water way already has a lock, a draw bridge, and a rotating bridge. It does surprise me it isn't connected yet, especially with the custom bricks leading up to the canal. Seems like it would be great for the surrey bikes, jogging, walking etc. In fact I'm surprised there isn't a path around the entire lake.

    I'm guessing it was one of those expenditures that wasn't deemed necessary when the GF was built, and is now forgotten about. We can hope that enough money frees up to finish it, and somebody actually makes it happen.

    I'd also think that some sort of walking path from Wilderness lodge would make sense if it's feasible for relatively low outlay of cash.

    I suspect both of these ideas are established, but perhaps waiting for other area development to occur before they go to the trouble of implementing it.
     
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  21. ArwenMarie

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    A walking path around the entire lagoon would be awesome
     

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