Is this person on FB in charge of Fish Extender?

[cmph]

That's exactly what we did. We are a sailing-specific FB group. There are three questions to prove that you are really sailing on our cruise. When someone doesn't answer or if their FB page is highly travel-consulting/cruise retail instead of a more personal FB it raises questions of why they are requesting an add. So far no one has matched this. Okay one person may be a travel agent but this is their family cruise, and one person never responded to anything for over a month and their FB page/profile was basically a blank page. This is my first time as an administrator (we all got to start somewhere) and appreciate the support and interest others are showing. But I don't want to mess up or be too controlling over others. We have a mixology moderator, but still need our Meet Up moderator and our FE moderator. And if we decide to try to do excursions together or table mate together, do we need moderators for those? I am assuming members can handle that between themselves. I am grateful for reading that pre/post stays, and traveling to/from, ports, etc. are options to include on the FB group page. We have an "Introduce Yourself" post right now, we will need to include those too.

I wouldn't worry too much about having moderators for everything. It should naturally evolve as time goes on, with people posting questions or offering info to each other. Or you could just post a catch-all "what do you guys want out of this group?" thing after you have a decent number of members. Then you'll save yourself the effort of dealing with stuff no one is interested in doing anyway. It all depends on the specific cruise, though. As long as you aren't controlling (and it doesn't sound like you are!) then people will be comfortable posting to ask if anyone wants to share a shuttle or the like.

 

[Stratus22]

Sad part is, everyone knows who "She" is! I think being who "She" is has gotten to her head...actually,........their head because there's a few of them that seem to control anything Disney on FB. My only hope is they don't come try that here because as others have said, they have controlled many FB Cruise groups even if one has been established. This is a great community and love the interaction I have with many here. Very helpful and I'm never afraid to ask a question with fearing of either being ridiculed for asking or mocked about asking.

 

[bats]

Like Gilsan, I was in a group for an upcoming cruise that she was admin for. Jeez, she and her little admin friend are controlling. A new group started up as they wouldn't allow anyone to organise activities without their say so - madness!
The other group is so much fun, relaxed and friendly. I'm still a member of the other group although I don't know how as I must have upset them when they asked for a new banner photo for the group and I posted this ....

 

[frostymom]

If this isn’t the right place to ask this, then I apologize.

I first read about FE on here ages ago and now that I’m finally going on a Disney cruise I wanted to join a group and participate. There wasn’t yet a group for my sailing so I decided to start one. I googled around and found an FE group on Facebook. I joined and was told in order to form a group for my sailing I would have to talk with the owner/admin if the page, get approved etc. It was kind of an ordeal? But whatever. The group was established and we went about our merry way.

But something that my group and I have noticed (we have discussed this at great length) is how controlling this particular Admin/Page Owner is. The FE Page is huge and has a lot of members. At first I liked it because it was awesome to see so many people posting their gifts; it was a great page to look at to get ideas. But every other post is shut down by this particular Admin. She limits what people can talk about. She has tried to interfere with our group and how it is run. She seems to be a “rule follower”, which is fine, but I’m not so okay with it if I feel like it is interfering with my own group.

I became friends with another person who is in another cruise date group and she said that some time ago, this Admin was in her group because she was sailing with them. She said it was horrible having them in the group because they were controlling everything, deleting posts that even mentioned “alcohol” etc. Yikes.

What my group and I were wondering: can we ask to be unlinked from this page? Is this Admin in charge of FE? Did she invent the concept? Do we have to abide by all of her rules? We all agree that we just don’t want to deal with her anymore but we aren’t sure if we have to go through her in order to participate.

Thanks!

I have started a group that is working on this issue. Please inbox me for more info. The group is formed to compile a credible complaint to present to Disney, Disney Cruise line and hopefully extinguish this negative element that is overshadowing Disney's cruise community! The money these people are making at the expense of Disney Cruise Line and Disney Corporation because of possible fraud, copyright infringement, etc...this needs to change!

 

[frostymom]

Like Gilsan, I was in a group for an upcoming cruise that she was admin for. Jeez, she and her little admin friend are controlling. A new group started up as they wouldn't allow anyone to organise activities without their say so - madness!
The other group is so much fun, relaxed and friendly. I'm still a member of the other group although I don't know how as I must have upset them when they asked for a new banner photo for the group and I posted this ....

I have started a group that is working on this issue. Please inbox me for more info. The group is formed to compile a credible complaint to present to Disney, Disney Cruise line and hopefully extinguish this negative element that is overshadowing Disney's cruise community! The money these people are making at the expense of Disney Cruise Line and Disney Corporation because of possible fraud, copyright infringement, etc...this needs to change!

 

[frostymom]

Sad part is, everyone knows who "She" is! I think being who "She" is has gotten to her head...actually,........their head because there's a few of them that seem to control anything Disney on FB. My only hope is they don't come try that here because as others have said, they have controlled many FB Cruise groups even if one has been established. This is a great community and love the interaction I have with many here. Very helpful and I'm never afraid to ask a question with fearing of either being ridiculed for asking or mocked about asking.

I have started a group that is working on this issue. Please inbox me for more info. The group is formed to compile a credible complaint to present to Disney, Disney Cruise line and hopefully extinguish this negative element that is overshadowing Disney's cruise community! The money these people are making at the expense of Disney Cruise Line and Disney Corporation because of possible fraud, copyright infringement, etc...this needs to change!

 

[frostymom]

I am definitely NOT a fan of the FB page. In fact, I quit. Her (and her husband) are way too controlling. I mentioned that the idea of FE originated here and by whom and got jumped on by both of them. I participated in the FE from the beginning so I am quite protective of it. She definitely likes to have her hand in the pot for every sailing and that is annoying. She should not be in a group that already has an admin. I don't know if she still does it but one sailing she had us agree to her rules and also provide some personal info and she was NOT sailing. Nope, not gonna happen. I dropped out. There were no rules in the beginning here. It was for fun. The fun is gone. You weren't kicked out of the group "just because". I've known too many people that have had issues. It's almost like high school. Nothing like the DIS!

I have started a group that is working on this issue. Please inbox me for more info. The group is formed to compile a credible complaint to present to Disney, Disney Cruise line and hopefully extinguish this negative element that is overshadowing Disney's cruise community! The money these people are making at the expense of Disney Cruise Line and Disney Corporation because of possible fraud, copyright infringement, etc...this needs to change!

 

[frostymom]

The bad one is Junkies. That's the husband/wife. I've never noticed the other one being ridiculous.

Yes, there is the Junkies, the FE Sell and swap and the directory which lists the cruises and the links to the FB pages.
October 2017 I formed a page for a Wonder cruise in 2019, formed a small group and another gentleman also wanted to admin, we joined up. Last week Ali and Amy (the above mentioned ladies) "invaded" the cruise page stating it is the Junkie Cruise and went about posting rules, FE and just wanted to take over. Knowing what I was dealing with I said no way! Amy came guns blazing accusing me of running the page as an advertising (I am a new disney travel planner) which I had never mentioned anything about TA, etc..I inbox her. Amy's response, "Oh and your page will be removed from the majority of the pages that list cruise groups. Power in numbers..."

 

[frostymom]

I was in a cruise group with that

If I was you I would remove her from your group. If you can't remove her start a new group and invite all your current members except her.

I was in a cruise group for an upcoming cruise with the person you are talking about. They are unbelievable, I had never been in such a controlling group before. They, (the main admin and her minions), were deleting posts and removing people from the group without any explanation. I was banned and blocked from the group. Myself and another banned member started a new cruise FB group page. It was difficult to get started because the original was so large, but now our group is almost the same size, they have upset so many people on the original group. They wouldn't let people plan cruise events, and you can't make a new post/ ask a question, all posts won't show up until the admins approve the post, it is ridiculous. I will never join another cruise group where she/they are an admin.

I have talked with several who have changed their dates of their cruise because of these Junkies. There is no way I am going on a cruise with them either! So I am also changing my dates, though I have a feeling she will not be on the cruise, just trying to take over the pages. They obviously have a financial gain to treat others so rude and controlling. And since it is their page who lists the cruise dates and meet/group pages they feel they can control who, who and where. Working on changing this...inbox me for more info.

 

[FigmentSpark]

Can't you complain to FB?

 

[gilsan]

Can't you complain to FB?

I am not sure if FB would do anything about them. I know some members of our cruise group did send complaints to FB about how they were treated, I never heard if they got any sort of reply back.

 

[gilsan]

Like Gilsan, I was in a group for an upcoming cruise that she was admin for. Jeez, she and her little admin friend are controlling. A new group started up as they wouldn't allow anyone to organise activities without their say so - madness!
The other group is so much fun, relaxed and friendly. I'm still a member of the other group although I don't know how as I must have upset them when they asked for a new banner photo for the group and I posted this ....

I don't know how you are still a member of their cruise group, I am still surprised they haven't banned and blocked you yet lol!

 

[frostymom]

Can't you complain to FB?

This is more than a complaint to FB. I believe there are complaints out there that encompass illegal activity, bullying and copyright infringement. I want it shut down! I want those who think they can control and treat people like this put out of business, the business of belittling Disney's guests and clients!

 

[gilsan]

This is more than a complaint to FB. I believe there are complaints out there that encompass illegal activity, bullying and copyright infringement. I want it shut down! I want those who think they can control and treat people like this put out of business, the business of belittling Disney's guests and clients!

I sent you a PM

 

[cyclenut]

WOW. I saw this thread and I can so relate. I joined a cruise specific FB group that was started very early after booking window opened. It was great at first. Then, several months in, these ladies started creating rules. I really had no idea what was going on, so I asked a few questions and was summarily thrown out of the group. PM notes were ignored. Fortunately someone else started another FB group for the same sailing that grew to a few hundred members and is so much fun!! I can usually co-exist with almost anyone, but not these ladies.

Unfortunately they have created this "network" of several different FB groups that they watch. I was not surprised to see in this thread that they can sometimes come in after the group was created and "convince" the original creator to allow them to "take over" admin. Then the "fun" begins.

This behavior is one of the reasons I stay on the DIS and a BIG reason why the DIS doesn't allow FB cruise groups or other FB groups to be mentioned on the DIS.

 

[Snowwhyt]

I’m surprised she has come back in such full force. Back when I sailed over New Years in 2014/15, I believe she stepped aside when asked, but if I understood correctly it was with a grudge. All aforementioned problems being the issues. She was on the largest Disney Cruising site but their was a crash and burn of personality’s that caused a ban of several. Later I was fortunate to have created my own group within the first few days of the sail list date(had a friend from prior cruise to hold my hand). And was listed on both sites with no drama. The short cruise I’m taking in late March also has no drama on FB but no presence here. I kinda like to have representation on both so those non-FB people are not left out.

 

[mmouse37]

Excuse my ignorance since I do not have a FB page and I am trying to understand what is happening to some who posted here. My husband does have FB and I go on his to just read some posts now and then about family.

So, if I am understanding correctly, there is a person/persons out there on FB that commandeers another person's cruise date specific FB group to control the FE exchange? That seem so crazy. I thought people who were sailing on a specific cruise started a FB meets page and only people on that cruise could join. I can't believe there is someone who joins another's group to control the FE and they are not even sailing. Just wow.

I joined a FB cruise specific group recently under my husband's profile and was asked a few questions which was fine as I understood they only want people who are sailing that date to join. I just basically wanted info on San Juan hotels and how the island was doing post hurricane. Read a bunch of posts and gained some great info. Seemed like a fun group! I used to love the cruise meets thread on the DIS and very sorry to see that they are hardly visited anymore. Everything seems to be on FB now.

MJ

 

[cyclenut]

Excuse my ignorance since I do not have a FB page and I am trying to understand what is happening to some who posted here. My husband does have FB and I go on his to just read some posts now and then about family.

So, if I am understanding correctly, there is a person/persons out there on FB that commandeers another person's cruise date specific FB group to control the FE exchange? That seem so crazy. I thought people who were sailing on a specific cruise started a FB meets page and only people on that cruise could join. I can't believe there is someone who joins another's group to control the FE and they are not even sailing. Just wow.

I joined a FB cruise specific group recently under my husband's profile and was asked a few questions which was fine as I understood they only want people who are sailing that date to join. I just basically wanted info on San Juan hotels and how the island was doing post hurricane. Read a bunch of posts and gained some great info. Seemed like a fun group! I used to love the cruise meets thread on the DIS and very sorry to see that they are hardly visited anymore. Everything seems to be on FB now.

MJ

People are free to create FB groups for whatever purpose they desire. Some of taken to creating groups for a particular sailing. FB allows you to administer the group. You can decide how public or private you want to be, how members are added, etc. It is good practice to make the group private, which means the anyone wanting to join has to be approved. It also means that anything you post in that group is not visible to any members that are not in that group. Even that can be controlled through, so it's really up to the group admin what they want to do. The highest level of security available is secret, which means the group name itself will not show up in any FB search. The only way to know a secret group exists is to be invited to the group or to have someone post a link somewhere that allows you to join.

There is an individual who has created a few of these groups for different purposes that are not sail specific and actively controls what is allowed to be posted, removing posts and locking discussions to limit the banter. That's all well and good, but then they also create FB groups that are sailing specific then post the links to those groups on their more general sites so people can find the links. Sounds convenient and everything goes well for awhile. Then, as the number of members increases closer to sail date, they start locking things down.

It's not just about FEs. It's about all cruise activities. They assign an admin for an activity and only activities approved by the group admin are even allowed to exist. Nobody can start an activity on their own. Nobody can post to gauge interest in an activity. We've got a great guy on our current cruise specific group that wanted to create a "marathon". Each day you agree to walk the deck for a certain period of time and at the end of the cruise he will give you a pin commemorating the occasion. Very cool idea. Does not require any organization. Just an encouragement to move more during your cruise. His idea, he is organizing it. The group admin saw it and simply added it to the list of things available. No worries. The "other" group that controls everything would never allow that to happen. They have now locked things down to the point where all posts must first be approved in that "other" group.

 

[Eluna]

Excuse my ignorance since I do not have a FB page and I am trying to understand what is happening to some who posted here. My husband does have FB and I go on his to just read some posts now and then about family.

So, if I am understanding correctly, there is a person/persons out there on FB that commandeers another person's cruise date specific FB group to control the FE exchange? That seem so crazy. I thought people who were sailing on a specific cruise started a FB meets page and only people on that cruise could join. I can't believe there is someone who joins another's group to control the FE and they are not even sailing. Just wow.

I joined a FB cruise specific group recently under my husband's profile and was asked a few questions which was fine as I understood they only want people who are sailing that date to join. I just basically wanted info on San Juan hotels and how the island was doing post hurricane. Read a bunch of posts and gained some great info. Seemed like a fun group! I used to love the cruise meets thread on the DIS and very sorry to see that they are hardly visited anymore. Everything seems to be on FB now.

MJ

Someone can probably explain it better, but basically this woman has a huge FB Page (actually two) where you can join and people post their gift ideas for FE and discuss their cruise. She runs both pages and they have a lot of members. Because there are so many members, it’s the most popular place on FB to find other people sailing in your cruise date. You can start your own page for your cruise date, but in order for her to agree to link you in the FB group, she makes you agree to her rules. She also can come to your page and take control of it.

Before coming here to ask this question I assumed she had invented the concept and was in charge of it...

 

[mousefan73]

@Eluna, she has no reason to be on your cruise specific FB page. You can be the Admin and run the group and FE any way you like. If she has bullies you into being a member of the group, I would remove her...

She will cut the link from the main page but title the group and anyone searching groups in FB will find it. Example. Disney “ship” “date”. Add FE fishe extender.