TRIGGER--Very Sad RCL Story


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Apr 8, 2015
I do believe you are correct. The recent discussion has revolved around the criminal negligence charge, not the civil suit.

I'm not conversant with how the US system works, but would one case be delayed in favour of waiting to see how the other develops?


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May 4, 2006
You feel that the CB posters agree that "the area involved" IS in the "child's play area" and it IS hazardous with the window opeded??? TIA
If you want a long, frustrating read, check out that CB thread. There are posters who simply refuse to believe first-hand information, even when pictures have been provided. I shudder to think of how solidly the lawyer wedged that scenario into the minds of the general public.

:flower3: For the record, I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for this family; there is nothing comparable to the death of a child by traumatic means. That said though, the only peril that befell this precious little one was inflicted by the Grandfather. The cruiseline has no culpability and sad as it is, I hope they hold the line and defend themselves vigorously against civil action.
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It's a big black fish to you
Mar 28, 2005
He admitted that he either stood or sat the kid on the railing. Per the photos there is no way a child that age reaches the window on their own. At question is whether he purposefully set her in front of an open window to let her see out, or even wave at the port, and lost his grip on her. His claim has been that he thought it was a closed window. Again from the photos of the pool deck, it seems obvious which windows are open.

that area is not a children’s play area. There is a children’s splash pool in the vicinity but nothing to make the table area especially attractive to children. At any rate, the child would not have been able to access the window without assistance.

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  • rigs32

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    Dec 3, 2001
    I'm not conversant with how the US system works, but would one case be delayed in favour of waiting to see how the other develops?
    Quite possibly, as a criminal verdict would like have an impact on the civil case. Though not the other way around because of the different standards of proof - more likely than not (civil) versus beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal)
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