Trash will now be taken every day

[Ben E N]

I always leave DND sign up for the duration. Couldn’t tell you if they called because I always unplug the phone first thing. And I never answer the door. Anybody who owns a timeshare elsewhere can tell you that those are prudent anti-marketing measures.

This borders on 4th amendment violations. If Disney wants to violate my privacy as a hotel, then they can’t also be the local government. There’s plenty of case law regarding hotels letting local governments into hotel rooms for warrentless searches. In this case, Disney is both. That’s a fine line to straddle.

There's no way any government body would side with you on this. They are not rifling through your personal possessions. They are entering property which they own and you are leasing from them. That would be considered a reasonable search, not involving a government entity, which the 4th amendment clearly states is legal. If you were to somehow lock them out, they could then call in the local government and suddenly a forced entry into your room would be considered reasonable based on your barring the door shut. You have no choice but to either roll with this or sell your interest in DVC.

 

[ziravan]

There's no way any government body would side with you on this. They are not rifling through your personal possessions. They are entering property which they own and you are leasing from them. That would be considered a reasonable search, not involving a government entity, which the 4th amendment clearly states is legal. If you were to somehow lock them out, they could then call in the local government and suddenly a forced entry into your room would be considered reasonable based on your barring the door shut. You have no choice but to either roll with this or sell your interest in DVC.

I have a deed.

Case law to date revolves around reasonable cause to enter. Repairs. Smoke. Domestic dispute. Barking dogs. Yes.

Just to have a look around?

I don’t think case law would support that.

It wound probably turn on what contraband they act on and how they do so. And the legal status of the searcher (could they be considered de facto Reedy Creek Law enforcement - housekeeper or regular security personnel probably not. Off duty officer of another entity??).

It straddles the legal body of thought to date.

 

[Ben E N]

I have a deed.

It's not going to hurt me any for you to try to fight this. I will be interested to hear the updates as you do so. I am not putting any money on you winning this fight, though, and think it will be an interesting one to see happen.
Please do make sure to keep us informed as you take the necessary steps to fight this.

 

[kittyab]

I have a deed.

Case law to date revolves around reasonable cause to enter. Repairs. Smoke. Domestic dispute. Barking dogs. Yes.

Just to have a look around?

I don’t think case law would support that.

It wound probably turn on what contraband they act on and how they do so. And the legal status of the searcher (could they be considered de facto Reedy Creek Law enforcement - housekeeper or regular security personnel probably not. Off duty officer of another entity??).

It straddles the legal body of thought to date.

I guess it can't hurt to read through the DVC paperwork at time of purchase.

 

[ziravan]

It's not going to hurt me any for you to try to fight this. I will be interested to hear the updates as you do so. I am not putting any money on you winning this fight, though, and think it will be an interesting one to see happen.
Please do make sure to keep us informed as you take the necessary steps to fight this.

Meh. You’d have to be able to show harm. That’s why it’ll depend on what they decide to act upon.

No Court is going to side with a terrorist building a sniper nest.

It’s the couple charged with possession that’ll be the test case.

 

[ziravan]

I guess it can't hurt to read through the DVC paperwork at time of purchase.

I’m fully aware that it’s a legal fiction that we’re owners, an imposed quirk of Florida’s timeshare law. But that doesn’t mean that DVC gets to toss that construct aside when it’s not convenient for them.

Florida decided to compose its timeshare laws this way precisely to give purchasers the legal rights of owners. DVC owners most likely have much more legal ground to stand on than those staying in the hotel side. And that starts with case law giving the hotel occupants 4th amendment rights against warrentless searches.

 

[kittyab]

Well so far it is only the monorail resorts, I may switch our next trip at 7 months out. I don't want anyone going through my things when I am not in the room.

 

[Ben E N]

Well so far it is only the monorail resorts, I may switch our next trip at 7 months out. I don't want anyone going through my things when I am not in the room.

How do you know they are not already doing that? Its not like housekeepers are getting access to your room for the very first time. They have always had that. They are just letting you know that they will be coming in now. I personally think it is more comforting knowing that someone will be coming in than just guessing whether or not someone will be.

 

[Sammie]

All other resorts beginning in Jan. I am amazed at how many people think this is a big deal. Basically all hotel rooms can be accessed at any time by employees and to think differently was naive.

I would never ever leave a child in a room alone, I would never shower or sleep without the latch on and doors locked.

The major difference now is they have warned you they will be accessing the rooms. It it not a private home.

As long as Disney either through housekeeping or another cast member has access to the room sometime during a 24 hour period that is all they need. Surely that is not a major inconvenience.

 

[miTnosnhoJ]

The Las Vegas shooter was a frequent guest of the hotel, staying in a comped suite at Mandalay Bay where he often gambled. This guest--who was similarly well known and had a history with the hotel--brought 23 firearms into his room and murdered 58 people.

Many of us know that we do not pose any threat, but Disney cannot afford to make exceptions. Doing so would not only open them up to claims of favoritism and profiling, but potentially overlook those who are legitimate threats. Like it or not, we aren't living in the 1950s. The Disney theme parks and resorts are VERY visible targets and I don't think it's unrealistic to assert that their security measures--even those which seem like theater--are exactly why guests have not fallen victim to some terror attack.

"I'm not a threat..go bother someone else" isn't going to cut it.

As a society, we cannot stop living our lives due to a threat of terrorism. But specific to Walt Disney World, think for a moment about what would happen if some tragedy were allowed to occur. Not just the financial impact to The Walt Disney Company in the form of reduced tourism. Consider the impact on DVC ownership--people immediately looking to sell their points. Consider the impact on member dues as the company rushes to dramatically over compensate. God forbid something happened from a balcony at Bay Lake Tower, do you think guests would EVER be allowed to step outside again? Those balcony doors would be permanently bolted shut the next day.
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Trying to put myself in the shoes of Disney security, I would have a three-tiered system.
1) cursory room inspections for every room daily.
2) video monitoring of all balconies with a theme park or crowd view, with supervisor or security search to follow up on anything out of the ordinary
3) snipers in position to handle an active shooter who is in a room with theme park or crowd view

Given that, I am willing to cut Disney some slack on this.

 

[ziravan]

All other resorts beginning in Jan. I am amazed at how many people think this is a big deal. Basically all hotel rooms can be accessed at any time by employees and to think differently was naive.

I would never ever leave a child in a room alone, I would never shower or sleep without the latch on and doors locked.

The major difference now is they have warned you they will be accessing the rooms. It it not a private home.

As long as Disney either through housekeeping or another cast member has access to the room sometime during a 24 hour period that is all they need. Surely that is not a major inconvenience.

Depends on whether they’re waking me up from a nap or walking in on me in the shower whether it’s a major inconvenience.

The latch will theoretically keep them out of my shower, presuming they respect it. But the knock on the door blows the nap no matter what else happens.

Depends on how they handle it. We shall see.

 

[Deb & Bill]

All the other resorts start on Jan 7, which happens to be the Full Marathon day with lots of guests checking out that day.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Well so far it is only the monorail resorts, I may switch our next trip at 7 months out. I don't want anyone going through my things when I am not in the room.

The email said that it would expand to all DVC resorts in January.

We arrive January 17 at Saratoga Springs. Time will tell how it goes.

All I know is that if I am napping and housekeeping or the "security steward" seems to need to enter, I plan on letting them know in no uncertain terms that I am not happy about it. And yes, I will start with getting a manager involved.

 

[tjkraz]

Depends on whether they’re waking me up from a nap or walking in on me in the shower whether it’s a major inconvenience.

The latch will theoretically keep them out of my shower, presuming they respect it. But the knock on the door blows the nap no matter what else happens.

Depends on how they handle it. We shall see.

If guests remove the “occupied” sign for at least a couple hours per day during peak room servicing hours (say, 10am - 3pm), why WOULDN’T Disney make every effort to perform their checks during that window?

 

[ziravan]

If guests remove the “occupied” sign for at least a couple hours per day during peak room servicing hours (say, 10am - 3pm), why WOULDN’T Disney make every effort to perform their checks during that window?

We’ll test it out in a few weeks. We’re park commandos, normally hit a park at rope drop, bail out about 12-1 to eat and nap, and hit a different park in the evening ~5pm.

I normally leave DND sign up at all times. I’ll make an effort to remove the ‘You have no privacy’ sign while I’m out and see how it works.

 

[Deb & Bill]

If guests remove the “occupied” sign for at least a couple hours per day during peak room servicing hours (say, 10am - 3pm), why WOULDN’T Disney make every effort to perform their checks during that window?

That has prime nap time in that time range. Right after lunch, so I can sleep at night.

 

[finchy3]

https://loyaltylobby.com/2017/12/28...will-enter-once-a-day-to-inspect/?omhide=true
Hilton doing the same.

 

[Chuck S]

I have a feeling this is going to be nationwide, in all hotels, motels, resorts, timeshares and B&Bs soon. Since Hilton has also announced similar plans, one can only think it is a new requirement for insurance coverage following the Las Vegas tragedy. Complaining to the hotels will likely do no good, DVC is REQUIRED to have insurance, and they will do whatever the insurance requires of them for that coverage.

 

[Sammie]

Bathroom doors have locks, use them and always take a robe or cover up in the bathroom with you.

 

[tjkraz]

That has prime nap time in that time range. Right after lunch, so I can sleep at night.

Take the “occupied’ sign down when you leave. Put it back up when you return. If you feel necessary, stop by the front desk when walking out and ask if there is a way the can service the room by your anticipated return time. This really isn’t complicated. I’m sure we will all figure out what works best within a day or two.