Discussion in 'Disney Rumors and News' started by TheMaxRebo, Dec 11, 2017.
Holy poop!! This made my day. Goes to email my pops...
Ewoks are warm and fuzzy on dark, cold nights...especially Teeblo
Leisure suit bill shatner...awesome
I bet you know a lot...we should talk about those subjects
I actually agree with everything you said prior to this, though...
I just think - like he prequels - people may see bits and pieces of this movie for years and continue the quest for the hidden thing they missed that pays off...but be as successful as they would finding the lucky charms leprechauns beach house.
The fact is - I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Many people (apparently you as well) didn't. I'm unlikely to convince you it is good as you are to convince me it's bad. One of the greatest movies of all time is considered to be Vertigo. I hate that movie. It doesn't make me "wrong", it just strikes me as Jimmy Stewart's character is a crazy idiot, and so he completely turns me off to the whole movie. (And I LOVE Hitchcock otherwise.) I enjoy Citizen Kane, but lots of people hate that movie with a passion. There are many other very divisive movies like this in existence. Blade Runner, Brazil, The Shining, even the prequels have their defenders.
There are clearly, many, many people that liked or loved the last Jedi, I talked to friends at work and outside of work that really enjoyed it. I've said in the real world, it's probably about 90 to 10 in favor of it. On here it seems more evenly split, but I notice the people that hate it tend to be more vocal so it's hard to say. (The people that like it come on and post once that they like it - the people that hate it post 30 or 40 times.) My wife is not a Star Wars fan and she really enjoyed it, as did my daughter. Just because you didn't enjoy it doesn't mean I'm right and your wrong...we are both right. Everyone on this thread is in fact completely right. That's how cinema works. It affects us all in different ways. It's fun to argue about it, but in the end, it's an argument that no one's going to win. I'm not suddenly going to go "Oh yeah, how DID Rey learn to lift all those rocks so fast." and think what a pile of crap. Now at some point I may rewatch it and find I don't like it as much, it's quite possible, but until I watch it again I am not changing my mind by what anyone here says.
But arguing is fun. Heck, I'll gladly argue with folks that A New Hope is better movie IMO than Empire Strikes Back. We could have 100 pages on that argument - though I know the majority of fans prefer the latter, and at one point I was one of them, I feel I can make a very persuasive argument why (not saying ESB is bad - just not as good). But if you believe ESB is better, it is extremely unlikely I will convince you or anyone else.
Enough for now.
The problem with Star Wars is that it can't be compared to shawshank or north by northwest...
Star Wars is a pop culture mass phenomenon...it's already lost a lot of its mystique and will continue to do so (along with its financial muscle)...if they can't get everyone on the same page with story and character formulas.
It flatlined down 41% from the reboot...
That is over $200 mil away from the "acceptable" 30% drop that was all the rage to talk about a couple weeks ago.
They're talking about this...rest assured. Farewell, Rian...
And that won't be Kathy kennedys call...lest she joins him.
Yeah, that's why I've stopped replying to the thread in general.
I've stayed out of the conversation for the most part as any point I'd want to make has already been covered very well by previous posts. I'd consider myself a pretty big Star Wars fan. Grew up in the 80s with the Empire being the 1st movie I can ever remember seeing in the theater. Had my boxes of Star Wars toys along with multiple 'Darth Vader head' cases of figures. Read the Thrawn trilogy as they were released back in the 90s. Currently an avid reader of the Marvel comics (Star Wars/Vader/Dameron/Aphra) ...
I'm firmly in the position that TLJ was a really fun well filmed pop-corn flick but just not a good Star Wars film. I don't think it was Ep 1 or 2 bad, but I would only put TLJ ABOVE Eps 1 and 2 as far as all the other films go. I don't think Disney has destroyed Star Wars or anything as dire, but I feel it ads even more pressure onto Ep 9 to see how things get wrapped up and explained.
At my local comic shop and other geek dens I may frequent it's probably a 50/50 split on TLJ. Outside of my geek circles you're looking at ~90/10 with 90 in favor.
When it comes to the box office drop-off, I wonder if a lot of people were hoping/assuming that the new trilogy would be focused on the continuing adventures of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewy.
In The Force Awakens, there was some hints of this. In The Last Jedi, combined with the real life death of Carrie Fisher, that dream is buried. There is no more hope for that.
If someone was hoping for the Original Trilogy Team-up Part 2, there is no way they would (on first viewing) like TLJ, because it was the official notice of the end of their hopes. They're not going to be in a hurry to go back and see it again.
This movie made it clear that the new trilogy is only loosely tied to the original trilogy. The original characters' stories are not the focus and are only used to launch the new characters on their journeys. That's going to rub some people the wrong way, if they're not prepared for it. I don't think any effort real was made to prepare them for it, either.
These new films have some good actors and actresses, and even good writing. Good enough writing that they could make me stomach a character portrayed by Laura Dern. There is some competent film-making in these two movies - and hopefully the third.
I think there's a chance when these three movies are looked back on in 5 or 10 years, with the context that they are their own story - not a continuation - we'll see the opposite of what we saw with the prequels. They'll start to grow on people.
I definitely think it is clear that with TLJ Disney wanted to move on from the past (basically they are doing what Kylo said) b/c they can't live off Luke and Han and Leia forever. So TFA was to remind you of what you loved about Star Wars and TLJ was to move you onto the next chapter of Star Wars
Now, clearly people have reacted to that differently - but TFA definitely tapped into a lot of markets - those wanting a new adventure for their favorite heros, those wanting the new characters, I think having a female lead was attractive to a lot of people so I think more young girls were into it, etc. - while TLJ only made some of those groups happy
I do think if this move was "Star Wars: The New Adventures, Episode II" instead of "Star Wars: The storyline you know and love, Episode VIII" the views might be a bit different
As others have discussed on this thread, I wonder when looking back on these films would it have been better to make Force Awakens a bridging epi/prologue to a new trilogy. TLJ might have agreed with me more if it was actually Ep7 signaling the new direction and feel.
I stopped replying 50 pages ago for that reason.
Remember when that Ewok gets shot and the other Ewok grabs his arm and tries to pull him up and then sits next to him all sad?
That gets me every time!
It's running about 100% this, with folks I talk with that are on the fence.
Doesn't make or break a good movie-but to bring back such great history, only to have it burn out way too quickly is kinda depressing/deflating.
There is a lot of nostalgia in our culture from those years. Like bands that make a comeback-but those often go on for years on end.
Han, and it looks like Luke were both one and done. Toss in Carrie actually dying and well.
I continue to feel bad for the poor Tauntauns in Empire. Poor beasties they suffered.
Heck I'll one-up you. I personally think Star Wars and Return of the Jedi are superior to Empire Strikes Back.
Because I like the movie best when all three main characters are working together for a common goal. I believe there is only one scene in Empire Strikes Back when Han, Luke, and Leia are with each other. One scene (and you all know what it is you nerfherder).
Star Wars flows well: You're in space, then you're following the droids around Tatooine, then Luke buys the droids, then he meets Ben, then they meet Han, then they fly to the Death Star, then they save Leia and run around together for awhile, then they escape the Death Star together, then they blow the Death Star up. Simple storyline with lots of group interaction. There are a few "empire at the Death Star" scenes sprinkled in the Tatooine scenes, but it's not too bad.
With Empire you're all over the place. It starts out fine as your on Hoth and everyone's working together to kill the Walkers. Then you are in degobagh and also on a space battle, then you're on degobah and in a cave, then your on degobah and another space battle, then your on Cloud City and Degobagh, then Luke goes to Cloud City but doesn't do a damn thing with Han or Leia, instead he crosses swords with his dad. Lots of solo action with Luke in that movie and not really any group activity.
I like the scenes with the threesome. I need them working together. Scenes with Luke by himself aren't as good.
That's why I like Jedi more than Empire. The threesome is at Jabba's palace working together, then they're in space working together, then on Endor working together. It's not until your 70% of the way through the movie that Luke breaks off from the pack to go cross swords with his dad again. There's lots of threesome action in Return of the Jedi.
I believe the interactions with Han, Leia, and Luke are what makes "Star Wars" special. There's none of that in Empire Strikes Back.
As if the Han Solo movie needed any more bad news... Deadpool 2 will now open the week before instead of after. The Deadpool film is getting good early press, the Han Solo movie is... well... coming to theaters near you.
And we still don’t have a trailer for solo
I heard it was supposed to come out today. I wonder if they will postpone the release until December
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