What is the best surge protector out there?

[Floridaman999]

Best protection works on all electric systems from 1920 knob and tube to 2018 wiring. On all two and three wire electric. Using fuses or circuit breakers. If that was not obvious, well, most here want to argue and post cheapshots rather than learn what was routinely installed in facilities that cannot have damage - even over 100 years aso.

Your telco CO suffer about 100 surges with each storm. How often after every storm is your town without phone service for four days while they replace that $multi-million computer? Never? Exactly. Because they also do not use that pathetic and ineffective protectors. Only used is what any homeowner can installed for only $1 per appliance.

Rather than admit to being scammed by advertising, propaganda, wild speculation, hearsay, and lies from peers, the naive instead have resorted to cheapshots.

Did brainwashed consumers fail to learn about best protection is installed for free and required by code on cable TV, telephone, satellite dish, OTA antenna, and other incoming wires? Unfortunately most here want to argue rather than learn what was well understood and implemented over 100 years ago. What can easily be installed in any hone ... if only a homeowner concedes how easily scams manipulate.

900 joules means is only absorbs 300 joules and never more that 600. A scam recommendation could not be more obvious.

Thanks

 

[Hikergirl]

Rather than admit to being scammed by advertising, propaganda, wild speculation, hearsay, and lies from peers, the naive instead have resorted to cheapshots.

Nah, I guarantee my dh knows more about this subject than you but I'm not one to boast about all the knowledge I, or those I know possess. I do like to offer some lighthearted fun when it's clear someone on a thread does.

 

[soccerdad72]

When one cannot think for himself, then one attacks others. As if that is proof of superiority. In an honest and technical discussion, no person is relevant. When simple technology or honesty is too difficult, then the nave post cheapshots. Cheapshots are another symptoms of one who is incapable of making honest conclusions ie even ignores numbers.

View manufacturer specification that are clearly ignored.

How pathetic is that above amazon.com recommendation? It claims to absorb 300 joules and never more than 600 joules. A number in its title says it is ineffective. If any smaller, it could only be zero joules. A surge that tiny damages nothing - except that tiny joule protector.. No problem. They are not recommending to consumers who learn. They are promoting a magic box that has three five cent protector parts. Those, who would attack the messenger, then recommend it.

How irresponsible is that recommendation? Safe plug expanders have a 15 amp circuit breaker or a fuse. This one clearly does not.

Worse - and only the educated here can appreciate this - where is the so necessary UL listing? Not only do near zero joules mean no appliance protection and potential fire. It does not even have an essential UL listing for human protection.

In late 1980s, PC Magazine published two major articles about fires created by protectors. UL 1449 was created only to address that human safety threat. And still the emotionally educated will actually recommend a protect so dangerous as to not even list UL 1449. It does not even list UL 1363 - that defines a plug expander without protector parts as safe.

How many deniers also did not know about an essential breaker or UL 1449? Probably all. Which explains personal attacks rather than specification numbers.

Deniers even recommend a product that does not meet minimal human safety standards. Just another example of what happens when consumers can be brainwashed - will recommend what they are ordered to believe - cannot think for themselves.

This is no longer about appliances protection. Nasty naysayers even recommend products that do not provide human protection. So they must post cheapshot personal attacks - since that is only what the emotional understand.

I'll take 'People Who Don't Get It' for $800, Alex

 

[Floridaman999]

Really not sure if serious.

 

[wvjules]

What's happening here?

 

[Floridaman999]

What's happening here?

Electrical stuff.

 

[GreatLakes]

What's happening here?

My guess is Asperger's.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

So I will admit to not reading most of this. Is westom implying that there are no such thing as surges? Or that surge protectors don't do anything?

A one sentence answer would be appreciated.

 

[GreatLakes]

So I will admit to not reading most of this. Is westom implying that there are no such thing as surges? Or that surge protectors don't do anything?

A one sentence answer would be appreciated.

Apparently.

 

[Floridaman999]

So I will admit to not reading most of this. Is westom implying that there are no such thing as surges? Or that surge protectors don't do anything?

A one sentence answer would be appreciated.

I really did try to read one of the posts, and then re-read it again, and I still am not sure what they are trying to convey.

 

[wvjules]

The super old building I work in must have the whole "house" surge protection because we are told to plug in our appliances directly into the wall outlets, not into a surge protector.

 

[QueenIsabella]

My guess is Asperger's.

Mine, too. And I say that as an electrical engineer, with a son with Asperger's. And if I could take a moment to just defend my major, we're not all like that. Honest.

 

[bcla]

So I will admit to not reading most of this. Is westom implying that there are no such thing as surges? Or that surge protectors don't do anything?

A one sentence answer would be appreciated.

Maybe not one sentence, but still a short synopsis.

He's claiming:

1) Plug-in surge protectors don't really do anything and that the manufacturers are taking advantage of people's gullibility.
2) Home wiring should be directly grounded to earth (preferably in several places to reduce distance to any particular outlet) by connecting to buried rods.
3) A system that protects the whole home is needed.

 

[wenrob]

Maybe not one sentence, but still a short synopsis.

He's claiming:

1) Plug-in surge protectors don't really do anything and that the manufacturers are taking advantage of people's gullibility.
2) Home wiring should be directly grounded to earth (preferably in several places to reduce distance to any particular outlet) by connecting to buried rods.
3) A system that protects the whole home is needed.

Most likely:
4) Sells whole home systems?
5) Failing miserably at getting us all to see the light.

 

[bcla]

Most likely:
4) Sells whole home systems?
5) Failing miserably at getting us all to see the light.

Well yes.

There is something to be said in support of better grounding of homes. One article I read stated that the typical method was to connect the ground to a water pipe from the main breaker box. The author recommended an 8 ft metal rod buried into the ground. But driving one into the ground isn't all that easy. I've bent tent stakes just going in 5 inches when I hit a rock.

But the rest I get that few people are going to want to read. This is certainly not a technical forum, and even with my background in electrical engineering my eyes glazed over.

 

[westom]

Is westom implying that there are no such thing as surges? Or that surge protectors don't do anything?

What protects facilities that cannot have damage was recommended repeatedly. It costs about $1 per protected appliance. And is essential to even protect plug-in protectors - that costs tens of times more money.

Both are called surge protectors. One is a solution proven by science and experience even over 100 years ago. Other is a profit center that, if not protected, can even do this: https://imgur.com/hwCWHMW

 

[Floridaman999]

What protects facilities that cannot have damage was recommended repeatedly. It costs about $1 per protected appliance. And is essential to even protect plug-in protectors - that costs tens of times more money.

Both are called surge protectors. One is a solution proven by science and experience even over 100 years ago. Other is a profit center that, if not protected, can even do this: https://imgur.com/hwCWHMW

What exactly is the device that will protect each appliance for $1? Can you explain it to me like I'm a five year old? I truly don't understand what you're trying to convey.

 

[westom]

One article I read stated that the typical method was to connect the ground to a water pipe from the main breaker box.

Basic electrical knowledge says grounding to water pipes is bad - and a code violation. In Iraq, a soldier was killed in the shower because someone grounded to water pipes.

One who made many erroneous denials also did not know why water pipes are not safe grounds.

For surge protection, an earth ground must both meet and exceed code requirements.

 

[westom]

What exactly is the device that will protect each appliance for $1? Can you explain it to me like I'm a five year old?

The reply was a soundbyte. So it can only say effective solutions exists. And not for $1. Please read with greater care. About $1 per protected appliance.

Five year olds cannot read. Layman can start with this simple summary:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQu...do_we_actually_need_surge_protectors/eahgiy6/

 

[Floridaman999]

I give up.