Teacher handcuffed leaving school board meeting

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  1. DawnM

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    What qualifications do your workers need to get the job? I don't care what other people make unless it is a comparable career. My 18 year old made $8.50/hour while still in high school. So what?

    I asked the question about the salary table.
     
  2. DawnM

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    I got pink slips every Spring the first 3 years of my teaching career. It was easier to deal with as a single without too many expenses. It was harder once we were somewhat dependent on my salary.
     
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  4. sam_gordon

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    Experience in the field. What's your point?

    I've got people with 30+ years of experience making less than the starting teacher pay posted. The "woe is me, I can't raise a family on that" gets old. And no, I don't think teachers are over paid or don't work hard. I think they should get paid more. But playing the victim every time teacher salary comes up is tiring.

    And I didn't try to answer it and wasn't replying to you, so why does it matter that I didn't answer the question?
     
  5. MillauFr

    MillauFr Buzz & Woody

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    But if you say something over and over people will start believing it no matter if it is true or not.
     
  6. LSUmiss

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    Here in many schools, the high school football coaches are often teachers too so they would cut more teachers. I think the bigger issue in my district is Classroom size & workload on teachers. I don’t think paying teachers more is the solution b/c that won’t improve the education for the kids. And even though it is hard to get a job in the days off & they don’t get a lot, they are off a lot. Plenty ppl get paid similar amounts & work more hours in other fields. I think the answer is more $ to hire more staff & teachers to decrease class size & workload on teachers. That’s where I have a problem with superintendents & adminstrstors padding their own salaries. That $ could often be better used in the schools.
     
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  7. momz

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    I respect teachers and the challenges faced. I also know there are corrupt school boards and administration.

    However, having worked in the private sector my entire life while recently changing my career to teaching, I have to say that teaching is the easiest job I've ever had! The days are not nearly as grueling. there are many breaks in the day for planning and grading. And the hours are amazing! Not to mention the breaks. No weekends, no holidays (unless it's a snow makeup day).

    As far as the pay is concerned, yes my teaching salary is less than what I made before, however, I can easily make up for that by working a part time job that is one to two shifts per month plus more during breaks if I want them.

    I don't know, I see teachers whining about pay and working conditions and I just think they really have nothing to compare it to.
     
  8. LSUmiss

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    I’ve said that too. I’m not a teacher but work in the school system. Many in my same dept (also not teachers) complain about pay, but the ones who do have not worked in other agencies in the field like I have. It is lower pay, but much less stressful & much more time off.
     
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  9. declansdad

    declansdad DIS Dad #639 New Brunswick, Canada

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    You have the easiest teaching job I have ever heard of.
     
  10. MillauFr

    MillauFr Buzz & Woody

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    In Washington State they are desperate for teachers. The districts with a lower tax base, pay less. They have multiple teacher openings and can't fill them. They are hiring people with no teaching credentials because they can't find enough teachers. Many quit and move to districts in the Puget Sound where teachers with experience and master's degrees can make $80 to 90k. The districts that only pay $60 to 70k can't find enough people. The situation is so bad that there have been lawsuits forcing the state to increase funding by 10 billion dollars in an effort to level the playing field. Hopefully the added funding will improve the situation.
     
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  11. LSUmiss

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    Sorry, I should have said in this area. I realize different areas have different needs. But there is no shortage of teachers here based on open positions. The shortage comes from lack of $ to hire enough so they jam the classrooms. The teachers here don’t get even close to $60k much less $90. Are these still 9 month district or schools that go yr round?
     
  12. MillauFr

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    Most of the districts in the Puget Sound start classes after Labor day and finish in the 3rd/4th week of June. 9 1/2 months. The kids have 10 weeks off. I'm sure the teachers have to be there early and leave after the kids so they get about 8 weeks off in the summer. The Tacoma newspaper has a database of all of the teachers salaries for the state. The data is two years old so they need to update it...

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/databases/article170380182.html
     
  13. Kathryn Merteuil

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    I used to be a teacher and I did not think the pay was bad. I guess as a beginning teacher it was pretty low, but it got a lot better. I am in an entirely different line of work now, and I make more than I did as a beginning teacher, but less than I did when I got out of teaching. Honestly, I never really had an issue with what I was being paid or the benefits I received. There are definitely great perks to teaching when it comes to time off; holidays, Christmas vacation, and of course the summer. On paper, it is almost too good to be true.

    The reality of teaching seems to be that it can be pretty much as easy or as difficult as you make it. If you choose to do it the "right" way, it will consume your life. You are simply not there from 8:00 to 3:00 for 9 months of the year. You are there early every morning, you are staying late every afternoon. You are there in the evenings attending ballgames because it just "is the right thing to do" whether or not you care about sports. You are sponsoring activities after school. You are spending many Saturdays doing school related activities, going to watch band competitions etc... There are so many extra things that you attend, it barely leaves you time to grade papers and prepare lessons etc... in what spare time you might have. It is highly stressful, and VERY political. Everything you say/do even outside of the classroom is scrutinized (especially in small-town America). You will also be spending your summers attending conferences, working on unit plans, and preparing for the next year. Granted you will not be spending every day of your summer doing school stuff, but there will be a significant amount of "vacation time" spent on school issues.
     
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  14. DisneyHardin

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    It’s more than just experience, it also education. In KY, you are required to have a Masters Degree by the time you’ve been teaching 10 years or they won’t renew your teaching certificate.

    I’m a teacher, and I make good money, but I work in a large urban district. Before I moved and still worked in a rural district, I barely made enough to live on. I didn’t have any kids, but if I had, they would have qualified for free lunch based off my salary.

    Yes, my contract says I work 7 hours a day for 194 days. That is not all I work. My contract day is 9-4. I’m always at school by 730 and not out the door until at least 430. I teach 6 classes a day with a 30 minute planning time. There is much more work to be done than I could even begin to get done in 30 minutes of planning a day. So don’t quote an hourly rate based on a 7 hour day. There is not a teacher in the country who doesn’t put in hours outside that 7 hour day.
     
  15. DawnM

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    Not playing the victim AT ALL. I am just saying that if you have workers who don't have to go to school and not work for 7 years to get a BA, and MA, and do their student teaching for free for training, then we really don't have an argument.

    Which you did not answer.

    And for the record, I DID make enough to support a family back in my last state. I do NOT here. And no, I can't just "go move." I now have a husband who also needs a job, etc...
     
  16. sam_gordon

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    I didn't state hourly rate. I said I have people with 30+ years of experience making less. And that's assuming 52 weeks of 40 hours/week (yes, they get vacation). So folks WITH experience, working at least as many hours as teachers, if not more are making less than the "entry level" teacher pay posted earlier. I'm comparing ANNUAL salary.
     
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  17. sam_gordon

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    Is higher education required? No, not with appropriate experience. But I'd say 97%+ of my employees have higher education. Masters? No. But that doesn't change how much they make, and it's less than teachers. Somehow they manage to get by. Yes, they ***** about pay, but not as much as the teachers on the DIS.
    So you put yourself in a situation that gets you more money. I started as an entry level worker making barely above minimum wage. I kept applying myself, moved around the company (could have moved to another company, even one in the same town) and am now in management. My employees will occasionally complain because others in the company (doing different jobs) seemingly get more money, more time off, etc. I tell them they are free to apply for those positions when there are openings. Funny, it's rarely done.
     
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  18. DawnM

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    Invite them to join the DIS and get ALL the other people in that exact profession around the country to join the DIS, and you will see it. What a ridiculous statement. There just happen to be a lot of teachers, a common profession, on the DIS.....so what?

    When I started in the profession, it was a good gig. It isn't any longer. That is all I am saying. But I am too far in and too old to start over. But I sure do NOT encourage anyone to go into education any more.

    And how much exactly are you talking about? How much do you pay?

    I really don't have too many options to make more money, HOWEVER, I have been applying for an online teaching job for a few hours every afternoon. It is hard to get in.

    In my last district, there were MANY more opportunities to make more money (work your prep period, tutor after school, teach off-track, etc....) here, you just do ALL of that as part of your contract......well, all except teaching off track.
     
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  19. dish rag

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    It gets very old hearing teachers complain about pay and working conditions. You know what the pay is all about by the time you are sitting in that first class at the University.
     
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  20. DawnM

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    Like I said, it used to be a good gig, back when I sat in those classes in college. It isn't any more.

    You can just move on to a different thread if you want, or you can gripe about how you don't want to hear it. Either way, I can certainly state my opinion.
     
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    That's right, you are ASSUMING the officer acted correctly.
     

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