mousefan73
Germans are faster at dubbing
- Joined
- May 9, 2012
What I dont like about this movement is the whole black and whiteness of it. Calling it a sober movement. I can enjoy responsibility a few drinks here and there, and be sober. Having a glass of wine with dinner doesn't make me drunk or affect my health. Now having 2 will impair driving legally and having 3 one may be heading to drunk (disclaimer: depending on body type; DUI laws etc..)
I have a friend who has been 20 plus years sober, he has already found his "safe" places to socialize, but He doenst have an issue when we go out to dinner and I order a beer.
American culture has often demoralizted alcohol. Often the perception is any drinking is extreme drinking. I mean its the only country where one can legally buy a gun but has to wait 3 years to drink. Maybe it has to do with some religious background in the US. (cant buy beer on Sunday thing) ?? Even my muslims friends will go to normal bars, but wont drink alcohol, was never an issue. Or not allowing under 21 in bars. or sitting at the bar.
Europe is totally different, I moved here years ago. Here establishements where everyone, ,even kids can join is normal biz. There is no need for a SOBER movement. Since babies, our kids have joined us wine fests, pubs, biergartens etc.. One table might be drinking cokes and water and the other beer, Or a group of adults where half are not drinking and the other half none. I have also noticed growing up in the states, people simply drank faster.. servers coming by when half empty ( can I get you another?). Gotta turn those drinks, tables for tips and money.. In europe people sit for EVER to finish a coffee, a beer or a glass of wine can be nursed for an hour.
I can say that when I go back to the states, especially WDW I am part of this "sober" movement. The cost of alcohol in the USA is simply outrageous. I am talkiing the levels of Sweden, who is known be to be bad due to taxes. Paying 7 dollars for a beer or 12-15 for a half glass of wine is INSANE. Maybe I am spoiled living in germany but we pay a fraction when out... Do its diet coke for me most of the time when out dining in the states.
I have a friend who has been 20 plus years sober, he has already found his "safe" places to socialize, but He doenst have an issue when we go out to dinner and I order a beer.
American culture has often demoralizted alcohol. Often the perception is any drinking is extreme drinking. I mean its the only country where one can legally buy a gun but has to wait 3 years to drink. Maybe it has to do with some religious background in the US. (cant buy beer on Sunday thing) ?? Even my muslims friends will go to normal bars, but wont drink alcohol, was never an issue. Or not allowing under 21 in bars. or sitting at the bar.
Europe is totally different, I moved here years ago. Here establishements where everyone, ,even kids can join is normal biz. There is no need for a SOBER movement. Since babies, our kids have joined us wine fests, pubs, biergartens etc.. One table might be drinking cokes and water and the other beer, Or a group of adults where half are not drinking and the other half none. I have also noticed growing up in the states, people simply drank faster.. servers coming by when half empty ( can I get you another?). Gotta turn those drinks, tables for tips and money.. In europe people sit for EVER to finish a coffee, a beer or a glass of wine can be nursed for an hour.
I can say that when I go back to the states, especially WDW I am part of this "sober" movement. The cost of alcohol in the USA is simply outrageous. I am talkiing the levels of Sweden, who is known be to be bad due to taxes. Paying 7 dollars for a beer or 12-15 for a half glass of wine is INSANE. Maybe I am spoiled living in germany but we pay a fraction when out... Do its diet coke for me most of the time when out dining in the states.