Official 2017 D23 Expo Thread

[TheMaxRebo]

They will definitely be ventilated, I think the person I responded to was worried about people falling out of windows.

oh yeah, definitely ... was more regarding the comments about that they *must* be Air Conditioned ... and I think they may be, or it might just be the venting like shown in the picture

 

[Spaceguy55]

With the sun here in Florida those gondola's will heat up like little toaster oven's during the day

Another issue would be ..they would need power to them for lighting at night...I'm not sure anyone would want to be in these in the dark....unless they are going to call them a "Dark Ride"..very scary!

 

[rteetz]

 

[Roxyfire]

What is crazy about it? I think the part that's confusing people is they don't understand that this is not just another resort. It's a special immersive experience. People don't know what to expect because they have no frame of reference. I'm sure it will become clearer to those who are confused over time, but there are a lot of people who just don't understand that this will be a limited, special, enclosed experience.

Bingo, people hear "Star Wars hotel" and think of the AoA suites and not all out immersive roleplay experience.

 

[GoofyK]

Why have gondolas that travel slower and fit fewer people compared to a monorail...

 

[loutoo]

The magic kingdom attendance has increased by 25% on the aggregate in the last 10-15 years. Longer hours is a logical adjustment. Shorter hours and a resell at night is a scheme. That's what that is. Pay for it or don't...up to you...but don't deny the truth.

In 2010 WDW offered 305 theme park hours this week (319 if you count hours where future world was closed but world show case was open, because future world used to close at 7pm). This year (2017) they offered 353.5 theme park hours this week. That is a 16% increase in hours included in the "base rate." I'm not the one denying the truth. The truth is that Disney is offering more hours than they did 7 years ago at a rate pretty close to the increase in attendance. This is ignoring the EMH and paid events, we are just talking about what an average guest with a single day or MYW ticket can do.

I get frustrated on a day like yesterday, when the news is good, when the mouse is up-ing his game to a higher level, and you lead a charge full of negativity and tell others they are being bamboozled because they are upbeat and optimistic, or simply because they disagree with you (or have an argument based in facts you didn't bother to look up.)

I come hear to read the news which Ryan and many of his comrades work so hard to provide. Most of the time I just skim over the negativity and pessimism to focus on the facts and concrete updates, but when that news is bright, and I come across you telling others they are being bamboozled it gets under my skin. When I then go and check the underlying data behind your claims (WDW hours are decreasing at an alarming rate as Disney takes advantage of its customers by charging for extra events during hours that used to be included) and it turns out it isn't even true I tend to go on a rant, not because I am some drank all the Kool-Aid Disney apologist, but because you can be a real downer sometimes. That is fine 99% of the days, but there are three or four days a year where I just want to hear the good news and be left to enjoy it. Yesterday was one of those days. Tomorrow will not be one of those days, so fell free to return to your regularly scheduled discharging of pessimism and gloom, regardless of the facts.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

they will definitely be all enclosed but I hear more things pointing to no AC than having AC

They can be enclosed but still have vents in the top (I've been in some like that and it keeps them fairly cool). Not saying it won't have AC but I don't think it is a guarantee

I have to say that if there is no A/C I wouldn't touch these with a 10ft pole. Suspect I'm not alone, but I guess we'll see!

 

[monica9]

Why have gondolas that travel slower and fit fewer people compared to a monorail...

Cheaper

 

[monica9]

So what do people think this immersive experience is going to be? Think it will start from the morning they wake up until the end of the second day? Will they make People all check in at the same time? Will there be downtime? What happens if someone gets sick during their stay, will it ruin the experience for the rest of the group?
If anyone has any experience with immersion hotels, I'm curious to hear about what you think it might be like.

 

[Roxyfire]

Why have gondolas that travel slower and fit fewer people compared to a monorail...

Because you can have a higher amount of gondola cars running at once, using a fraction of the power, built at a fraction of the cost. The actual capacity is much higher and you dont' have that side effect of costing a cool 1 million per mile build out.

 

[rteetz]

So what do people think this immersive experience is going to be? Think it will start from the morning they wake up until the end of the second day? Will they make People all check in at the same time? Will there be downtime? What happens if someone gets sick during their stay, will it ruin the experience for the rest of the group?
If anyone has any experience with immersion hotels, I'm curious to hear about what you think it might be like.

Here is what I think.

A gated hotel. Outsiders aren't let in only guests who are staying at the resort.

This will be an all inclusive resort. Food will be included in your package price. I don't think we will see one night stays allowed here. The surveys stated two night stays.

They mentioned no actual windows. This resort will have fake windows (screens) that make it look like you are in space. Cast Members will be part of the story.

 

[GoofyK]

Thanks for feedback on the gondolas, I guess from a customer standpoint i would think losing longer time spent in the worst is time consuming but pretty neat views. I'd rather have faster travel between park/hotel, personal preference I guess, which is why I always drive and not rely on the buses.

 

[rteetz]

Why have gondolas that travel slower and fit fewer people compared to a monorail...

Monorails are incredibly expensive and gondolas will travel faster than boats.

 

[Roxyfire]

So what do people think this immersive experience is going to be? Think it will start from the morning they
wake up until the end of the second day? Will they make People all check in at the same time? Will there be downtime? What happens if someone gets sick during their stay, will it ruin the experience for the rest of the group?
If anyone has any experience with immersion hotels, I'm curious to hear about what you think it might be like.

Hard to say, D&D IRL? Mystery dinner theater experience on steroids perhaps? Similar to those horror campouts that are becoming more frequent?
This is an article from when the rumor started making the rounds: http://www.insidethemagic.net/2017/04/disney-considering-luxury-star-wars-resort-walt-disney-world/

As they said in the Parks panel, if you want to just hang out in the land and experience it, no big deal, but if you want there's more interaction. It's clear from this article that might be the case here.

 

[loutoo]

But what I'm saying it's that those hours should be in the base ticket...which have gone up 225% in the last 15 years...

Again, this is just not true. 15 years ago was 2002. A single day ticket was $50 today a single day ticket is on average $110 that is a 120% increase not a 225% increase. Adjusted for inflation the ticket price was $68.08 in 2002.
The price of a premium AP has only gone up 28% when adjusted for inflation. The multi day tickets (which is what most people buy and use) has gone up a lot closer to the AP rates. In reality the true cost of theme park tickets has gone up around 35% when you adjust for inflation and use the tickets that most consumers actually buy. This is nowhere near the ridiculous number of 225%

 

[rteetz]

When GMR closes, there will be no opening day attractions left at DHS...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

In 2010 WDW offered 305 theme park hours this week (319 if you count hours where future world was closed but world show case was open, because future world used to close at 7pm). This year (2017) they offered 353.5 theme park hours this week. That is a 16% increase in hours included in the "base rate." I'm not the one denying the truth. The truth is that Disney is offering more hours than they did 7 years ago at a rate pretty close to the increase in attendance. This is ignoring the EMH and paid events, we are just talking about what an average guest with a single day or MYW ticket can do.

I get frustrated on a day like yesterday, when the news is good, when the mouse is up-ing his game to a higher level, and you lead a charge full of negativity and tell others they are being bamboozled because they are upbeat and optimistic, or simply because they disagree with you (or have an argument based in facts you didn't bother to look up.)

I come hear to read the news which Ryan and many of his comrades work so hard to provide. Most of the time I just skim over the negativity and pessimism to focus on the facts and concrete updates, but when that news is bright, and I come across you telling others they are being bamboozled it gets under my skin. When I then go and check the underlying data behind your claims (WDW hours are decreasing at an alarming rate as Disney takes advantage of its customers by charging for extra events during hours that used to be included) and it turns out it isn't even true I tend to go on a rant, not because I am some drank all the Kool-Aid Disney apologist, but because you can be a real downer sometimes. That is fine 99% of the days, but there are three or four days a year where I just want to hear the good news and be left to enjoy it. Yesterday was one of those days. Tomorrow will not be one of those days, so fell free to return to your regularly scheduled discharging of pessimism and gloom, regardless of the facts.

I'm still trying to figure out how discussion of pricing policies affects the announcements at all.

The anguish is over the top.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

When GMR closes, there will be no opening day attractions left at DHS...

Stunt show?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Again, this is just not true. 15 years ago was 2002. A single day ticket was $50 today a single day ticket is on average $110 that is a 120% increase not a 225% increase. Adjusted for inflation the ticket price was $68.08 in 2002.
The price of a premium AP has only gone up 28% when adjusted for inflation. The multi day tickets (which is what most people buy and use) has gone up a lot closer to the AP rates. In reality the true cost of theme park tickets has gone up around 35% when you adjust for inflation and use the tickets that most consumers actually buy. This is nowhere near the ridiculous number of 225%

225% of $50 is $112.50

And it was I believe $52.50 with tax in 2002. What is your background to lecture again? I did not look that price up...it was burned into the memory banks.

 

[rteetz]

Stunt show?

According to Touring Plans the Stunt Show did not open until August of 1989. The park opened May 1st.