Immanuel Kant and wearing masks in public.

[pahoben]

Nope - If you are currently refusing to wear a mask when you're in public you're ignorant. The other option is selfish.

Saying that for every scientific study or report, there is one that states the opposite is hyperbole at best.

You can say scientists are fallible, you can say scientists may be biased, but until you can provide proof that either of those is the case in this instance, that opinion is moot.

Here you go-
“Efficacy of face masks
CORONAVIRUS SCIENCE AND NEWS
One study, published April 6 in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, found that they did not. That study, led by South Korean researchers, involved asking four patients with COVID-19 to cough into a petri dish 7.8 inches (20 centimeters) away. The patients coughed without masks, while wearing a disposable surgical mask and again wearing a 100% cotton mask. Neither mask meaningfully reduced viral load in the Petri dishes.”

 

[pahoben]

Have either of those entities stated recently that we shouldn't wear masks? (In reference to your "flipping a coin" statement.) While this virus may be extremely similar to SARS, it is also obviously extremely different. I don't remember SARS killing 100,000 people in this country.

I am not sure about recent statements from the CDC. I can’t keep up with their current position. I made no claim about how many people died from SARS but it was clear that a SARS-like variant could easily kill 100,000.

 

[DeniseJH]

You win. Stating something as fact makes it a fact.

Facts:
Covid 19 won't kill 99.98% of the people that it infects. It won't infect everyone. The flu kills 80,000 people per year in the USA, even with a vaccine and treatment. Do you wear a mask when the flu is going around? If not, why?

Not here to argue. Just don't appreciate being called "ignorant" if I prefer to not wear masks for something I perceive as a low threat to me personally, based on evidence I have at hand. Maybe you live in an area where the risk is great. I don't. Peace out. I wear a mask where REQUIRED, but the moment I can, it comes off, like 99% of people I've witnessed. My office requires it in the lobby, but nowhere else. Disney Springs requires them, but I saw people take them off the INSTANT they walked past security on the way out. Me included.

The flu killed 56,000 people last year.

You proved your ignorance by stating that you don't/won't wear a mask because of the low risk TO YOU. Masks are worn so that we don't infect others.

 

[DeniseJH]

I am not sure about recent statements from the CDC. I can’t keep up with their current position. I made no claim about how many people died from SARS but it was clear that a SARS-like variants could easily kill 100,000.

Then you can't back up your statements - that makes them meaningless.

 

[DeniseJH]

Here you go-
“Efficacy of face masks
CORONAVIRUS SCIENCE AND NEWS
One study, published April 6 in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, found that they did not. That study, led by South Korean researchers, involved asking four patients with COVID-19 to cough into a petri dish 7.8 inches (20 centimeters) away. The patients coughed without masks, while wearing a disposable surgical mask and again wearing a 100% cotton mask. Neither mask meaningfully reduced viral load in the Petri dishes.”

This study involved 4 patients, and the summary includes that further study is needed to come to a definite conclusion.


If you'll read what I referenced earlier in this thread you'll see that when discovered that this virus spreads asymptomatically the CDC reversed their thinking on the wearing of masks. I'd like to show me when they've reversed that decision. Since their word, and the word of my own Dr. are what I'm going to go by, you'll have to forgive me for not giving this study very much credit.

 

[pahoben]

That was as of April - if you'll read what I referenced earlier in this thread you'll see that when discovered that this virus spreads asymptomatically the CDC reversed their thinking on the wearing of masks.

Uhm...if the masks didn’t stop transmission of this virus in April then they won’t in May, June, July or at any time in the future. I understand you have strong beliefs about masks but there is quite a lot of data that shows masks not to be effective. You can choose to ignore that data and that is fine with me.

 

[DeniseJH]

Uhm...if the masks didn’t stop transmission of this virus in April then they won’t in May, June, July or at any time in the future. I understand you have strong beliefs about masks but there is quite a lot of data that shows masks not to be effective. You can choose to ignore that data and that is fine with me.

OMG, did you seriously think that's what I meant? I was referencing what I thought was the study the CDC had previously based their mask recommendation on - when I realized this would have been much further back in time I edited my response.

 

[pahoben]

OMG, did you seriously think that's what I meant? I was referencing what I thought was the study the CDC had previously based their mask recommendation on - when I realized this would have been much further back in time I edited my response.

No problem and hope you come through this with no problems and statistically you almost certainly will.

 

[DeniseJH]

No problem and hope you come through this with no problems and statistically you almost certainly will.

Again, we wear masks to help protect others not ourselves.

 

[JOLT]

Should masks be worn by people recovered from covid 19 that have tested positive for antibodies? There has been data to prove your body produces neutralizing antibodies.

 

[Erica Ladd]

Since I don't know how to insert an article as you have - there's that pesky lack of education showing again - I'll just say: Google is your friend. CDC does say that studies show masks help prevent spread .

Google Drive has deleted Things off of people’s personal accounts that don’t comply with their ideology. Who says they are your friend? Whatever happened to their Do No Evil motto???

 

[DeniseJH]

Google Drive has deleted Things off of people’s personal accounts that don’t comply with their ideology. Who says they are your friend? Whatever happened to their Do No Evil motto???

A. It's a figure of speech.
B. Could you provide proof of that?

 

[DeniseJH]

Should masks be worn by people recovered from covid 19 that have tested positive for antibodies? There has been data to prove your body produces neutralizing antibodies.

There is no conclusive proof that having antibodies = immunity at this point, so yes - they should wear a mask.

 

[VandVsmama]

A. It's a figure of speech.
B. Could you provide proof of that?

Re: B - Google is your friend, so I'm sure you can look it up.

 

[Boardwalkbrats]

"Masks don't do anything at all" may be an opinion, but it is also simply not true. There are studies that prove this. How could anyone be so ignorant to believe otherwise? Do they believe science is a lie? That they know more than the scientists? Truly boggles the mind, and proves that this country needs to put some serious emphasis on improving it's education system.

Please pin your multitude of studies, I am a doctor and know that masks (depending on the mask) can have some benefit to the wearer. There are many factors which influence the effectivenes. However I wear a mask to do surgery not to protect me but to keep foreign bodies and contaminates out of surgical site. The idea that we should mandate or force someone to wear a mask is silly in my opinion. I had someone come into my office with a crocheted mask on just the other day, stylish But not effective.
As for your thoughts on science, it is and should always be a robust debate. Not telling one side or the other to shut up and concede. Many issues which were once overwhelmingly thought to be decided science were in fact later proven to be very different. If we don’t have a questioning mind and allow ourselves to debate we are doomed to be sheep that can be fed anything in the name of science. Remember scientist are people with their own biases and agendas, not infallible.

 

[JOLT]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...WAb5uFHDdO8ZVc7FiKmkC4_4bHZwXuW9oUrpBLM9ep76I
with 5.9mil+ confirmed covid 19 cases don't you think we would have heard of reinfections if you did not get immunity? There was the South korea article that has been debunked.

 

[DeniseJH]

Re: B - Google is your friend, so I'm sure you can look it up.

Cute, but I'm not going to do their work for them - I came back later when I had the time and added quotes to back up mine.

 

[Erica Ladd]

A. It's a figure of speech.
B. Could you provide proof of that?

A. That’s a pretty big ‘figure of speech’. Maybe more a matter of your opinion?

B. WaPo
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/google-drive-takes-down-personal-copy-plandemic
ETA please don’t get me banned. You asked. I’m just not necessarily a big Kant supporter

 

[DeniseJH]

Please pin your multitude of studies, I am a doctor and know that masks (depending on the mask) can have some benefit to the wearer. There are many factors which influence the effectivenes. However I wear a mask to do surgery not to protect me but to keep foreign bodies and contaminates out of surgical site. The idea that we should mandate or force someone to wear a mask is silly in my opinion. I had someone come into my office with a crocheted mask on just the other day, stylish But not effective.
As for your thoughts on science, it is and should always be a robust debate. Not telling one side or the other to shut up and concede. Many issues which were once overwhelmingly thought to be decided science were in fact later proven to be very different. If we don’t have a questioning mind and allow ourselves to debate we are doomed to be sheep that can be fed anything in the name of science. Remember scientist are people with their own biases and agendas, not infallible.

Good for you Doc! I am going to continue heeding the advice of the WHO, the CDC and my own personal Doctor. Also, I can't account for an idiot that thinks a crocheted mask counts!

I don't believe I've told anybody to shut up - just to prove their claims. A discussion is being had.
You know what they call the person that comes in last in their class in medical school?

 

[DeniseJH]

A. That’s a pretty big ‘figure of speech’. Maybe more a matter of your opinion?

B. WaPo
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/google-drive-takes-down-personal-copy-plandemic
ETA please don’t get me banned. You asked. I’m just not necessarily a big Kant supporter

the South korea article that has been debunked.
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You can't be serious?!? I'm not going to take any article seriously that references the "Main Stream Media". More likely than not just another conspiracy theory.