New security measure: Do not disturb signs being Removed!

[Chuck S]

Hilton has announced a similar thing in all of its properties WORLDWIDE. It has got to be some type of insurance requirement, and hotels will do whatever they must to keep insurance coverage.

And remember, the Hilton properties include Conrad, Doubletree, Hampton Inn, Waldorf Astoria, Embassy Suites and Hilton Grand Vacation (timeshares) to name only a few of their brands.

 

[Princess_Lisa]

Wynn, in Las Vegas for example; if the Do Not Disturb sign has been outside of a hotel room door for 12 consecutive hours, it triggers an investigation into the matter at the hotel itself.

12 Hours? So, throw a DND up when you go to sleep, sleep late, and there is an investigation. Obviously, it would seem a bit suspicious if a DND was up for days on end, but even in that case I could see them coming around at the same time every day and not realizing the DND was taken down and put back up.

I have noticed at some (Non-Disney) hotels that if I put up a DND so I don't get woken at 6-8 AM, my room is frequently not serviced until later that afternoon even if I take it down while they are still servicing nearby rooms. I've had times where I left at 9 AM and they hadn't serviced the room by mid-afternoon when I got back to rest. If they are waiting until they finish every other room, it is quite possible it may appear your DND was never taken down when in fact you have been in the parks most of the day.

I am not concerned about them coming while I'm out. In fact, I would prefer that. I am concerned that they will show up before I get up, then again during my afternoon rest and bang on my door until I answer and let them in.

 

[mcjaco]

Hilton has announced a similar thing in all of its properties WORLDWIDE. It has got to be some type of insurance requirement, and hotels will do whatever they must to keep insurance coverage.

And remember, the Hilton properties include Conrad, Doubletree, Hampton Inn, Waldorf Astoria, Embassy Suites and Hilton Grand Vacation (timeshares) to name only a few of their brands.

As someone in the insurance business, especially Commercial Lines and General Liability......NOPE.

 

[LYSE]

Hilton has announced a similar thing in all of its properties WORLDWIDE. It has got to be some type of insurance requirement, and hotels will do whatever they must to keep insurance coverage.

And remember, the Hilton properties include Conrad, Doubletree, Hampton Inn, Waldorf Astoria, Embassy Suites and Hilton Grand Vacation (timeshares) to name only a few of their brands.

Yup, although not quite as intrusive as Disney or rather more low key...but still all off my list now.

 

[missbrooke06]

DME banged on our door at 12:30 AM and 1:30 AM this last trip with the DND sign on (and called when we didn't answer) so I never had much faith in the power of the door hanger anyway.

 

[Chuck S]

As someone in the insurance business, especially Commercial Lines and General Liability......NOPE.

I'm a landlord. Insurance companies seem to care a great deal about what my tenants do. Including what breeds of dog they may have. There are a lot of restrictions on commercial property liability, it is logical to assume this may be a new one in the wake of Mandalay Bay.

 

[BusMan]

A few thoughts:

1) This seems very likely a response to the Las Vegas shooting. That shooter had a lot of guns and ammo in his room that would've been easily visible to anyone else that happened to enter. I doubt Disney (or other hotel operators) will be instituting detailed room searches without a credible threat. But a set of eyes on a room once every 24 hours might be able to prevent and/or catch someone stockpiling loads of weaponry.

2) There is no absolute guarantee that your hotel door won't be knocked on during your stay, despite the presence of a DND/RO door tag. Heck, it could be kids playing ding dong ditch or a jerk that gets off on knocking on DND doors at 4:30 am. I agree that there should be some mitigation of timing through a front desk call or discussion with mousekeeping.

3) There are clearly larger political issues at play here. Discussion of freedom and whatnot. But consider things from Disney's perspective. Which would be worse: 1) A large scale mass shooting a la Las Vegas, or 2) Potentially aggravating the nappers, nudists, and those of us lucky enough to still be getting lucky?

 

[mcjaco]

I'm a landlord. Insurance companies seem to care a great deal about what my tenants do. Including what breeds of dog they may have. There are a lot of restrictions on commercial property liability, it is logical to assume this may be a new one in the wake of Mandalay Bay.

I've seen nothing come through via ISO or AAIS. Which means if it is happening, it's a manual coverage per carrier. Not a new exclusion or endorsement per the two main entities that write coverages.

 

[JARNJ3]

As a DVC member - I am thrilled to get trash removal daily. If they added the towel service - I'd be ecstatic!!!!!

 

[mab2012]

Just because some people are more than willing to give up their privacy and freedoms for a police state doesn't mean we all are.

This. If I hear "well if it makes us safer it's worth it" one more time, I think I might scream. For a start, most of these measures are not making anyone safer, and even if they were, where is the line? Is there anything people are not willing to give up for what is, at best, a minor improvement in security?

And anyway, why on earth are hotel operators now presumed responsible for protecting us from crazy people with guns? Has the world gone completely mad?

For the record, I don't really think much will change with the new signage. Once things settle down, no doubt the housekeepers will do their best to avoid coming into a room when the "occupied" sign is up, and the hotel always had the right to come into the room anyway. That said, I neither need nor want my garbage can emptied every day, and, as a DVC member, I sure as heck don't want to pay for it.

 

[mom2rtk]

This. If I hear "well if it makes us safer it's worth it" one more time, I think I might scream. For a start, most of these measures are not making anyone safer, and even if they were, where is the line? Is there anything people are not willing to give up for what is, at best, a minor improvement in security?

And anyway, why on earth are hotel operators now presumed responsible for protecting us from crazy people with guns? Has the world gone completely mad?

For the record, I don't really think much will change with the new signage. Once things settle down, no doubt the housekeepers will do their best to avoid coming into a room when the "occupied" sign is up, and the hotel always had the right to come into the room anyway. That said, I neither need nor want my garbage can emptied every day, and, as a DVC member, I sure as heck don't want to pay for it.

My guess is that the Disney lawyers think this move will make them safer from litigation. That's the "safety" it's accomplishing.

 

[Jeff Laughlin]

So are they going to check all the parked vehicles in the hotel parking lots too to make sure nobody is stock piling anything in their vans or trucks?

 

[mshanson3121]

If I am not mistaken Disneyland Paris does scan luggage at their resorts.

I actually think it's an excellent idea, that should be put in place.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

This. If I hear "well if it makes us safer it's worth it" one more time, I think I might scream. For a start, most of these measures are not making anyone safer, and even if they were, where is the line? Is there anything people are not willing to give up for what is, at best, a minor improvement in security?

And anyway, why on earth are hotel operators now presumed responsible for protecting us from crazy people with guns? Has the world gone completely mad?

For the record, I don't really think much will change with the new signage. Once things settle down, no doubt the housekeepers will do their best to avoid coming into a room when the "occupied" sign is up, and the hotel always had the right to come into the room anyway. That said, I neither need nor want my garbage can emptied every day, and, as a DVC member, I sure as heck don't want to pay for it.

I don't think it is that "we should do anything if it will make us safer" it is more "there is a balance of giving up some freedom to gain some more safety". It's like if you are crossing the street - the safest thing is to never cross the street ... but that would really limit your freedom, so you have to balance it by crossing at crosswalks, etc. and some people are willing to jaywalk and others aren't - the balance point it different for different people

Disney must feel there is some benefit here - it will us up CMs time which means it costs Disney some money so they wouldn't do it for no reason ... and you have the freedom to not stay there if you don't want to

I agree with your last paragraph that I suspect it will settle down after a bit and both the CMs and the guests get used to the policy and I also suspect Disney does not want to annoy guests if it can be helped and will be willing to work with you (I.e., call the front desk and mention your have a napping toddler in the early afternoon so please don't go then, etc) and

 

[Sweetpancake]

I wonder why they open the curtains. Wouldn't this help any potential thieves see that no one is in the room?

We did wonder the same thing. I wouldn't want to leave anything of real value sitting out.

 

[Roxyfire]

I just saw this online and thought of this thread. https://www.click2houston.com/news/...op-floor-of-hyatt-regency-downtown-police-say
Now, it wasn't a random security check that found this but instead due to his actions at the hotel bar. Thank goodness he was sloppy and didn't get a chance to carry out his plan. (Edited there was no plan. Just a gun show attendee) While I don't think random security checks on rooms will accomplish much, nor will they disturb me greatly, I do think news like this only cements the idea as good and useful.

 

[Aurora0427]

I just saw this online and thought of this thread. https://www.click2houston.com/news/...op-floor-of-hyatt-regency-downtown-police-say
Now, it wasn't a random security check that found this but instead due to his actions at the hotel bar. Thank goodness he was sloppy and didn't get a chance to carry out his plan. While I don't think random security checks on rooms will accomplish much, nor will they disturb me greatly, I do think news like this only cements the idea as good and useful.

You’re assuming this man had a plan. What this article does not state is that there is a gun show going on down the street. He had 3 guns. Not loads of guns and ammunition. He was partying down at the hotel bar, guns were in his room, not on his person, which is LEGAL.

You know absolutely nothing about this man, you’re just making assumptions based on the jerk in Vegas.

Maybe he was planning something awful, but there’s absolutely no evidence YET that he was.

 

[cobright]

You’re assuming this man had a plan. What this article does not state is that there is a gun show going on down the street. He had 3 guns. Not loads of guns and ammunition. He was partying down at the hotel bar, guns were in his room, not on his person, which is LEGAL.

Actually, this guy was arrested for having a concealed weapon on him while drunk and for having it on him while in a bar. Each of which is a crime on its own. Also, he was arrested for trespassing because the bar asked him to leave and he refused. The weapons in his room, police say, were legal. He may have been on his way to or from a hunt trip for all we know.

I'm guessing the guy did not have any criminal intent beyond not wanting to go put his piece away before drinking.

 

[Aurora0427]

Actually, this guy was arrested for having a concealed weapon on him while drunk and for having it on him while in a bar. Each of which is a crime on its own. Also, he was arrested for trespassing because the bar asked him to leave and he refused. The weapons in his room, police say, were legal. He may have been on his way to or from a hunt trip for all we know.

I'm guessing the guy did not have any criminal intent beyond not wanting to go put his piece away before drinking.

Interesting. That’s not what the news here in Houston reported on the 6pm news. However, they’ve been misreporting on this event since it happened. What you’re saying makes sense- if he had a weapon on him at a bar- moron- that may be why they searched his room.

According to the chief of police, there was no additional intent.

My point is simply that the op basically implied that the police thwarted another mass shooting and just assumed this guy was out to kill people, which wasn’t the case. I also don’t make the connection between that and not having do not disturb signs in hotel rooms.

 

[anthony2k7]

You’re assuming this man had a plan. What this article does not state is that there is a gun show going on down the street. He had 3 guns. Not loads of guns and ammunition. He was partying down at the hotel bar, guns were in his room, not on his person, which is LEGAL.

You know absolutely nothing about this man, you’re just making assumptions based on the jerk in Vegas.

Maybe he was planning something awful, but there’s absolutely no evidence YET that he was.

Maybe you're right and there was no intent here.

However, its also possible that the jerk in Vegas attack will now be seen by others around the world as an example of future possible attacks. Much like vehicles hitting pedestrians in crowded streets is now happening with increasing regularity after being unheard of a couple of years ago. It seems likely to me that there will sooner or later be copies of the vegas attack as well.