Immanuel Kant and wearing masks in public.

[sam_gordon]

I figured you're not, since you also don't wear masks unless someone directly says "consider the others around you."

I also go over the speed limit unless there's a cop around.

If you want to wear your mask 24/7 (or any part there of), go ahead. If I'm at a place that doesn't require it, I'm not going to wear it.

 

[skyblue17]

I also go over the speed limit unless there's a cop around.

If you want to wear your mask 24/7 (or any part there of), go ahead. If I'm at a place that doesn't require it, I'm not going to wear it.

I don't want to. And I don't, since I don't leave the house very often. However, I do wear it when I go out, because only wearing it when people ask me to specifically defeats the purpose. I'm not wearing it for ME, I'm wearing it for other people, so choosing to only wear it some of the time says "I only care about the other people if someone makes me."

 

[oceanview2020]

So when she got in line behind them, without a mask on, they should just stand there and let her breath near them, even though everyone else is wearing a mask? Do you think politely saying "hey, where's your mask, do you mind putting it on?" would have gotten anywhere with someone blatantly disregarding the rules to begin with?

Clearly, you see this differently because you live somewhere where masks aren't all required. NO ONE wants to have to wear a mask every time they go outside. We are doing it because that is what is being asked of us, for the better of our community. It IS frustrating when people decide that rule does not apply to them.

Is the store not doing the whole six feet apart thing? Here there are marks on the floor and that is where you stand. Of she was 6 ft back, I would have turned like the pp said. If I felt the need to do anything, it would be speak to someone that works for the store.


We are required to wear them inside any business. I just don’t go inside. It’s not a matter of WANTING or not wanting to wear the thing. I just don’t want to fall out in Walmart.

I do get that it is frustrating but that does not make it ok. People not following the rules of the drive thru at some take out places is frustrating but I am not going to get out of my car and start yelling at them. Lots of things are frustrating because people don’t do what they are supposed to but that doesn’t make acting like that ok.

And it’s unlikely that this lady had a medical reason but what if the next person that gets ganged up on does? Having asthma or sever claustrophobia takes the “want to” out of the equation. Would you still think it’s ok?

 

[oceanview2020]

I don't want to. And I don't, since I don't leave the house very often. However, I do wear it when I go out, because only wearing it when people ask me to specifically defeats the purpose. I'm not wearing it for ME, I'm wearing it for other people, so choosing to only wear it some of the time says "I only care about the other people if someone makes me."

And this right here is why the argument continues. You wearing a mask all the time and the pp only doing so when required does not make one of you morally superior. He is following whatever guidelines are set forth where he lives and so are you.

 

[georgina]

Sigh..dropped of my car last night for a required state inspection. It was after hours, so I dropped the keys in the key drop. Went to pick it up today. Masks ARE required in my county. I was the only person wearing one. Shop owner and another worker behind the desk, customer sitting waiting for her car, customer standing waiting for his car, nope, no masks. I will be looking for a new mechanic, we have been going to this guy for 25 years, but I am very displeased with the lack of concern for my health and the required measures.

 

[skyblue17]

And this right here is why the argument continues. You wearing a mask all the time and the pp only doing so when required does not make one of you morally superior. He is following whatever guidelines are set forth where he lives and so are you.

But what is the point of wearing it at ALL if you don't wear it all the time? It's kind of like, why are we all staying in our houses for weeks on end if some people are going to blow it all on one holiday weekend at the crowded beach and then come back to town and not wear masks at places they aren't required? It's frustrating to be invested in doing what needs to be done and have people who simply don't care enough to do it. I don't think I am morally superior, but I do have some hope that people don't always need to be told to do what's right and can just figure it out on their own.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

For people concerned we’ll have to wear masks forever once we start, these are pictures from 1918. 100 years passed between then and when we had to start wearing masks again. It didn’t become a permanent part of life after the last pandemic and it won’t this time either. We’ll get back to normal, it’s just going to take some time.

 

[oceanview2020]

But what is the point of wearing it at ALL if you don't wear it all the time? It's kind of like, why are we all staying in our houses for weeks on end if some people are going to blow it all on one holiday weekend at the crowded beach and then come back to town and not wear masks at places they aren't required? It's frustrating to be invested in doing what needs to be done and have people who simply don't care enough to do it. I don't think I am morally superior, but I do have some hope that people don't always need to be told to do what's right and can just figure it out on their own.

Well, the whole layout of where you live and where I live is completely different. I get in my car and I drive to the grocery store (or Lowe’s or whatever). No need to wear it in the car, only me in the thing or maybe dh but we live together. I get to the store, park and walk to the door. I can either put the mask on before I get out or when I get to the store. It isn’t really necessary in the parking lot since I can easily stay away from everyone.

I don’t walk down a sidewalk or to another business. I would finish shopping g and leave. Removing the mask when I leave.

OR I can drive south and go to another town where it’s not required at all, in any business.

( in reality I don’t do either. I do curbside pick up).

When I walk out of my house, I go in my yard and get in my car. It’s 10 miles before I could possibly interact to anyone. Just no logical reason to put on a mask.

It’s just not a matter of not caring. It is a matter of no necessity.

 

[skyblue17]

Well, the whole layout of where you live and where I live is completely different. I get in my car and I drive to the grocery store (or Lowe’s or whatever). No need to wear it in the car, only me in the thing or maybe dh but we live together. I get to the store, park and walk to the door. I can either put the mask on before I get out or when I get to the store. It isn’t really necessary in the parking lot since I can easily stay away from everyone.

I don’t walk down a sidewalk or to another business. I would finish shopping g and leave. Removing the mask when I leave.

OR I can drive south and go to another town where it’s not required at all, in any business.

( in reality I don’t do either. I do curbside pick up).

When I walk out of my house, I go in my yard and get in my car. It’s 10 miles before I could possibly interact to anyone. Just no logical reason to put on a mask.

It’s just not a matter of not caring. It is a matter of no necessity.

I guess how I'm missing that if some businesses are requiring it and others are not, what the point is if people are going to both businesses and only wearing it where it's required. It's defeating the purpose of wearing it at all if people are exposing others in places that don't require it. I'm wearing my mask for other people, so if that person is like "well, down the road I don't have to wear a mask, and I don't," why are any of us making the effort? Either wear it, or don't but at least recognize that when you opt not to wear it, you're negating the effort of others who are wearing it.

 

[LAB81018]

All I can think of now is the Monty Python philosopher's song.

Well, I was going to point out that Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable, but you beat me to it.

 

[BlondieinFL]

For people concerned we’ll have to wear masks forever once we start, these are pictures from 1918. 100 years passed between then and when we had to start wearing masks again. It didn’t become a permanent part of life after the last pandemic and it won’t this time either. We’ll get back to normal, it’s just going to take some time.

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But, were they wearing them for the same reason we're being told to today - to prevent "asymptomatic spread"? Did they know about asymptomatic spread back then? My concern is that this reasoning for wearing masks will never be gone - people can always be carrying some virus asymptomatically and thus be a potential risk to others. A flu "vaccine" does not provide anywhere near 100% immunity, and people still die from the flu, even if they've been vaccinated. There's also no vaccine for any other Coronavirus. So, if people feel they must mask to protect others - that will never go away (IMO).

 

[TipsyTraveler]

But, were they wearing them for the same reason we're being told to today - to prevent "asymptomatic spread"? Did they know about asymptomatic spread back then? My concern is that this reasoning for wearing masks will never be gone - people can always be carrying some virus asymptomatically and thus be a potential risk to others. A flu "vaccine" does not provide anywhere near 100% immunity, and people still die from the flu, even if they've been vaccinated. There's also no vaccine for any other Coronavirus. So, if people feel they must mask to protect others - that will never go away (IMO).

People have long known they could be pre-symptomatically spreading viruses yet no one felt the need to wear masks to protect other people prior to Covid-19. People are responding differently to this one because it’s new and scary and there is no known treatment, cure, or vaccine. Once we know more and get a better handle on it, things will relax and mask-use will no longer be as commonplace. You think too highly of people if you think they’ll continue to inconvenience themselves long term for the good of others.

 

[oceanview2020]

I guess how I'm missing that if some businesses are requiring it and others are not, what the point is if people are going to both businesses and only wearing it where it's required. It's defeating the purpose of wearing it at all if people are exposing others in places that don't require it. I'm wearing my mask for other people, so if that person is like "well, down the road I don't have to wear a mask, and I don't," why are any of us making the effort? Either wear it, or don't but at least recognize that when you opt not to wear it, you're negating the effort of others who are wearing it.

No you misunderstand. The town I live in or close to is requiring everyone to wear one while inside any business. Other towns (one of which is south of me) isn’t requiring them at all. It isn’t the businesses it’s the mayors. I wouldn’t leave the store in one town and go to the other. They aren’t that close. I would just either plan to wear a mask or go south and not wear one.

Thought I would add, unless they have changed it, the businesses in the town that is requiring masks, post an employee or two at the door and they make sure everyone e enters with a mask on

 

[Deb & Bill]

Before Covid, masks (procedure masks, surgical mask) were never worn to protect the wearer, only to protect the others from the wearer. Now we just keep hearing about how good these things protect the wearer. I'm not buying it. If you want to be protected, you wear a respirator or PAPR. If you think you are asymptomatic, get tested to find out. Otherwise, just socially distance yourself from others. If you are outside in the sun and wind, you shouldn't need to wear any protection on your face.

 

[sam_gordon]

Before Covid, masks (procedure masks, surgical mask) were never worn to protect the wearer, only to protect the others from the wearer. Now we just keep hearing about how good these things protect the wearer. I'm not buying it. If you want to be protected, you wear a respirator or PAPR. If you think you are asymptomatic, get tested to find out. Otherwise, just socially distance yourself from others. If you are outside in the sun and wind, you shouldn't need to wear any protection on your face.

If all you're hearing is masks protect the wearer, you're not listening to much. It's been said for a while that the mask protects others FROM the wearer. The thought is a carrier (whether asymptomatic or not) can't "shed" the virus through the mask (supposedly the mask catches the droplets).

ETA: If you think about it, then it protects the wearer also. If the virus can't get through the mask going "out", how does it get through the mask going "in"?

 

[Jennasis]

I'm sure 50 years from now they'll be laughing at us and comparing our "masks/handwashing/social distancing" to the "duck-and-cover" craze of the 1950's. However, this is what we have right now, so I'm going to go with it.

My mask is on, my hands are chapped from washing and please stay the heck away.

 

[Pooh2]

ETA: If you think about it, then it protects the wearer also. If the virus can't get through the mask going "out", how does it get through the mask going "in"?

All these homemade masks are pixiedusted!

 

[BearFamily]

Before Covid, masks (procedure masks, surgical mask) were never worn to protect the wearer, only to protect the others from the wearer. Now we just keep hearing about how good these things protect the wearer. I'm not buying it. If you want to be protected, you wear a respirator or PAPR. If you think you are asymptomatic, get tested to find out. Otherwise, just socially distance yourself from others. If you are outside in the sun and wind, you shouldn't need to wear any protection on your face.

That is simply not true. Immunocompromised people have worn masks at doctors’ instructions for a long time. A family member of mine was directed to wear one (if she had to go out in public) while on chemo for a blood cancer back in the early 90’s. This was common practice in that oncology ward, and to protect THEM from the germs of other people.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Essentially, to be a good person, we must act in a way that we would prefer everyone else, in our position, would have to act.

Boy, this opens up a whole can of worms, though. Because I might believe everyone should act in a way that 90% of the rest of the population thinks is abhorrent. That for sure doesn't make me a good person.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't know. If the policy of the store is that a mask is mandatory, and someone is not wearing a mask, aren't they the person disregarding policy? I'm not sure that the people who ARE following the policy are in the wrong. Given her reaction in the video, I think she simply opted not to wear one.

I can see the "I can't medically wear a mask" going the way of service animals very quickly. I feel badly for those that are genuinely stuck between a rock and a hard place with this, but there are definitely people going this route to prove they can't be FORCED to wear a mask. Meanwhile, if I showed up at a store and said "I have shingles, wearing a shirt is extremely painful for me right now," they probably still wouldn't let me in.

I think generally (though I'm not going to go looking through a bunch of stores) had allowed for the exemption for medical. Certainly I understand the concern over abuse on that. I do know Disney Springs has said if you are unable to wear a mask for medical reasons you should not patronize Disney Springs in the first phase BUT if you're talking about a grocery store that's a lot different than a shopping district. The hard part is automatically assuming someone not wearing a mask is doing so for this or that reason never actually giving actual credence towards medical reasons (it's like that doesn't legit exist based on at least some people's comments elsewhere). I do get the same vibe from this woman that you did though.

But I do agree with the PP. In terms of enforcing it--that's on the business. If a customer feels uncomfortable go speak with an employee and let them handle it. Plus you don't really know how a person would react. At least with an employee assumedly they have a process in place for de-escalation. I don't really like the analogy drawn with no shirt no shoes no service for a couple of reasons but if one was going to use it if confronted with someone not abiding by those rules it would probably be seen as a bit strange to go on and gang up (even if one believes there's a greater good in that) and effectively push someone out of a store for no shirt or shoes. I think most of us IF it bothered us that much would go tell an employee.