Who lets their kids sing loudly on an airplane

[AnnaFloridaLover]

How bourgeoisie. The very idea, simply not!

Thanks for quoting me so I can't edit or delete my response. There goes my stellar reputation on these boards.

 

[cabanafrau]

Thanks for quoting me so I can't edit or delete my response. There goes my stellar reputation on these boards.

Thou shall forever be branded and smited.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Thou shall forever be branded and smited.

In my defence, I was working with what I was given. Uncivilized little heathens. No fois gras or squab for them if they misbehaved.

 

[MillauFr]

Do I detect sarcasm?

Absolutely. Here in the Pacific Northwest everyone is perfect in every way

 

[cabanafrau]

In my defence, I was working with what I was given. Uncivilized little heathens. No fois gras or squab for them if they misbehaved.

If only you knew then what you know now. Setting them to table with a curated menu of haricots verts, creamy portobello mushroom polenta, hamachi crudo topped with foam, or deconstructed quinoa pickled beet and foraged kale salad a few times a week is the proper way to raise junior with at least some aspiration for a semi sophisticated palate.

 

[mjkacmom]

Not necessarily. When my little one was around 18 mths, we had him in a car seat, forward facing (as the car seat required), in the window seat. His legs were short enough that they stuck straight out in front of him, and when the seat in front of him inevitably reclined, his feet naturally touched the seat back in front of him. He wasn't kicking, but his feet literally had no where else to go. Any amount of movement would result in jostling to the seat in front of him. I tried to keep him as still as I could, but what was I supposed to do? It wasn't safe for him to be without a car seat at that age, and I tried explaining the situation to the person in front of him which just resulted in many, many sighs every time the kid had the audacity to move. Sometimes you really can't win.

This happened to us. If the seat was not reclined, my ds’s feet wouldn’t have reached (I took his shoes off).

 

[disykat]

Not necessarily. When my little one was around 18 mths, we had him in a car seat, forward facing (as the car seat required), in the window seat. His legs were short enough that they stuck straight out in front of him, and when the seat in front of him inevitably reclined, his feet naturally touched the seat back in front of him. He wasn't kicking, but his feet literally had no where else to go. Any amount of movement would result in jostling to the seat in front of him. I tried to keep him as still as I could, but what was I supposed to do? It wasn't safe for him to be without a car seat at that age, and I tried explaining the situation to the person in front of him which just resulted in many, many sighs every time the kid had the audacity to move. Sometimes you really can't win.

I agree that sometimes you can't do anything about it and it's too bad the person wasn't more understanding. However, I stand by what I said which was that, purposeful or not, the seat is still being "kicked."

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

If only you knew then what you know now. Setting them to table with a curated menu of haricots verts, creamy portobello mushroom polenta, hamachi crudo topped with foam, or deconstructed quinoa pickled beet and foraged kale salad a few times a week is the proper way to raise junior with at least some aspiration for a semi sophisticated palate.

I bet that type of foodie exposure leads to children skipping a few grades too. Live and learn.

 

[maxiesmom]

I agree that sometimes you can't do anything about it and it's too bad the person wasn't more understanding. However, I stand by what I said which was that, purposeful or not, the seat is still being "kicked."

And I know there is at least one poster on this board who reclines the seat or else ends up in a bad way. The seats are made to recline, so you really can't blame people for using the function. However, at some point you may be having to choose between reclining and being kicked, or sitting upright.

 

[mummabear]

Respectfully, needing to fly with a toddler is not a rare occurrence. That’s an odd statement. There are hundreds of reasons someone would need to do that. You may not think it’s a “need” but that’s not really for you to decide. There are plenty of ways to keep a kiddos busy and happy on a plane, and when all else fails Benadryl is a beautiful thing (according to our pediatrician, we’ve never needed to resort to that luckily!)

I really dislike the notion or attitude that planes are for adults and children should not be seen or heard if they are going to be so priveledged as to be allowed to fly. :-(

I agree with everything except drugging your kids.

Parents should do EVERYTHING humanly possible to see to it that their kids do not become other passengers’ problems — that’s the key IMO.

And so should all adult passengers.
Kids are hardly the worst of the fellow passengers.

 

[mummabear]

Not necessarily. When my little one was around 18 mths, we had him in a car seat, forward facing (as the car seat required), in the window seat. His legs were short enough that they stuck straight out in front of him, and when the seat in front of him inevitably reclined, his feet naturally touched the seat back in front of him. He wasn't kicking, but his feet literally had no where else to go. Any amount of movement would result in jostling to the seat in front of him. I tried to keep him as still as I could, but what was I supposed to do? It wasn't safe for him to be without a car seat at that age, and I tried explaining the situation to the person in front of him which just resulted in many, many sighs every time the kid had the audacity to move. Sometimes you really can't win.

I had a similar situation, I had a lap child who was asleep on me, the guy in front reclined his seat so far back that it was on my knees.
Every time I had to move around to get comfortable he got joustled and very upset.
He was entitled to recline his seat back, I was entitled to be allowed to move.

and have my child sit crossed legged in their seat as much as was reasonable

It is unreasonable to expect a fellow passenger to sit cross legged in their seat so that you can recline all the way without being bumped.
Kids aren’t second class, they deserve the same respect that you are asking from them.

However, I stand by what I said which was that, purposeful or not, the seat is still being "kicked."

No kicking a seat is kicking a seat.
A seat being moved because it is reclined so far back that it interferes with the other passengers movements and as a result get bumped=not kicking

 

[scrapquitler]

The parents sitting behind me have let their two children sing at the top of their lungs for the whole two plus hour flight. I’ve got a headache

You sat there that long without saying something?? I wouldn't be able to resist turning around and very sweetly asking the children to stop. And then when they don't, I wouldn't hesitate to ask the flight attendant to intervene. No way am I suffering for that long.

 

[lifesavacation]

Children can be seen and heard, just as adults. Screaming and singing isn't appropriate behavior for anyone on an airplane. Be respectful of others' no matter your age.

ETA: OP here the answer to your original question "Who lets their kids sing loudly on an airplane?"

I was on a flight to Denver last month that had significant turbulence for the last 45+ minutes of the flight. The mom across the row from me was yelling to her kids the whole time. I’m sorry, turbulence sucks, and it sucks not to be sitting next to your kids when it hits, but what kind of an adult yells like that on a plane? It really freaked my daughter out because it sounded like she was convinced we were crashing and she was saying her last goodbyes (don’t ever forget mom loves you, think about your family, etc) It made an unpleasant flight so much worse.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

If only you knew then what you know now. Setting them to table with a curated menu of haricots verts, creamy portobello mushroom polenta, hamachi crudo topped with foam, or deconstructed quinoa pickled beet and foraged kale salad a few times a week is the proper way to raise junior with at least some aspiration for a semi sophisticated palate.

Everything here sounds awesome... except kale, of course. That needs to be disappeared from all menus.

Daring to take this discussion semi-seriously (!!), my kids have enjoyed everything from McDonald's to Nobu. Yes... *gasp* we took them to Nobu! My daughter preferred California rolls to hamburgers at the age of 3 -- *gasp again*. In either place, they knew how to behave -- because we expected it of them.

Funny, this whole thread today... after I read the first post earlier...

• I took Uber and had a driver tell me he just had a 3yr old climbing all over his freshly steamed car seats with dirty shoes -- parent couldn't care less. He said it happens more and more all the time -- parents just don't care.
• At the hairdresser, a woman brought her preschooler who kept trying to open cabinets and grab hairdryers off of tables. She seemed to think it was amusing.
• Just got back from a Board meeting where someone mentioned just having flown in with a child kicking the back of her seat for half the flight, and the kid SMILED when she asked his mom to please try to do something and the mom shrugged her shoulders.

Is it laziness?? People just too tired to parent?? Ugh.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

How bourgeoisie. The very idea, simply not!

You mean "how bourgeois" (adjective). "Bourgeoisie" is a noun. Even sarcasm should be grammatically correct.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Everything here sounds awesome... except kale, of course. That needs to be disappeared from all menus.

Daring to take this discussion semi-seriously (!!), my kids have enjoyed everything from McDonald's to Nobu. Yes... *gasp* we took them to Nobu! My daughter preferred California rolls to hamburgers at the age of 3 -- *gasp again*. In either place, they knew how to behave -- because we expected it of them.

Funny, this whole thread today... after I read the first post earlier...

• I took Uber and had a driver tell me he just had a 3yr old climbing all over his freshly steamed car seats with dirty shoes -- parent couldn't care less. He said it happens more and more all the time -- parents just don't care.
• At the hairdresser, a woman brought her preschooler who kept trying to open cabinets and grab hairdryers off of tables. She seemed to think it was amusing.
• Just got back from a Board meeting where someone mentioned just having flown in with a child kicking the back of her seat for half the flight, and the kid SMILED when she asked his mom to please try to do something and the mom shrugged her shoulders.

Is it laziness?? People just too tired to parent?? Ugh.

Your two year old knew how to behave in a restaurant at that age? Maybe you just had a really good two year old who has never suffered a tantrum or breakdown. Good for you. Nobu is quite child friendly, especially during lunchtime. Not really gasp worthy.

Oh and be aware of Muphry's law. Never correct another person's grammar. It's so embarrassing when it comes back to bite you.

 

[quandrea]

I know my kids naturally raise their voices when their headphones are on. I immediately shut it down. Once corrected, it stops. Why anyone would let the singing continue, baffles me. The kids just need direction on the issue. They probably mean no harm. Parents place to educate.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Your two year old knew how to behave in a restaurant at that age? Maybe you just had a really good two year old who has never suffered a tantrum or breakdown. Good for you. Nobu is quite child friendly, especially during lunchtime. Not really gasp worthy.

Oh and be aware of Muphry's law. Never correct another person's grammar. It's so embarrassing when it comes back to bite you.

I don't usually. But I speak French so this was a no-brainer. A semi-sarcastic response meant in good fun to what I assume (perhaps incorrectly?) was a sarcastic post meant in good fun -- no?

And no -- my two-year olds did suffer tantrums at times -- we would take them out of the restaurant whether it was a McDonald's or Nobu. I didn't make it every other diner's problem that my kid was having a tantrum. Didn't happen often -- perhaps we were lucky.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

You mean "how bourgeois" (adjective). "Bourgeoisie" is a noun. Even sarcasm should be grammatically correct.

Everything here sounds awesome... except kale, of course. That needs to be disappeared from all menus.
Daring to take this discussion semi-seriously (!!), my kids have enjoyed everything from McDonald's to Nobu. Yes... *gasp* we took them to Nobu! My daughter preferred California rolls to hamburgers at the age of 3 -- *gasp again*. In either place, they knew how to behave -- because we expected it of them.

Funny, this whole thread today... after I read the first post earlier...

• I took Uber and had a driver tell me he just had a 3yr old climbing all over his freshly steamed car seats with dirty shoes -- parent couldn't care less. He said it happens more and more all the time -- parents just don't care.
• At the hairdresser, a woman brought her preschooler who kept trying to open cabinets and grab hairdryers off of tables. She seemed to think it was amusing.
• Just got back from a Board meeting where someone mentioned just having flown in with a child kicking the back of her seat for half the flight, and the kid SMILED when she asked his mom to please try to do something and the mom shrugged her shoulders.

Is it laziness?? People just too tired to parent?? Ugh.

Muphry's law at it's finest.

 

[MillauFr]

Thanks for quoting me so I can't edit or delete my response. There goes my stellar reputation on these boards.

You are still one of my favorite posters on these boards....