Security

[scrapshappen]

Last time I was there, we always saw a dog on the Harbor side. But inconsistency is also part of what is referred to in the business as "opsec." If security screening was the exact same thing every time you went through, it would be easier to foil.

What we can all do to make the lines go faster though, since that was what OP was asking about, is open every pocket of every bag before you set it on the table, empty out every pocket before going through the metal detectors, and basically just follow directions. I'm always surprised at the number of people who just throw their backpacks on the table and then wait to be asked to open it. Maybe they are first timers. Who knows.

 

[LYSE]

Last time I was there, we always saw a dog on the Harbor side. But inconsistency is also part of what is referred to in the business as "opsec." If security screening was the exact same thing every time you went through, it would be easier to foil.

Yes Opsec is real however it usually involves having a baseline and making it change slightly usually more secure, disney's baseline is way to casual and ineffective, anyone who thinks no one would think of watching a line or sending someone in first to check what is currently being done simply isn't using their brain.

Dog at the bag check? Go to the next one or wait for the dog to leave.

 

[DLgal]

Yes Opsec is real however it usually involves having a baseline and making it change slightly usually more secure, disney's baseline is way to casual and ineffective, anyone who thinks no one would think of watching a line or sending someone in first to check what is currently being done simply isn't using their brain.

Dog at the bag check? Go to the next one or wait for the dog to leave.

Casual and ineffective? Exactly how many mass casualty events have occurred at Disneyland? Did I miss something?

This topic keeps coming up. The security at DLR is exceptionally good. It is constantly being tweaked and enhanced. For every "visible" security thing you see there are 10 more that you can't.

This is not the TSA. Disney is a private entity and spends a LOT of money on security. They are not regulated by government beuracracy.

There are undercover security guards (who are armed, by the way) in the security lines with you. Always. There are people watching the line, always, with cameras that have facial recognition software that is constantly sending every face through databases of know terrorists and criminals. In addition, these cameras analyze body language and point out "suspect" individuals, who are then screened extra well, via the communications that all the security has (like, they will send out into the radio "extra check on the man with the green jacket and black hat.") If you enter Disney's bubble, your picture IS taken and you are watched, all the time.

People in a line are not a soft target. People in a line are very easy to monitor, and the dogs really only can work effectively with people in a line. When you see the dogs walking the line, you can bet they were called over because someone triggered extra scrutiny via the other security stuff in place that you don't see.

People who are going to do something bad can't usually hide it via their behavior. It's like a lie detector test...but more obvious when you know what to look for.

 

[LYSE]

Casual and ineffective? Exactly how many mass casualty events have occurred at Disneyland? Did I miss something?

This topic keeps coming up. The security at DLR is exceptionally good. It is constantly being tweaked and enhanced. For every "visible" security thing you see there are 10 more that you can't.

This is not the TSA. Disney is a private entity and spends a LOT of money on security. They are not regulated by government beuracracy.

There are undercover security guards (who are armed, by the way) in the security lines with you. Always. There are people watching the line, always, with cameras that have facial recognition software that is constantly sending every face through databases of know terrorists and criminals. In addition, these cameras analyze body language and point out "suspect" individuals, who are then screened extra well, via the communications that all the security has (like, they will send out into the radio "extra check on the man with the green jacket and black hat.") If you enter Disney's bubble, your picture IS taken and you are watched, all the time.

People in a line are not a soft target. People in a line are very easy to monitor, and the dogs really only can work effectively with people in a line. When you see the dogs walking the line, you can bet they were called over because someone triggered extra scrutiny via the other security stuff in place that you don't see.

People who are going to do something bad can't usually hide it via their behavior. It's like a lie detector test...but more obvious when you know what to look for.

Go back and read my previous posts, I already stated Disney Security is good...I was only referring to the bag check/metal detector area as a theatre show and calling it ineffective.

If you seriously think that the entry check can stop a determined threat you are really living a magical land populated by unicorns.

 

[DLgal]

Go back and read my previous posts, I already stated Disney Security is good...I was only referring to the bag check/metal detector area as a theatre show and calling it ineffective.

If you seriously think that the entry check can stop a determined threat you are really living a magical land populated by unicorns.

How do you know they haven't already stopped a determined threat?

 

[LYSE]

How do you know they haven't already stopped a determined threat?

I would be willing to bet they have, with the help of local state and federal authorities before they even got to stand in a bag check line.

But if you want to get into the unknown how do you know they have?

Do you think a suicide bomber would say "You got me! Good job let me just follow you quietly around back and not blow my self up"

You want to see the best security possible? Fly out of Ben Gurion airport, two metal detectors a bag search + swabs and the whole time security talking to you and asking questions to determine your state of mind. At least at that point I can say it's reasonable to assume you are in a sterile area.

 

[mummabear]

Casual and ineffective? Exactly how many mass casualty events have occurred at Disneyland? Did I miss something?

This topic keeps coming up. The security at DLR is exceptionally good. It is constantly being tweaked and enhanced. For every "visible" security thing you see there are 10 more that you can't.

This is not the TSA. Disney is a private entity and spends a LOT of money on security. They are not regulated by government beuracracy.

There are undercover security guards (who are armed, by the way) in the security lines with you. Always. There are people watching the line, always, with cameras that have facial recognition software that is constantly sending every face through databases of know terrorists and criminals. In addition, these cameras analyze body language and point out "suspect" individuals, who are then screened extra well, via the communications that all the security has (like, they will send out into the radio "extra check on the man with the green jacket and black hat.") If you enter Disney's bubble, your picture IS taken and you are watched, all the time.

People in a line are not a soft target. People in a line are very easy to monitor, and the dogs really only can work effectively with people in a line. When you see the dogs walking the line, you can bet they were called over because someone triggered extra scrutiny via the other security stuff in place that you don't see.

People who are going to do something bad can't usually hide it via their behavior. It's like a lie detector test...but more obvious when you know what to look for.

I think Disney does an amazing g job, the fact that there has been no events, and no attempts that we even k is of shows that.

I disagree that they are not creating a soft target with that bottle neck and that a determined individual/s couldn't attack at that point.
And all I'm saying Disney needs to change to reduce that risk is to better staff the security check points so it doesn't get so backed up.
Once we are through that point, I have almost complete faith that I am safe within the parks.

 

[HydroGuy]

Inconsistency again..dogs aren't always there. Infact I will say that I've almost never seen the dogs at the bag checks (coming from the onsite hotels) and when I have seen the dogs I didn't see them checking the bags, if they were working then they are wake dogs that really only pick up on explosives in the crowd it would be VERY hard for a wake dog to pick up the scent of firearms in a crowd from far away, especially if an effort was made to mask the scent like placing them with diapers in a vacuum sealed bag.

The dogs however are the most effective part of any visible security, I say add more dogs ditch the bag check.

There are plenty of dogs around DLR. I see Pluto and Goofy all the time. No worries there!

 

[whoever]

I have almost complete faith that I am safe within the parks.

I feel MORE exposed.

 

[Linkura]

Except the dogs you walked past to get through security would have indicated on the guns. That's there job and I've witnessed them do it before.

I don't think I saw any dogs at all this past Sunday-Wednesday.

 

[wowsmom]

What we can all do to make the lines go faster though, since that was what OP was asking about, is open every pocket of every bag before you set it on the table, empty out every pocket before going through the metal detectors, and basically just follow directions. I'm always surprised at the number of people who just throw their backpacks on the table and then wait to be asked to open it. Maybe they are first timers. Who knows.

This. So many people don't open their bags or even take them off their backs until they are at the front of the line. We rarely take a bag with us but know we have to wait - it would be nice if people were a little more efficient.

We've gone in through DTD quite a few times this summer and the people around us are never prepared and are always complaining and whining about having to be checked. I always say thank you to the security people because I'm sure they get a lot of attitude!

 

[felice]

With glass bottles, it is always possible to alert a CM to the fact that you are carrying those; they will find someone to escort you through. My wife and I were carrying bottles of wine through the Downtown Disney area at one point (having bought them at a store) and the escort is there, I think, not just to protect us all but to protect against accidents from happening involving the glass items.

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Go back and read my previous posts, I already stated Disney Security is good...I was only referring to the bag check/metal detector area as a theatre show and calling it ineffective.

If you seriously think that the entry check can stop a determined threat you are really living a magical land populated by unicorns.

They may not get everything, but they do get some things. My little metal button triggers it.

It's the world we live in today. We just have to manage our time better to deal with it.

I don't think I saw any dogs at all this past Sunday-Wednesday.

I was there on Sunday for MouseAdventure and they were at the Downtown Disney entrance.

 

[LYSE]

They may not get everything, but they do get some things. My little metal button triggers it.

It's the world we live in today. We just have to manage our time better to deal with it.

Sure it gets metal objects people carry on body and either forgot about or didn't think would be a problem, so basically it's just a pain since no one here has been able to come up with any reasonable scenario where the security check mechanism could stop someone who fully intends to get something passed them OR just blow up the line.

Yes it's the world we live in today because people accept it without even second guessing it and are even thankful for making us at times, less safe.

 

[traveln4fun]

If waiting in a 45 minute line means that my family is safer, I have no problem with it. I haven't seen a line that long, in fact, the last few times we have been there (9/15 was the last time, we are usually there two weekends a month) the line wasn't more than 2-3 minutes. We don't get there until about 10A.M. so that we miss the rush in the morning. I also have no problem with security going thru EVERY pocket in my purse.

 

[LYSE]

If waiting in a 45 minute line means that my family is safer, I have no problem with it.

Well ...it doesn't lol

See the rest of the thread for details.

 

[mummabear]

I feel MORE exposed.

Each to their own, personally I think an event is unlikely in the park, it would require a number of CMS to achieve it and I think the chances are very minimal

 

[MillauFr]

I feel MORE exposed.

Only your credit card is exposed and at risk of attack by the mouse.

 

[whoever]

Each to their own, personally I think an event is unlikely in the park, it would require a number of CMS to achieve it and I think the chances are very minimal

I just dislike CA in general since they frown on the ability to protect oneself personally and rely entirely on farming out protection.

 

[whoever]

Only your credit card is exposed and at risk of attack by the mouse.

I've already got Pre-Traumatic-Disney-Stress-Disorder due to the looming cost of my November trip. No expense presently being spared.