Resort pool etiquette: other parents unsafe children

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I think its pretty far fetched that at a public pool area with dozens of other people around a child could get away with saying an adult put hands on them when that is not the case. I don't think we need to live our lives worried about what someone might say. anyone could accuse me of anything at any time. Doesn't mean its credible.

I think it's definitely worth the chance of stepping in if the child's behavior is putting others at risk. I would feel pretty rotten if I sat there and did nothing and another child got seriously hurt.

It's not far fetched. And adults should be concerned about being falsely accused of things. The original poster threatened them that they are done there, raised his voice towards them, etc. As much as he has every right to be concerned that his young child could get hurt or that the kids aren't even supposed to be in there, it's not his private pool and you don't control what happens there with other people's kids. You can remove yours if you feel the risk is great and get a staff member in the meantime. All it would take is one of those kids getting too close to his young child and him stepping in to prevent an injury to his young child, that a stranger's child could perceive or say something even untrue about how his hands wound up on them (in protecting his own child). Yes, when it comes to other's kids, even in a public setting, it's best to stay back and let the proper channels handle bad behavior. And while an accusation does not mean it's credible, who wants to even chance that? Especially on vacation?? I guess you might. No way for me. I would stay far back and get a staff member to handle it, to keep things as hassle free as possible.
 
It's not far fetched. And adults should be concerned about being falsely accused of things. The original poster threatened them that they are done there, raised his voice towards them, etc. As much as he has every right to be concerned that his young child could get hurt or that the kids aren't even supposed to be in there, it's not his private pool and you don't control what happens there with other people's kids. You can remove yours if you feel the risk is great and get a staff member in the meantime. All it would take is one of those kids getting too close to his young child and him stepping in to prevent an injury to his young child, that a stranger's child could perceive or say something even untrue about how his hands wound up on them (in protecting his own child). Yes, when it comes to other's kids, even in a public setting, it's best to stay back and let the proper channels handle bad behavior.
We will have to agree to disagree. I definitely don't condone yelling at children, and yes he could have chosen his words much better, but I feel it is the right thing to do to speak up when you see unsafe behavior that could result in injury to another child. I cannot just keep my mouth shut and let a kid get hurt. I have never once seen a staff member at Disney actually handle one of these situations. They just don't intervene, and I cannot stand by.
 
Yes exactly! How old were these kids?My Kindergartner is 5 and is almost 48" (and most of his class is around the same height or taller). He is extremely gentle and would never act roughly around little kids, but lots of kids do. We always try and avoid the rough kids, if possible (go get a lifeguard). ..but it seems like these were younger kids to begin with and are within their right to play in the kids water area. My son will be 6 on our summer trip, and we plan on playing in the kids area with his 2 year old sister.
A 48” 5-year-boy would be in the top half-percent for height at that age - so it sounds like your kindergarten class should put together a basketball team!
 


We will have to agree to disagree. definitely don't condone yelling at children, and yes he could have chosen his words much better, but I feel it is the right thing to do to speak up when you see unsafe behavior that could result in injury to another child. I cannot just keep my mouth shut and let a kid get hurt. I have never once seen a staff member at Disney actually handle one of these situations. They just don't intervene, and I cannot stand by.

I think it depends on the words. I don't necessarily have an issue with saying "something". But to say you are done here, repeatedly, that sounds way too fatherly to say to someone else's kid and to me crosses that line of overstepping a stranger's role in reprimanding someone else's child.
 
I think it depends on the words. I don't necessarily have an issue with saying "something". But to say you are done here, repeatedly, that sounds way too fatherly to say to someone else's kid and to me crosses that line of overstepping a stranger's role in reprimanding someone else's child.
As I said, I don't agree with the choice of words. I would have told them they needed to either cut the rough stuff or find somewhere else to do it. If that doesn't work I am asking who their adult in charge is. No adult in charge or an adult who won't control them and its time to get a lifeguard, that won't work so next step will be management and/or security.
 
A 48” 5-year-boy would be in the top half-percent for height at that age - so it sounds like your kindergarten class should put together a basketball team!
Yes! In Kinder mine was barely 40". She was just over 44" at 7. She cleared the 48" bar the trip she was 9. I remember because of Disney!
 


As I said, I don't agree with the choice of words. I would have told them they needed to either cut the rough stuff or find somewhere else to do it. If that doesn't work I am asking who their adult in charge is. No adult in charge or an adult who won't control them and its time to get a lifeguard, that won't work so next step will be management and/or security.
Exactly. I'd have pointed out that this area had a lot of little kids around and that they were going to get someone hurt. I tend to be with my kids most of the time when we're outside the house, but if my kids were acting unsafe or being rude to other people, I would be happy to have someone else tell them to get their act together.
 
A 48” 5-year-boy would be in the top half-percent for height at that age - so it sounds like your kindergarten class should put together a basketball team!
I have no idea where you are getting that info from. My son is 5 (will be 6 in 2 months), and has hovered around the 70% since birth (so a little above average). Heights can vary widely at that age.
 
..and other kids reach 40" before they are 3 (I see it all the time posted on the Dis). It isn't really fair that your 9 year old can play on kids playground, but my 5 year old couldn't.
True, but they have to draw a line somewhere, and age is not a practical one. It definitely stinks for kids who are big for their age.

The point we the other poster was trying to make was that your 5 year old is definitely not the norm, but the top 0.5% of kids, so 1 in every 200 kids would be that tall at 5. That's a fair bit outside of standard height for a 5 year old.
 
I have no idea where you are getting that info from. My son is 5 (will be 6 in 2 months), and has hovered around the 70% since birth (so a little above average). Heights can vary widely at that age.
Those statistics are readily available and have been around for years: the growth chart is linked below at the CDC site since that source seems most reputable. You can see that at 5 years old, the 90th percentile for height is just under 47 inches; even at 6, a 48" boy would be in the 75th percentile. So a class full of 48" 5-year-olds would be quite an outlier!

https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41c071.pdf
 
Someone else posted earlier (sorry not sure exactly who) saying they had been a coach and would say something to encourage their good behavior which sounded right on.

I’ve never coached but raising two kids and dealing with them and their friends I’m comfortable talking to other kids. That doesn’t mean yelling, threatening, disciplining etc it means explaining or encouraging when it’s appropriate, like if they’re rough housing around little kids and their parents aren’t around.

I can understand some people not being comfortable speaking up but - without getting into the details of this specific situation - I don’t think we should be afraid of the consequences of simply encouraging good behavior.
 
Those statistics are readily available and have been around for years: the growth chart is linked below at the CDC site since that source seems most reputable. You can see that at 5 years old, the 90th percentile for height is just under 47 inches; even at 6, a 48" boy would be in the 75th percentile. So a class full of 48" 5-year-olds would be quite an outlier!

https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41c071.pdf
I am not lying about how tall my son's class is jeez (a lot of kids are taller than my son, but some are much shorter.. I also never said the entire class was 48")! Kindergartners are 5-6 years old and heights can vary widely at that age. The CDC stat's are based on their birthdate as well. My son was in the 70% when he turned 5 and has grown at least 4 inches this year .. he is still 5.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/276954-normal-height-weight-for-a-school-age-child/
 
True, but they have to draw a line somewhere, and age is not a practical one. It definitely stinks for kids who are big for their age.

The point we the other poster was trying to make was that your 5 year old is definitely not the norm, but the top 0.5% of kids, so 1 in every 200 kids would be that tall at 5. That's a fair bit outside of standard height for a 5 year old.
True, but they have to draw a line somewhere, and age is not a practical one. It definitely stinks for kids who are big for their age.

The point we the other poster was trying to make was that your 5 year old is definitely not the norm, but the top 0.5% of kids, so 1 in every 200 kids would be that tall at 5. That's a fair bit outside of standard height for a 5 year old.
So this is my son’s class Holiday performance (he is the Orange Care Bear in front). He is pretty average in height as you can see compared to his class. He is tall enough for most of the rides at Disney, but won’t ride them because he still prefers Small World and slow rides. He also doesn’t know how to swim so we are sticking to the kiddie pool this year (and will call a lifeguard should there be trouble) 🤣
 

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I looked up my daughter's growth chart. Average height at 5th birthday is 40.5 inches, on average 48" hits just a month or two after a 7th birthday.

My daughter was 48" at her 5yo check up, at 99.71%. I'm sure the height is more of a suggestion, and an opportunity to draw a line. I'm sure my 3yo and 8yo today would not be asked to leave. The family you mentioned was more suited for a regular pool, but that probably would have caused the mom to pay more attention (deeper water) which probably wasn't in the moms plan, sadly.

It was 100000% wrong to address these kids directly in a negative manner. While goodwill is nice, worry about your child. Remove her, tell a lifeguard, and then go from there. Visit another pool or do something else for a bit -it's life, it happens. The way the situation played out caused more of an impact than an easy adjustment could have happened.
 
I had an unfortunate expirence at the Disney resort pool this afternoon. I'm curious if anyone else has expierenced something similar and/ or knows what Disney's policy on the matter is.

I have a 2 year old daughter who was having a great time In the splash pad at the Riviera resort. This area is indicated to be reserved for children 48 inches and under. There is no dedicated lifeguard on duty. 99% of the kids are supervised and playing safely.

We had been enjoying the area for around 2 hours, with no issue and many great interactions with other guests. At this point, 3 boys enter the area. 2 appear be over 48 inches. The other is borderline. I had no issue with this until they started behaving in an unsafe manner. Running at full speed, jumping around/over my daughter, sitting in the slide exit, climbing UP the slide, riding the slide 3 at a time and stopping themselves IN the tube slide and sitting there for minutes on end.

Their cousin was making a small effort to control their behavior but quickly gave up. It appeared they had long tuned her out. My wife gently asked them to behave at least once. Eventually, my daughter climbed the stairs to go down the tube slide (having seen no one enter recently). She almost ended up sliding down while the 3 boys were still inside. ( Because they had purposely gotten themselves stuck in there again). Luckily I stopped her before going down, but there was definitely a risk there. Maybe I have an over protective outlook, but I can imagine all types of issues in that scenario.

At this point, I told the boys "either your done here, or I'm going to have to get the life guard". Unsurprisingly, I was ignored. I raised my voice and repeated myself. This time they knew I meant business. They high tailed it out of there, and I figured they opted to learn a valuable lesson instead of being embarrassed by a life guard.

Sadly, I was sorely mistaken. About 10 minutes later, an angry mother comes along with a very Junior life guard and her smallest boy. (Lord knows what story the boy concocted for her benefit). She asked me why I had "threatened" her son. I explained the situation. In my mind, I gave the boys an option. I didn't threaten them. In any case, obviously the mom and I had it out, but that's not why I'm posting. I was most surprised by the life gaurd's response. He said, "come get a life guard. Don't do anything." I responded, "even if I believe the behavior is unsafe? There was no lifeguard around, surely I need to act in that situation." From there he kept repeating the same line about getting a lifeguard. And even asked if I knew CPR, as if that would be a requirement to be involved in pool safety. My wife declined to speak with a manager. I was getting no where.

Can this possibly be the company policy? Surely there are many scenarios where a guest needs to discipline other kids? If this is in fact the actual policy, unsupervised pool areas seem like a bad idea.

Maybe this is a cultural shift, but I remember when I was young. Adults were considered authority figures. Is the best answer to alert lifeguards to kids over 48 inches as soon as they enter a height restricted area? Obviously, larger kids pose a much bigger risk to my daughter than smaller. But kids would be given No benefit of the doubt.

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Link to a photo of the splash pad for folks who haven't seen it.

Yes times have changed. You can't yell at other people's kids outside of a moment of danger and even then be ready for whatever anger the parent will unleash on you.

Imho there were 4 options of how yelling at the kids could have played out:
-kids didn't tell parents
-parent/s didn't care
-parent/s came at you screaming
-parent/s came at you swinging

The lifeguard was trying to prevent the last thing. We've seen cast members punched over something as trivial as a FP no longer being valid. A parent who has decided you threatened their kid? Oof! That could have gotten very bad, very fast.
 
I think it depends on the words. I don't necessarily have an issue with saying "something". But to say you are done here, repeatedly, that sounds way too fatherly to say to someone else's kid and to me crosses that line of overstepping a stranger's role in reprimanding someone else's child.
I wouldn't consider twice to be considered repeatedly.

And in the apparent physical absence of any parent, what's wrong with sounding fatherly?
 
Disney's policy is generally take the path of least resistance...unfortunate at times.

Yeah. I think sometimes "keeping the customers happy" gets in the way of actually doing the right thing - for Disney and other businesses. I think the lifeguard here was unfortunately in a tough spot between trying to enforce the rules and trying to prevent an altercation.
 
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