piglet1979
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I am still thinking it is Beth. Last season when they went to visit Kevin in rehab Toby and Beth seemed to have bonded and became close.
Did you see that Jack was wearing the same green t-shirt on his date with Rebecca that he gave to Kate when they were at the pool?
Toby was not wearing a wedding ring in the flash forward.
I think Kate dies, possibly during childbirth. Maybe they have a daughter and the child is taken away because of Toby's mental issues compounded with guilt over not talking Kate out of IVF treatments? That's how Tess gets involved...because she is a social worker. Maybe their daughter is being adopted by a new family and that's where they are all headed?
Or maybe it's Rebecca, who would be Tess's grandmother. Once again, I think Kate died during childbirth and maybe Toby can't face Rebecca because he feels likes it's his fault.
I'll be very curious about the IVF story line. It's something I understand because that is why I have my twin children. Someone back a page or two said why would they jump so fast to IVF. Given the issues, it's not fast at all. PCOS is a reason for IVF a LOT of the time. Add in age (38) and male factor, and bam, absolutely. At 38, you don't have a whole lot of time to waste. 6 months tops would be all any legitimate doctor would recommend "trying the old fashioned way." What I will also add is that making it seem like IVF is risky for the mom is just ridiculous. Sure, like all medical procedures, it carries some small measure of risk, but not nearly as dramatic as being portrayed, that's for sure. I literally know hundreds and hundreds of women who have done IVF, and I do not know a single one who had any sort of life threatening, or even serious, complication because of IVF. The other thing they are glossing over is how expensive this procedure it. It would be much more realistic to have them worry about how to pay for it than Kate having some medical risk from it.
Did you see that Jack was wearing the same green t-shirt on his date with Rebecca that he gave to Kate when they were at the pool?
I'm not even sure *that* is very realistic. I had local anesthesia* for the egg retrieval portion and I don't remember having any for the embryo transfer. Mine was unsuccessful (also for PCOS, fwiw), but I don't remember general anesthesia being part of it at all. I don't think the local anesthesia is particularly risky. Childbirth (regardless of conception method) would be a lot riskier than IVF, I'd think.It wasn’t ivf in itself that was such a risk, it was Kate being put under with anesthesia that the doctor was concerned with.
I'm not even sure *that* is very realistic. I had local anesthesia* for the egg retrieval portion and I don't remember having any for the embryo transfer. Mine was unsuccessful (also for PCOS, fwiw), but I don't remember general anesthesia being part of it at all. I don't think the local anesthesia is particularly risky. Childbirth (regardless of conception method) would be a lot riskier than IVF, I'd think.
Editing because I'm not an expert on types of anesthesia: I was awake and talking throughout the whole procedure... but I think it was an IV anesthetic, not just a shot to numb the area.
It wasn’t ivf in itself that was such a risk, it was Kate being put under with anesthesia that the doctor was concerned with.
Enjoyed the show, will be watching. But starting to feel like they are reaching a bit for the gotchas. Deja bringing the shoes to Randall, the talk between Beth and Kevin. I don't think every episode has to be twisty to be good.
See you are reminding me of my own IVF. I was NOT under anesthesia. Conscious sedation, yes. Anesthesia no. You do NOT need to be under anesthesia for IVF. This was for egg retrieval, which would be slightly more painful than cramping for the average woman and therefore if you were at risk, I'm pretty sure they could do it without even that. For transfer of the embryos, I had nothing whatsoever, and it was way less "painful" (if you can even use that term) than a normal period. Seriously. Totally bogus. The difficult part is giving birth. Everything else was pretty much a breeze. And for a woman desperate to have a child, would be completely manageable. Heck, I would have done EVERYTHING without benefit of drugs if it meant having a healthy baby. That's what was wrong with the show as portrayed.
Maybe it's a family visit to a funeral home before a wake. There is usually a time for the family to gather and be with their loved one before visitation hours begin. I'm thinking Rebecca.
I thought it was, she would have wanted you there. Which made me think funeral.Does anyone know the EXACT words Randall said to Toby?
Did he say SHE WANTS you there?
Or
Did he say SHE WOULD HAVE WANTED you there?
Or
?
Did I miss something on the shoes? I thought it was just a gift. Did he talk about shoes before?