Any adult Dis'ers into Hardcore Metal?

[Brocktoon]

Yes- Good Dog's burger has the cheese in the middle. I have GOT to tell you about the most incredible beer *I* have ever had there. It is made by Phila Brewing Co- it is called "Joe" Coffee Stout OMG! As soon as you put the glass up to your nose you can smell the coffee and chocolate! I actually have been e-mailing PBC back and forth about it. It is not out in South Jersey yet. Maybe Nov. But we can go their brewery in Kensington to get cases for $25!!! We just might grab our bullet proof vests and head on over Yes- The beer is literally "to die for"

Sorry metal peeps for being OT!

I'll probably be OT for just a bit as well ... I'm a huge beer geek.

My local beer store mentioned that PBC's 'Joe' in bottles should be out in the next few weeks, so I haven't seen any bottles over in PA yet either. If you haven't tried it yet, Flying Fish (based in Cherry Hill), has an Expresso Imperial Porter that is worth checking out if you like the coffee overtones.

I don't know if you know the history of the Yards / PBC breakup. It's created quite a little turf battle for the top 'based in Philly' brewer. I'm a Yards man myself, but I do like PBC's Kenzinger.

 

[maddhatir]

No Prob Hope you have fun!! Yeah Unearth are from Massachusetts so I have seen them at least a dozen times mostly back in the late 90's when they were hardcore / metalcore...Now they have become that weird hybrid of Metalcore/ New American Thrash which I find so strange i don't get how the two can be combined but it's the new thing these days...Speaking of Thy Will Be Done are really good I have seen them a few times as well and each time they impressed me. My buddies *cough, cough* hardcore band got Thy Will Be Done to headline their show a few months ago so they could actually get people to show up it was a good show...even though I can't stand Hardcore kids they are so annoying but I am sure they feel the same about us Metal Heads...It's hard for me to say I even like Thy Will Be Done considering they are Christian Metalcore *vomit* but I have to admit lyrics aside their really solid......Search on youtube for Thy Will Be Done- And Fire Will Fall which in my opinion is their best song.....But you will see what I mean by Christian Metalcore especially with the lyrics LOL Them on tour with Cannibal Corpse should lead to some hilarious stories.......

I know I heard a few christian bands that I was surprised....were christian. I love it b/c you have some pea brains, when they hear our music, think you are a "devil worshipper" I tell them one, how can I worship the devil when I do not even BELIEVE there is a devil (that is a whole other subject ) and two- some of the music is done by christian bands! Dummies.

I heard an interview yesterday with Jamie Josta about the tour. He is psyched to go out with Cannibal Corpse b/c he is such a fan. I have to go and download the new HB CD on iTunes.

Now you mention the Hardcore kids........ what makes them so different?

I only ask b/c I can't stand the older "regular" metal fans (not the hardcore adults)- they are just a bunch of idiots. Seems the older they are, the more stupid they act. I, personally, love to go to the shows that draw in a younger crowd. I believe they are more polite and act more like human beings! I do not enjoy going to the larger venues to see metal bands b/c of the older crowds. It is like night and day.

I'll probably be OT for just a bit as well ... I'm a huge beer geek.

My local beer store mentioned that PBC's 'Joe' in bottles should be out in the next few weeks, so I haven't seen any bottles over in PA yet either. If you haven't tried it yet, Flying Fish (based in Cherry Hill), has an Expresso Imperial Porter that is worth checking out if you like the coffee overtones.

I don't know if you know the history of the Yards / PBC breakup. It's created quite a little turf battle for the top 'based in Philly' brewer. I'm a Yards man myself, but I do like PBC's Kenzinger.

OT is fun! We know good music when we hear it AND good beer when we taste it- we all just have GOOD taste- none of us are generic, that is for sure!

I knew nothing about the breakup. I am not that far into it yet. DH has always liked to try different beers. Just a few short weeks ago- I hated Guinness beer b/c I thought it was too bitter and dark! Now look at me! I am enjoying myself discovering all the new beers! I must say- I do prefer the dark. (BTW- my nephew just had a son- his son's middle name is.........Guinness! He wanted it to be his first name, however, his wife said NO WAY! )

I will give the Flying Fish a try. Not sure if you have tried the Left Hand Milk Stout- that is really good. And we just bought some Founders Breakfast Stout, that was also good. But nothing has even came close to the "Joe"! DH said it is not a beer you can drink one after the other (I can!) he said he thinks of it more as a "dessert" beer. Maybe that is why I think it is so good!

Have you ever been to the Triumph Brewery in New Hope? We are always in New Hope and we have not been yet. That is b/c we cannot drag ourselves away from our favorite place, Havana right in town!

 

[Brocktoon]

OT is fun! We know good music when we hear it AND good beer when we taste it- we all just have GOOD taste- none of us are generic, that is for sure!

I knew nothing about the breakup. I am not that far into it yet. DH has always liked to try different beers. Just a few short weeks ago- I hated Guinness beer b/c I thought it was too bitter and dark! Now look at me! I am enjoying myself discovering all the new beers! I must say- I do prefer the dark. (BTW- my nephew just had a son- his son's middle name is.........Guinness! He wanted it to be his first name, however, his wife said NO WAY! )

I will give the Flying Fish a try. Not sure if you have tried the Left Hand Milk Stout- that is really good. And we just bought some Founders Breakfast Stout, that was also good. But nothing has even came close to the "Joe"! DH said it is not a beer you can drink one after the other (I can!) he said he thinks of it more as a "dessert" beer. Maybe that is why I think it is so good!

Have you ever been to the Triumph Brewery in New Hope? We are always in New Hope and we have not been yet. That is b/c we cannot drag ourselves away from our favorite place, Havana right in town!

Sounds like you may be more partial to the darker beer like stouts and porter. I'm really not a huge stout and porter fan, but some of my faves are in that category. Brooklyn Brewrry has a killer Chocolate Stout, and Weyerbacher (based in Easton, PA) has an amazing Rasberry Imperial Stout. Both are seasonal and available during the winter months.

I'm more of an ale/lager person. There are a ton great brewers local. Some of my local favorties are Troegs (Harrisburg), Victory (Downingtown), Weyerbacher (Easton), Boaks (North Jersey), Stout's (Adamstown PA), Dogfish Head (Rehoboth DE) ...

I've never visited Triumph, but I did a dinner train out of New Hope that was catered by Triumph. It wasn't horrible, but the beer was nothing special.

My local watering hole is usually the Manny Brown's in Neshaminy. I like to stay in the 'burbs. They usually keep ~15 taps of rotating microbrews as well as a huge bottle selection. One of the guys that works there is involved with the Philly Beer Scene magazine, and last year they actually had the head brewer from Rogue visit during Philly beer week. The food is OK, but it's priced well, and they have a sandwich called the Fatboy, which is a cheesteak topped with pork roll

 

[Tat2ddisneymom]

Now you mention the Hardcore kids........ what makes them so different?

I'm gonna give you my personal opinion on them. They'll get in their little circle pits, which is completely fine. But then you look at them and they're flailing their arms around in sort of a windmill kind of way. Only they're REALLY doing it hard. Then they'll do cartwheels, kick their legs up in the air. They are really out for blood. Which would be fine if they just left it in their little circle pits. But they don't always. And if I ever get hit by one of those little ****s, I'm going to *****slap the mother****er so hard he can't remember where he is.

I wish people would just stick to circle pits and moshing. Even crowd surfing has a tendency to piss me off.

 

[maddhatir]

Sounds like you may be more partial to the darker beer like stouts and porter. I'm really not a huge stout and porter fan, but some of my faves are in that category. Brooklyn Brewrry has a killer Chocolate Stout, and Weyerbacher (based in Easton, PA) has an amazing Rasberry Imperial Stout. Both are seasonal and available during the winter months.

Yup- I go for the darker beers. I just had the Weyerbacher Imperial Pumpkin Ale last Sunday. It was OK.

I've never visited Triumph, but I did a dinner train out of New Hope that was catered by Triumph. It wasn't horrible, but the beer was nothing special.

We should stick to Havana then! We are never disappointed with the food there. Maybe just stop into Triumph for a beer just to say we did.

The food is OK, but it's priced well, and they have a sandwich called the Fatboy, which is a cheesteak topped with pork roll

Oh geez, sounds like something DH would certainly try!

I'm gonna give you my personal opinion on them. They'll get in their little circle pits, which is completely fine. But then you look at them and they're flailing their arms around in sort of a windmill kind of way. Only they're REALLY doing it hard. Then they'll do cartwheels, kick their legs up in the air. They are really out for blood. Which would be fine if they just left it in their little circle pits. But they don't always. And if I ever get hit by one of those little ****s, I'm going to *****slap the mother****er so hard he can't remember where he is.

I wish people would just stick to circle pits and moshing. Even crowd surfing has a tendency to piss me off.

Hey Nik! How ya feelin"??????

I see your point. I never-ever go on the floor. I like to sit above the crowd and watch the action down below. If I were on the floor and someone hit me, or even banged into me, my first reaction is anger and forget it- I would hafta kill someone!

I usually watch them doing their thing and they always seem to be OK with each other. Maybe I never pay attention to the innocent bystanders

 

[metalis4ever]

I know I heard a few christian bands that I was surprised....were christian. I love it b/c you have some pea brains, when they hear our music, think you are a "devil worshipper" I tell them one, how can I worship the devil when I do not even BELIEVE there is a devil (that is a whole other subject ) and two- some of the music is done by christian bands! Dummies.

I heard an interview yesterday with Jamie Josta about the tour. He is psyched to go out with Cannibal Corpse b/c he is such a fan. I have to go and download the new HB CD on iTunes.

Now you mention the Hardcore kids........ what makes them so different?

I only ask b/c I can't stand the older "regular" metal fans (not the hardcore adults)- they are just a bunch of idiots. Seems the older they are, the more stupid they act. I, personally, love to go to the shows that draw in a younger crowd. I believe they are more polite and act more like human beings! I do not enjoy going to the larger venues to see metal bands b/c of the older crowds. It is like night and day.

Tell me about it...it's like those ignoramuses who say Metal is all rawr rawr rawr....Most people don't know Heavy Metal and I am fine with that. I only correct people who say band is Metal when they are not i.e. Korn, Slipknot, Mudvayne, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, Rage against the Machine, Tool etc..... That's the only time I jump in and defend the honor of Metal whenever someone says Metal is the "music of the Devil" I always look at them and say " and your point being? I don't even waste my breath anymore I used to destroy those peoples lives with an educated assault on the subject of Religion but again it's not worth my time.

I am not afraid to shout to the world that I am an Atheist, I knew that I was from the 2nd grade forward when I started questioning the things my parents were telling me and the things I was hearing in church. Which really annoyed my parents In any case the funny thing is most of the bands I listen to are some form of Christian Metal or they are bands that incorporate Christian sentiments i.e. Iron Maiden. So when I hear lyrics like that I just either self interpret them or ignore them. I mean really whats the difference there are plenty of bands who sing about Ancient Religion so what's the difference between Thor and Jesus? Except that Thor is so much more Bad @zz, well that and Thor is not nearly as maleficent as the J man But that's beside the point you know what I mean

Did you happen to check out Thy Will Be Done? I too will have to check out the new Hatebreed I am just not that in to them anymore, not that I was ever a huge, huge fan but in recent years I haven't really paid attention to them. I'll have to check out their latest stuff.

OK here is the thing with Hardcore kids I have been around them most of my life as I have a ton of Hardcore friends and in the 90's I used to go to hardcore shows every weekend up in Boston. Boston had and still has a huge Hardcore scene. I am talking bands that are mostly now Metalcore but at that point were closer to Hardcore and then other bands that are still Hardcore bands and some Punk mixed in like Diecast, Unearth, Bane, Sick of it All, Snapcase, Sworn Enemy, Blood for Blood, Converge, Vision of Disorder, ZAO, A Fire Inside (AFI), Hot Water Music, H20, Madball, God Forbid...To name a few now remember this is mid to late 90's so before any of them that are big now were big. So nothing has changed from then until now when I go to the occasional Hardcore show it's the same old story. There's always 3 or 4 Hardcore kids who just go around punching people and starting fights which is a slight improvement over the 90's when it used to be a group of idiots who banded together to form this group called FSU it's two swears then F S UP and they would go around punching people in the face who weren't in the pit, then in the pit they would single out the weaker guys and knee them, elbow them, and punch them, I even saw an attempted curb stomping once. I say attempted because a buddy and I stepped in and stopped it. So flash forward to 2009 and they are still around but not as much as they used to be but overall True Hardcore and True Metal for the most part are like oil and water. I like both I have always liked both but I am a Brother of True Metal first and foremost but I enjoy listening and for the most part going to hardcore shows. In any case besides the unwarranted I hate how hardcore kids pit, I hate picking up nickles, mowing the lawn, those stupid kicks.....But like I said before I am sure Hardcore kids think the same about us metal Heads actually I know they do just like most metal Heads can't stand Hardcore music most hardcore kids can't stand Metal with the exception of iron maiden and Slayer, which to me is funny because those two bands define Heavy Metal

As far as Metal shows go I prefer the fans of my generation and a little older so I am 28 so I would say 25-35 because they know how to Mosh..the younger kids have no clue and it's almost comical. Put it this way I broke my back a few years ago so I am not supposed to go into the pit well I saw Amon Amarth a couple of years ago and for some reason it was all young kids like teenagers I was easily the oldest person on the floor well it was the saddest pit I had ever seen. So I jumped in their and started showing them how to do it I started like 7 pushes and 6 circles and just educated them on the art of moshing it was so awesome because Johan noticed the difference and pointed me out and rambled something inaudible and took a swig from his horn and everyone around me was patting me on the back and stuff. So for that very reason I can;t stand younger fans it's as if they don't know what True Metal is and what it means to be in that Pit. If someone falls you pick them up, you don't throw elbows or punches to intentionally hit the mark. Having said that there are some "older" fans who don't know this either so like I said 25 or maybe even 22-35, kids these days are too soft. Think about it this way when we wanted to check out a band we had never heard of we had to flip through our metal mags blindly pick one out and send away for the tape which eventually became CDs. We had to educate ourselves we had to go to shows to hear bands and to pick up their tape or cd because it wasn't in the store and there was no Amazon or Itunes. I can remember sitting there in the 6th grade at lunch with my buddies flipping through our Kerrang (when it was still metal) and our Metal Hammer mags blindly picking out new bands to check out we would pool our money together and send away for them. Those were the days when Metal was Metal the bands had to fight hard to be heard and the fans had to fight hard to hear them. I am not saying that the internet hasn't been great for Metal and it's fans overall it has but what I am saying no one can doubt that it has made it way too easy for the new breed of Metal fans to the point where they are soft and don't know what to do at shows and don't know that Metal is lifestyle. As Manowar says "It's More Than Our Religion It's The Only Way To Live. But The Enemies Of Metal We Can't Forgive."

WOW sorry for the novella can you tell I am still home bored to death from my surgery recovery?

 

[andy.b]

As far as Metal shows go I prefer the fans of my generation and a little older so I am 28 so I would say 25-35 because they know how to Mosh..the younger kids have no clue and it's almost comical. Put it this way I broke my back a few years ago so I am not supposed to go into the pit well I saw Amon Amarth a couple of years ago and for some reason it was all young kids like teenagers I was easily the oldest person on the floor well it was the saddest pit I had ever seen. So I jumped in their and started showing them how to do it I started like 7 pushes and 6 circles and just educated them on the art of moshing it was so awesome because Johan noticed the difference and pointed me out and rambled something inaudible and took a swig from his horn and everyone around me was patting me on the back and stuff. So for that very reason I can;t stand younger fans it's as if they don't know what True Metal is and what it means to be in that Pit. If someone falls you pick them up, you don't throw elbows or punches to intentionally hit the mark. Having said that there are some "older" fans who don't know this either so like I said 25 or maybe even 22-35, kids these days are too soft.

So, you being someone in the pit, I would like to know why you wanted to go in the pit. I always think that it would be more enjoyable observing the bands and watching the most talented musicians in the world play. That's one thing, when people ask me why I like metal, I'll say that they have the best musicians, at their respective instruments, in the world.

 

[metalis4ever]

So, you being someone in the pit, I would like to know why you wanted to go in the pit. I always think that it would be more enjoyable observing the bands and watching the most talented musicians in the world play. That's one thing, when people ask me why I like metal, I'll say that they have the best musicians, at their respective instruments, in the world.

I usually stay out of the Pit but in this particular case it was my 4th time seeing Amon Amarth live and well quite frankly in this case the fans lack of pit knowledge was ruining the show. There is nothing worse than an awful pit when an intense band is on the stage it makes them feel as if they aren't entertaining us. So I did what was necessary and Johan appreciated my efforts.

I see your point and prior to breaking my back I would only go in the pit if it was a band I had seen several times prior. Having said that a good mosh pit is a key ingredient for a great show when it comes to certain sub-genres of Metal, because the crowds intensity only helps to bring up the already intense musicians. But you are right other than the style there is a reason why no one moshes during Iron Maiden everyone is mesmerized by greatness

However, to each his own a lot of people use the pit to get out a lot of frustration and as long as they are moshing the Metal way I don't have a problem with it.

 

[metalis4ever]

I know this is old news by now but have you guys seen the soundtrack for the Brutal Legend video game? It is easily the most Metal list of songs I have ever seen for something so mainstream!! Having said that there are some non-metal songs that made it on the list but those are few and far between especially considering all of the rare stuff that made it on here, this was definitely put together by some True Metalheads and hopefully this game will educate some of the younger people what Metal really is which is exciting!!!! I played the demo this weekend and it looks like the most Metal video game ever!!! The beginning even makes fun of Poser Nu Metal it is so hilariously awesome!!!!!! If you have XBox 360 you definitely have to check it out but here is the soundtrack listing....Ohh one more thing the only downside to this game is that because Ozzy in other words Sharon got involved DIO and his songs were kicked out of the game which in turn resulted in Iron Maiden pulling their song from the soundtrack as well.

"A Serpentine Crave" - Bishop of Hexen
"Ad Noctis" - Rotting Christ
"Am I Evil?" - Diamond Head
"Angel Witch" - Angel Witch
"Angels Don't Kill" - Children of Bodom
"Assault Attack" - Michael Schenker Group
"Back at the Funny Farm" - Motörhead
"Battle Angels" - Sanctuary
"Battle Hymn" - Judas Priest
"Believer" - Ozzy Osbourne
"Betrayal" - Lita Ford
"Birth of the Hero" - Tvangeste
"Blackout" - Scorpions
"Blitzkrieg" - Deathstars
"Bomber" - Girlschool
"Breadfan" - Budgie
"Cathode Ray Sunshine" - Dark Tranquillity
"Children of the Grave" - Black Sabbath
"Crack the Skye" - Mastodon
"Cremation" - King Diamond
"Cry of the Banshee" - Brocas Helm
"Dawn of Battle" - Manowar
"Deadly Sinners" - 3 Inches of Blood
"Destroy the Orcs" - 3 Inches of Blood
"Diary of a Madman" - Ozzy Osbourne
"Die For Metal" - Manowar
"Dr. Feelgood" - Mötley Crüe
"Drink the Blood of the Priest" - Brocas Helm
"Fast as a Shark" - Accept
"For the Glory Of" - Testament
"Free Your Hate" - KMFDM
"Frost" - Enslaved
"Girlfriend"- Kabbage Boy
"God of Thunder"- Kiss
"Goliaths Disarm Their Davids" - In Flames
"Hall of the Mountain King" - Savatage
"Her Ghost in the Fog" - Cradle of Filth
"High Speed Dirt" -Megadeth
"Holiday" - Scorpions
"Ignisis Dance" - Wrath of Killenstein
"In the Black" - Motörhead
"Insomnia" - Dark Fortress
"Kickstart My Heart" - Mötley Crüe
"Lay It Down" - Ratt
"Leather Rebel" - Judas Priest
"Live Wire" - Mötley Crüe
"Loke" - Enslaved
"Love Dump" - Static-X
"Machine Gunn Eddie" - Nitro
"March of the Crabs" - Anvil
"Marching Off to War" - Motörhead
"Master Exploder" - Tenacious D
"Murmaider" - Dethklok
"Metal Church" - Metal Church
"Metal Storm/Face the Slayer" - Slayer
"Metal Thrashing Mad" - Anthrax
"More Than Meets the Eye" - Testament
"Mr. Crowley" - Ozzy Osbourne
"Mr. Scary" - Dokken
"Narita" - Riot
"Never Say Die" - Black Sabbath
"Nightstalker" - Cloven Hoof
"No Love Lost" - Carcass
"Oblivion Instrumental" - Mastodon
"One Shot at Glory" - Judas Priest
"Overnight Sensation" - FireHouse
"Painkiller" - Judas Priest
"Progenies of the Great Apocalypse" - Dimmu Borgir
"Pure Evil" - Iced Earth
"Queen of Desire" - Ostrogoth
"Queen of the Masquerade" - Crimson Glory
"Riding the Storm" - Running Wild
"Rip the System" - KMFDM
"Road Racin" - Riot
"Rock Bottom" - UFO
"Rock of Ages" - Def Leppard
"Skeleton on your Shoulder" - Coroner
"Snap Your Fingers, Snap Your Neck" - Prong
"So Frail" - Mirrorthrone
"Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery" - Skeletonwitch
"Stigmata" - Ministry
"Still of the Night" - Whitesnake
"Sulphur Injection" - Apostasy
"Superbeast" - Rob Zombie
"Swords and Tequila" - Riot
"Symptom of the Universe" - Black Sabbath
"Tag Team" - Anvil
"Technical Difficulties" - Racer X
"The Axeman" - Omen
"The Beautiful People" - Marilyn Manson
"The Hellion/Electric Eye" - Judas Priest
"The Metal" - Tenacious D
"The Somber Grounds of Truth" - Bishop of Hexen
"The Wild and the Young" - Quiet Riot
"Thieves" - Ministry
"Through the Fire and Flames" - DragonForce
"Thus Spake the Nightspirit" - Emperor
"Tornado of Souls" - Megadeth
"Warriors Dawn" - Slough Feg
"(We Are) the Road Crew" - Motörhead
"Welcome Home" - King Diamond
"Wheels of Steel" - Saxon
"When the Night Falls" - Iced Earth
"Witches" - Candlemass
"World of Hurt" - Overkill
"Y.R.O." - Racer X
"Youth Gone Wild" - Skid Row
"Zoom Club" - Budgie

 

[Brocktoon]

Yup, I posted about the Brutal Legend soundtrack a while back when the info was released. Hard to believe it's finally coming out next week. The same freakin' day as Uncharted 2 for the PS3 as well.

I'm heading to WDW next weekend, so I'll probably pick up a copy of BL and Uncharted after I return from vacation.

 

[metalis4ever]

Yup, I posted about the Brutal Legend soundtrack a while back when the info was released. Hard to believe it's finally coming out next week. The same freakin' day as Uncharted 2 for the PS3 as well.

I'm heading to WDW next weekend, so I'll probably pick up a copy of BL and Uncharted after I return from vacation.

OHHH yeah sorry about that I forgot that you had posted about it before..blame it on Monday

Uncharted 2 looks amazing!!!!

Have fun at WDW... Where are you staying? If on site are you taking advantage of free dining?

 

[Brocktoon]

I'm staying at Fort Wilderness. My parents have an RV, and they always head down for the Food&Wine fest. I'm flying down and taking the Magical Express to meet them. We've also got other relatives that will be camping there that week. This will be my 3rd F&W fest in Oct... It's always a great time.

They don't offer free dining for the campground (except for the cabins), but we've got the dining plan as we've done that in previous years and it worked out well. I'm also bringing a case of Brooklyn Oktoberfest and Rogue Amber ale and a ton of metal CDs. When not at the parks, I like to kick back at the campsite with some beer, read, and listen to some music outside. It should be a fun week of non-stop eating and drinking with family.

 

[maddhatir]

Hi my metal friends!

I need to converse with some "normal" people for a while

Why do people feel the need to constantly BASH us and the music that we listen to? Why is our music always the crap that gives people headaches, blah blah??? Why do WE get called weird for liking our great music? Why is our music called "screaming"?

Do you think the people that say this stuff about us and our music are actually passionate about the crap they listen to? Do you think they actually take the time to discover new music to listen to? Do you think they get SO psyched when a band is coming to town like we do?

Do you think THEY know the #@$ they listen to is mindless BS and all it takes to hear the crap is to flip on a ancient FM station!? Probably most of the people who have comments about us still listen to terrestrial Radio anyway

Can you tell I have to vent?

BTW- Arch Enemy tix are on sale Sat! I have been waiting to "experience" Angela and her voice for a long time! (that is another thing people do not get)

Brock! Have a great time in Disney! Only 3 more days!

How is everyone doing?

 

[Tat2ddisneymom]

Hi my metal friends!

I need to converse with some "normal" people for a while

Why do people feel the need to constantly BASH us and the music that we listen to? Why is our music always the crap that gives people headaches, blah blah??? Why do WE get called weird for liking our great music? Why is our music called "screaming"?

Do you think the people that say this stuff about us and our music are actually passionate about the crap they listen to? Do you think they actually take the time to discover new music to listen to? Do you think they get SO psyched when a band is coming to town like we do?

Do you think THEY know the #@$ they listen to is mindless BS and all it takes to hear the crap is to flip on a ancient FM station!? Probably most of the people who have comments about us still listen to terrestrial Radio anyway

Can you tell I have to vent?

BTW- Arch Enemy tix are on sale Sat! I have been waiting to "experience" Angela and her voice for a long time! (that is another thing people do not get)

Brock! Have a great time in Disney! Only 3 more days!

How is everyone doing?

Ut oh, what happened now?

I totally agree with everything you said. Sometimes I feel like an outcast, even in my own home, because I don't think people get it. I don't know why I love music so much...I just do. Everyone needs a hobby and that just happens to be mine.

Saw Arch Enemy a few years back. You are going to have a great time.

As for me, I am STILL in the hospital. Don't remember if I told you this or not, but I had another brain surgery and another back surgery at the beginning of the month. I am really sick of being stuck in the hospital. Right now I have a tube sticking out of my back draining fluid off my spinal cord. Blah. But at least the drugs keep coming.

 

[maddhatir]

Ut oh, what happened now?

I totally agree with everything you said. Sometimes I feel like an outcast, even in my own home, because I don't think people get it. I don't know why I love music so much...I just do. Everyone needs a hobby and that just happens to be mine.

Saw Arch Enemy a few years back. You are going to have a great time.

As for me, I am STILL in the hospital. Don't remember if I told you this or not, but I had another brain surgery and another back surgery at the beginning of the month. I am really sick of being stuck in the hospital. Right now I have a tube sticking out of my back draining fluid off my spinal cord. Blah. But at least the drugs keep coming.

WTH!!!!!!!???? Yes- you did say you were having surgery etc- but Nik-OMG STILL in the hospital!? Did you expect to be there this long? Is this normal? OK- nothing is normal about what you are going through or what happened

Do you have any idea when you can go home? I am so sorry you have to go through all of this.

I am sending positive thoughts your way! I hope you have your iPod with you to keep you half way sane

My SIL, the one who had the botched hyster surgery about 2 months ago (I think I may have told you....) still can't pee on her own! She has to cath herself and who knows, she may have to do that for the rest of her life b/c a doc screwed up and sliced up her bladder and the tubes that lead from her kidneys to her bladder! Actually she is going into surgery today to have the stents they put in the "tubes" removed. Hopefully things will function better after this.

eh- I don't know what set me off- I guess just one too many comments. Like you said- I feel like an outcast (not that that bothers me- it pisses me off more than anything) My DH tolerates the music- and he does go to all of my concerts and enjoys himself- but he does not have a LUV for it. I am pretty much a loner, I get excited about things all on my own. Heck- when other people listen to THEIR music- I keep my mouth shut. (OK secretly I am saying WT%$$?, but I keep it to myself b/c I know I hate when people do that to me) Why can't people do the same with us?

ACK! Whatever- honestly I feel "special" (in a good way ) that I am who I am, and not just part of the herd.

Take care Nik! If you can, keep me up to date.

 

[maddhatir]

Nik- just one more question..... I did not notice this before, but does your ticker say 8 years until your next trip??

 

[metalis4ever]

Hi my metal friends!

I need to converse with some "normal" people for a while

Why do people feel the need to constantly BASH us and the music that we listen to? Why is our music always the crap that gives people headaches, blah blah??? Why do WE get called weird for liking our great music? Why is our music called "screaming"?

Do you think the people that say this stuff about us and our music are actually passionate about the crap they listen to? Do you think they actually take the time to discover new music to listen to? Do you think they get SO psyched when a band is coming to town like we do?

Do you think THEY know the #@$ they listen to is mindless BS and all it takes to hear the crap is to flip on a ancient FM station!? Probably most of the people who have comments about us still listen to terrestrial Radio anyway

Can you tell I have to vent?

BTW- Arch Enemy tix are on sale Sat! I have been waiting to "experience" Angela and her voice for a long time! (that is another thing people do not get)

Brock! Have a great time in Disney! Only 3 more days!

How is everyone doing?

To answer your first part people always bash what they don't understand, to steal a quote from Arch Enemy "Ignorance is not bliss" . Speaking for someone who has lived and breathed Metal since the age of 8 I can tell you that I have gotten my fair share of ignorant comments thrown my way. The problem is that people think that all Metal is "rawr rawr rawr" and given about 50% of it is between most Thrash, Death, Grindcore, and Black to name the major genres are rawr rawr rawr but we as Metal Heads don't hear that we hear the music and I don't know about anyone else but after listening to a band once I can understand most death growls anyway. Most Brothers and Sisters of True Metal are very passionate because it is our way of life. Take me for example I defend the honor of Metal especially when I hear someone classify a band as Metal that isn't I get all bent out of shape and correct them. Which is the second problem many people don't know what Metal is even some people who claim that they listen to Metal don't know what Metal really is.

Some people are passionate about bands or certain musicians or performers but as far as passionate about an entire genre..No. Like I said before Metal is a way of life it is a micro-culture if you will with it's own norms and values it's more like a Religion than anything else. People are unable to wrap their minds around that concept because they do not connect to their music on the level that we do. The one exception to that rule may be Country especially in certain parts of the United States but even that passion pales in comparison to Metal heads I doubt any Country head has ever carved Toby Keith's name into their forearm LOL

Hey Vent all you want I deal with these issues on a daily basis. I don't even bother listening to terrestrial or Sattelite radio as both are horrendous and even the supposed "Metal" station on XM/Sirius plays bands that aren't Metal. I just set up my pandora and hit quick mix right now I am listening to a quick mix of Iced Earth, Pantera, Amon Amarth, Deicide, 1349, Mercyful Fate, Sodom and Type-O (to lighten things up through out the day)....

Arch Enemy are awesome live I have seen them 8 times live!!!! 2 of which were with the original vocalist Johan. Even though I prefer Johan I absolutely love Angela as well, the first time i saw them with Angela was right before "Wages of Sin" came out so they played a bunch of songs from "Stigmata" and "Burning Bridges" I don't know if they will break any of the old stuff out now that they have so many albums with Angela on vocals but cross your fingers and hope that they break out "Dead Inside" as her vocals sound absolutely amazing on that Arch Enemy classic!!!!


The bottom line is people will never understand what Metal means to us because they are unable to fathom how we can connect with the music we listen to on the level that we do. Speaking personally Metal is my Religion it is my safety net but it is also my joy and my happiness. But explaining it to people in that way doesn't work either, we will never convince those who are ignorant so it's not worth wasting our time. Having said that I have converted many people to True Metal my DW is my proudest accomplishment she was listening to garbage like Backstreet Boys, John Mayer and Janet Jackson when we met now she is listening to Metal and blasting it Loud and Proud!!!!!

 

[metalis4ever]

Ut oh, what happened now?

I totally agree with everything you said. Sometimes I feel like an outcast, even in my own home, because I don't think people get it. I don't know why I love music so much...I just do. Everyone needs a hobby and that just happens to be mine.

Saw Arch Enemy a few years back. You are going to have a great time.

As for me, I am STILL in the hospital. Don't remember if I told you this or not, but I had another brain surgery and another back surgery at the beginning of the month. I am really sick of being stuck in the hospital. Right now I have a tube sticking out of my back draining fluid off my spinal cord. Blah. But at least the drugs keep coming.

No offense but you sound like a Mortician album cover come to life

Seriously I hope that you recover sooner than later so you can get back to what is important head banging to Metal!!!

 

[maddhatir]

To answer your first part people always bash what they don't understand, to steal a quote from Arch Enemy "Ignorance is not bliss" . Speaking for someone who has lived and breathed Metal since the age of 8 I can tell you that I have gotten my fair share of ignorant comments thrown my way.

I started liking KISS rotfl2 when I was 11. That is when I went to my first concert. (showing my age, but I think that was in '77) The kids in my school always made comments. Thank goodness I had my 2 cousins right next door to me and we all enjoyed our music together-

I said before Metal is a way of life it is a micro-culture if you will with it's own norms and values it's more like a Religion than anything else. People are unable to wrap their minds around that concept because they do not connect to their music on the level that we do.

I like that word- connect- that is a great explanation. I will use that now And b/c of my age- people are shocked to find out this is the music I luv. My friends still make comments- "are you STILL listening to that?" Or, "Are you going to be listening to that when you are in your 60s and 70s!?" Heck yeah! I hope so! I want to ask them what I am SUPPOSED to like now or when I am much older? The mindless junk you listen to?

Hey Vent all you want I deal with these issues on a daily basis. I don't even bother listening to terrestrial or Sattelite radio as both are horrendous and even the supposed "Metal" station on XM/Sirius plays bands that aren't Metal. I just set up my pandora and hit quick mix right now I am listening to a quick mix of Iced Earth, Pantera, Amon Amarth, Deicide, 1349, Mercyful Fate, Sodom and Type-O (to lighten things up through out the day)....

Honestly- I will have to say I would not be into the music I am into today if it were not for Sattelite radio. I was into old skool metal, Slayer, Testament, Exodus etc. but- when I got Sirius years ago, I found that Octane (or whatever they call it now) was way too tame and lame for me- I needed to step it up a notch. I flipped on Hard Attack (which is now Liquid Metal) and I was turned on to so many other bands that I never listened to and began to appreciate the good stuff- Like- Amon Amarth, Behemoth, Dimmu, Lamb of God- I feel like I found my music "nitch". ITA with you that they do play some crap in between, but I now find myself listening to my CDs of these bands and I do not need the radio that much anymore- but sometimes I flip it on just to listen and I am glad I do, b/c I like to find new bands, even if I have to hear some crap in between- it is a sacrifice that I am willing to take But I think Sattelite pointed me in the direction I really wanted to go.

Speaking personally Metal is my Religion it is my safety net but it is also my joy and my happiness.

No offense but you sound like a Mortician album cover come to life

LMAO! Only people like us can really take that as a compliment

Thanks for the pep talk friends!

 

[Brocktoon]

Just got done watching 'Anvil: The Story of Anvil' on DVD. Such a great documentary! I think it really hits home on what the metal culture is all about.

I'd write more, but I've been getting ready for my trip all day and I'm beat to heck. By tomorrow afternoon, I'll be drinking some beers and cranking some metal at Ft Wilderness! For now, I need to get some sleep.

Tat2ddisneymom ... I hope you are doing better and wish you a speedy recovery!