An open letter to Disney about mandatory room checks.

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

What you have been told differs from Disney's official policy on weapons on property:

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Re: Disney World’s Concealed Carry Policy

Dear Phil,

Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World Resort.

It may interest you to know we have a strict policy regarding firearms.

Our policy is that no guns are permitted in our theme Parks or Resorts.

If a resort guest brings one on property, it must be locked up in the safe deposit boxes at the front desk, not in a room safe. If guests visiting our theme parks bring in firearms, it must either be left in their vehicle, or checked in with security when entering the park. Only on-duty law enforcement officers whose agency has jurisdiction at the Walt Disney World Resort may carry any weapon.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

— Betsy Mayer, WDW Online Communications"

Without given out certain info ... like I said in 20 yrs they have always knows at the front desk and we do exactly what they tell us , and like I said they will not store a LE duty weapon in their front desk safe .. you can do however emails you want but we actually deal with it personally.
He also does not fall under regular “ concealed carry “ . He does not even have to have a concealed carry .we have always been upfront and had a safe plan for Disney to satisfy their needs so he does not carry in Park ( which would be a valid excuse for him considering the rides and all ) .

 

[kaytieeldr]

Lol so agree !! MCO is a joke .. I breezed through security hardly checked going to the UK .. but leaving Manchester England I spent a hour getting through security and not only did they dump every single thing out of carry ons but then used the wand after THAT .. they were 100% thorough...

I'm confused. How does your experience at Manchester demonstrate that MCO is a joke?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Further, as a few have suggested, where is that line of decency? Would it be ok to put a camera in every room for the sake of safety?

Florida is a dual consent state, so, no it would not be okay. Or legal. While nobody in this thread has threatened to bring/use a nanny cam, at least one person in one of the many threads on this topic (aka, no, I'm not going searching for it) has threatened to do just that. Still illegal.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Like the clown show at MCO. "OH, long lines are ok because it means I'm safe." No...long lines are due to mean, rude, inefficient TSA agents.

Long lines for can also be due to inexperienced passengers, even rude passengers.

 

[kaytieeldr]

They also have the legal right to come in and sit on your bed and watch you sleep. What's your point? We should be ok with whatever Disney has the legal right to do even if it's disruptive and creepy?

They've always had that right. Never the desire, apparently, but yeah. What made you think of it?

 

[kaytieeldr]

I disagree with the whole "safe than sorry or times are changing" argument. So if Disney decided to put cameras in their resort rooms in the name of "safety," people here would not have a problem with it?

As stated above, Florida is a dual consent state so it's simply not going to happen unless the law changes

 

[Jen1995]

As stated above, Florida is a dual consent state so it's simply not going to happen unless the law changes

That's for recording conversations, not videotape. Now the law DOES prevent people from videotaping others where there is a "reasonable expectation of privacy," but Disney has made it clear that your hotel room (exuding the bathroom) is not such a space.

 

[Nancyg56]

That's for recording conversations, not videotape. Now the law DOES prevent people from videotaping others where there is a "reasonable expectation of privacy," but Disney has made it clear that your hotel room (exuding the bathroom) is not such a space.

I honestly do not think this is the case, and believe that when people use this kind of argument to solidify their arguments, the opposite occurs. I understand. You oppose this procedure that WDW has decided to follow through with. You want to convince others it is a slippery slope that also allows for more intrusion, but insisting that there is no expectation of privacy in a bedroom is probably not the best argument to validate your position.

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

I'm confused. How does your experience at Manchester demonstrate that MCO is a joke?

ACTUALLY it was my experience at MCO that gives me that impression..given I live in Florida and that’s the airport I fly out of ..better question , what is YOUR experience in Manchester that gives you the experience to compare the two ?
... but as far as questions I myself am confused at the question given I made my statement clear as far as comparing security between the two , One was was bad ( really bad ) one was extremely good . I can only guess since I shared the comments I got over staying in the room till 11 .. From you .. that you decided to again comment on something pretty irrelevant for no reason ?

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

That's for recording conversations, not videotape. Now the law DOES prevent people from videotaping others where there is a "reasonable expectation of privacy," but Disney has made it clear that your hotel room (exuding the bathroom) is not such a space.

YOU are correct .. the law pertains to audio recording... and you can absolutely put a nanny cam with no sound in a hotel room ..

 

[Jen1995]

I honestly do not think this is the case, and believe that when people use this kind of argument to solidify their arguments, the opposite occurs. I understand. You oppose this procedure that WDW has decided to follow through with. You want to convince others it is a slippery slope that also allows for more intrusion, but insisting that there is no expectation of privacy in a bedroom is probably not the best argument to validate your position.

If there is a legal expectation of privacy in a bedroom, then Disney's "knock and enter" routine is exactly the same legally as if they "knock and enter" a bathroom stall. Clearly that is not the case. They are stating, very clearly, that they can knock and enter the room when they choose. You do NOT have an expectation of privacy. If you did, what they are doing is illegal whether or not they own the room.

 

[mom2rtk]

What you have been told differs from Disney's official policy on weapons on property:

"
Re: Disney World’s Concealed Carry Policy

Dear Phil,

Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World Resort.

It may interest you to know we have a strict policy regarding firearms.

Our policy is that no guns are permitted in our theme Parks or Resorts.

If a resort guest brings one on property, it must be locked up in the safe deposit boxes at the front desk, not in a room safe. If guests visiting our theme parks bring in firearms, it must either be left in their vehicle, or checked in with security when entering the park. Only on-duty law enforcement officers whose agency has jurisdiction at the Walt Disney World Resort may carry any weapon.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

— Betsy Mayer, WDW Online Communications"

Then isn't it interesting that the PP had a room check with one laying out in plain view and nothing was even said?

 

[darrengs]

What you have been told differs from Disney's official policy on weapons on property:

"
Re: Disney World’s Concealed Carry Policy

Dear Phil,

Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World Resort.

It may interest you to know we have a strict policy regarding firearms.

Our policy is that no guns are permitted in our theme Parks or Resorts.

If a resort guest brings one on property, it must be locked up in the safe deposit boxes at the front desk, not in a room safe. If guests visiting our theme parks bring in firearms, it must either be left in their vehicle, or checked in with security when entering the park. Only on-duty law enforcement officers whose agency has jurisdiction at the Walt Disney World Resort may carry any weapon.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

— Betsy Mayer, WDW Online Communications"

Not weighing in on WDW policy as I have no idea, but this quoted email is 10 years old (and missing the last line "PLEASE NOTE: All information is subject to change without notice and should be confirmed just prior to your visit."), things could have changed.

Source: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/disney-worlds-concealed-carry-guidelines/

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

Not weighing in on WDW policy as I have no idea, but this quoted email is 10 years old (and missing the last line "PLEASE NOTE: All information is subject to change without notice and should be confirmed just prior to your visit."), things could have changed.

Source: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/disney-worlds-concealed-carry-guidelines/

Yes , I remeber when someone tries to use this years ago to prove a point also ... lol and even then we still followed their instructions on what we should do .. case by case .. not to mention this mostly refers to concealed carry situations, certain types of LE do not have nor need a permit for the weapon .. their certification is their permit ..

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

Then isn't it interesting that the PP had a room check with one laying out in plain view and nothing was even said?

Interesting exactly.. again we would have not been offended being asked about it but we were not , the point of even sharing that was to show how little these checks really accomplish... if someone had been hiding a entire bag of guns in the closet no one would even notice therefore how is this intrusive check covering Disney’s backside ? Really ? It will just show that even checking they didn’t do enough of a job to prevent a event ...

 

[Nancyg56]

If there is a legal expectation of privacy in a bedroom, then Disney's "knock and enter" routine is exactly the same legally as if they "knock and enter" a bathroom stall. Clearly that is not the case. They are stating, very clearly, that they can knock and enter the room when they choose. You do NOT have an expectation of privacy. If you did, what they are doing is illegal whether or not they own the room.

So you are saying that a "knock and enter" is the same thing as video recording people in their bedroom? Really? There is no expectation of privacy in a bedroom? I would love to hear this argument.

 

[Bella Paige]

Then isn't it interesting that the PP had a room check with one laying out in plain view and nothing was even said?

She didn't have a room check with a weapon in plain view, she had roomservice delivered. Roomservice isn't delivered by housekeeping and/or security so not an employee who would necessarily know the rules on weapons in guest room.

Just because the weapon was laying out doesn't mean the person delivering food took the opportunity to scan the contents of the room. Imagine the uproar here if that employee was witnessed takin a mental inventory of the room contents - people would immediately jump to the assumption that they were probably casing the room for a later robbery.

 

[mom2rtk]

She didn't have a room check with a weapon in plain view, she had roomservice delivered. Roomservice isn't delivered by housekeeping and/or security so not an employee who would necessarily know the rules on weapons in guest room.

Just because the weapon was laying out doesn't mean the person delivering food took the opportunity to scan the contents of the room. Imagine the uproar here if that employee was witnessed takin a mental inventory of the room contents - people would immediately jump to the assumption that they were probably casing the room for a later robbery.

But this is all about safety, right? If they're worried about people amassing an arsenal in their room, they need to train all of their employees entering the room to be aware of what they see and report it if they see a weapon laying in plain sight. I mean, safety is paramount, right? I don't see any connection between that and casing a room, just being aware and reporting obvious things like weapons laying in the open.

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

She didn't have a room check with a weapon in plain view, she had roomservice delivered. Roomservice isn't delivered by housekeeping and/or security so not an employee who would necessarily know the rules on weapons in guest room.

Just because the weapon was laying out doesn't mean the person delivering food took the opportunity to scan the contents of the room. Imagine the uproar here if that employee was witnessed takin a mental inventory of the room contents - people would immediately jump to the assumption that they were probably casing the room for a later robbery.

Are you done twisting my story for your benefit? Please read all the posts on the subject not just one .. It had to be moved because it was in the way of what he was setting up .. where it was put and LOCKED into the safe . It was only out because we had went to the outlet mall and had just returned to the room . We are ALWAYS very safety aware when at Disney and either have it locked in a safe in the car ( we don’t prefer because of break ins ) or in a locked case inside the locked safe .. so double locked .

Although .. doesn’t matter much we are done with the Orlando disney Parks and Also staying on site .. so doesn’t matter at this point .

 

[pattyw]

Thanks @Fldisneyfamily4321 for all of your helpful information!

It is greatly appreciated, very well stated and explained by you.