Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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The more and more media attention Florida gets for Covid cases rising and the shutting down of reopened bars in FL and similiar states going even further in the reshutdown, the more and more likely I think tonight we may get some bad news. 😕

You and I live here and think our local news is even more plastered with the recent news of cases. It's now getting more national attention based on what I am hearing/reading. I know in my case, we are enveloped with non-stop local effects and updates. This is where I try to post relative information for folks that are planning their trips to WDW so they are more informed.
 
So we are probably close then, I expected to see the normal rise, like from 5k to maybe 6k, but the doubling caught me off guard.....

As did the steady over 10% positivity rate.

I just don't think its a real fair assessment to say everyone shouldn't be shocked by a doubling....yeah we knew it was on the rise, but not like that.......YMMV

Doubling happens because there are more people that havent been exposed to the virus because the city and town that its affecting hadnt really gotten hit yet. If Florida, outside of Miami hadn’t really gotten hit, why is it so difficult to think that the rest of Florida wouldnt be safe?

We should find out soon whats going to happen with the parks. I bet they’ll reopen as planned because they’re too far along to hit the breaks. If it closes and opens up in August, great, I still get to make my trip, and I’ll still be there. But CMs are supposed to be back to work this weekend, and the Q3 Earnings call next week
 
Doubling happens because there are more people that havent been exposed to the virus because the city and town that its affecting hadnt really gotten hit yet. If Florida, outside of Miami hadn’t really gotten hit, why is it so difficult to think that the rest of Florida wouldnt be safe?

We should find out soon whats going to happen with the parks. I bet they’ll reopen as planned because they’re too far along to hit the breaks. If it closes and opens up in August, great, I still get to make my trip, and I’ll still be there. But CMs are supposed to be back to work this weekend, and the Q3 Earnings call next week

Perhaps, I just didn't see the doubling happening so fast, and I don't think you did either. Perhaps you did...

I don't think they should or will make any changes to their plans until another week of data, if any. Will be interesting to watch.
 
I feel like to announce tonight that they're delaying the reopening would just seem like a knee-jerk reaction... We still have time to watch the data, and I still feel like Disney will really be enforcing their safety policies which is the thing that's unsafe in the rest of the state. Still, I'm going to be a nervous wreck, probably for the whole 29 days until my trip.
People have flights, car rentals, busses, etc paid for and need time to get refunds if they aren't going to open on schedule. They've requested time off of work. The last thing Disney needs now is for a SECOND time to cancel at the last minute with little to no warning to guests after theyve already arrived to Florida for their trips. It would look better for them to give plenty of warning so people don't fly/drive down just to be turned away at the door to their resorts, and also with all the unrest in the country over various things and Florida now having almost double it's case load from yesterday people will be demanding WDW remain closed until cases are better under control.

But I've been wrong about lots of things so :confused3
 
With the CDC showing upwards of 23m have had the virus, about 40-60% don’t show symptoms, and only 2.3m confirmed positive tests. That’s up to 9.2m people who had symptoms but never went and got tested. There is a very real possibility that one of the drivers of higher positivity rates is more people who have symptoms actually getting tested now.

Even with the case positivity rate going up. This doesn’t necessarily mean the risk is going up. So far there have been no major spikes from the protests in any part of the country. There may be factors causing this to hide in the data, but the mask wearing in the protests was extremely high. Even with social distancing not really being a thing during the protests.

Disney is using data on the risks inside their parks based on their risk mitigation factors. That’s really what matters, can people be inside the parks knowing there are guests who are infectious but may not know it yet. Without causing major viral spread? Because if the measures are effective even given those realties, then opening with these measures is going to be fine. Regardless of what is happening in the rest of FL.
 
Don't do it! Don't jinx it! For 2020, we had countdowns for Mardi Gras, Jazzfest, a weekend trip to Atlanta, and Disney in December. Had to cancel all but the Disney one so far and I'm not even confident in it at this point.


My Disney countdown says 97 days since checking into the Poly. Spoiler alert: we never did.

Don’t make countdowns lol!
 
Perhaps, I just didn't see the doubling happening so fast, and I don't think you did either. Perhaps you did...

I don't think they should or will make any changes to their plans until another week of data, if any. Will be interesting to watch.

Did you just start paying attention to COVID news now that it affects Florida? I’m genuinely curious because every hotspot in the world has started almost the exact same way as Florida.
 
People have flights, car rentals, busses, etc paid for and need time to get refunds if they aren't going to open on schedule. They've requested time off of work. The last thing Disney needs now is for a SECOND time to cancel at the last minute with little to no warning to guests after theyve already arrived to Florida for their trips. It would look better for them to give plenty of warning so people don't fly/drive down just to be turned away at the door to their resorts, and also with all the unrest in the country over various things and Florida now having almost double it's case load from yesterday people will be demanding WDW remain closed until cases are better under control.
I mean, I get both sides of the coin. I also have flights and all that jazz. But I would feel pretty salty if they announced it super quickly, and then the data went down afterwards. Not saying that's rational. Just wishful thinking over here.
 
So, I assume "most" of us are coming from areas that are not as bad, yes? Then maybe Disney just needs to ban all the under 40 Floridians from entry? :duck:I kid, I kid!!

Seriously tho, I knew bars were a mistake, it's a recipe for disaster. The more you drink, the more you relax, forget your worries, looking for love in all the wrong places, etc, etc. On top of that some bars were not following the rules.
I am 🤞pixiedust: that in 2 weeks things look better...hopefully...maybe...:scared:
 
Actually, it would be very easy to make an argument that they can if the NBA is providing the bubble they are alleging. That has nothing to do with DVC resorts being safe for cast members or guests and is not mutually exclusive. The NBA has already advised that they're safety procedures are supposed to be well above those of regular guests. Also, the NBA is not staying at any DVC resorts and has absolutely no bearing on their operation. If DVCMC believes that the DVC resorts, cm and guests, are not safe, they can absolutely close them. A government order is not needed nor is it stated that way in the POS, anywhere! There are several places that give DVCMC to ability to close including the sections on Excusable Delays, which include strikes, riots, lock-outs, Acts of God, or any other reason outside of DVCMCs control. I'm also not sure the Governmental Order was in place when the resorts closed. I'll check that.

March 9th florida is when florida issued its first state of emergency which was used to close dvc.


There was a reason DVC resorts opened up almost a month before parks. There is also a reason why they are the ONLY hotels initially opening. They HAD NO choice or otherwise they simply would not have opened them. There are timeshare laws in Florida that Disney must also obey. Disney is taking advantage of that now by putting regular guests in these resorts.

We can agree to disagree all day and night.

DVC is staying open as long as NBA is on property.
 
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Did you just start paying attention to COVID news now that it affects Florida? I’m genuinely curious because every hotspot in the world has started almost the exact same way as Florida.

No.

Again I haven't seen anyone predict the doubling today....but maybe no one is paying attention?
 
There was a reason DVC resorts opened up almost a month before parks. There is also a reason why they are the ONLY hotels initially opening. They HAD NO choice or otherwise they simply would not have opened them. There are timeshare laws in Florida that Disney must also obey. Disney is taking advantage of that now by putting regular guests in these resorts.

We can agree to disagree all day and night.

DVC is staying open as long as NBA is on property.
Yes, there is a reason, and it had nothing to do with the 721. We are in the middle of pandemic, all resorts can easily be closed due to safety issues if someone wanted to argue that; in fact many are. There is nothing in 721 that says the DVC resorts needed to open until it's safe. Some feel it is and some don't feel it's safe.
 
Today I posted that guest services told us we would be able to buy tickets 6/28. In talking to my husband it seems she may have slipped up when she said that, she then said “some time this summer.”

He left out that part while telling me what she was saying even though I was sitting right next to him. Not happy with him!!! I am SO sorry for getting hopes up. Back to not knowing when tickets go on sale and sad we lost our tickets without any idea if/when we can repurchase.

Sorry again I know how on edge everyone is already :(

What cocktail did you order him to make you this time?
 
Yes, there is a reason, and it had nothing to do with the 721. We are in the middle of pandemic, all resorts can easily be closed due to safety issues if someone wanted to argue that; in fact many are. There is nothing in 721 that says the DVC resorts needed to open until it's safe. Some feel it is and some don't feel it's safe.
March 9th state of emergency issued and used to close down DVC
 
FP+ and ADR’s are much different than this situation. If they delay the opening, this is now the 3rd time that Disney has basically invited their guests down, and then said “Nope, Nevermind. Hope you can get your money back for those flights”. Sure, things have gotten worse since Monday, but wasnt that obvious because of what was happening last week? They weren’t going to go from 5 cases to 5,000 overnight. Its a gradual increase. Even if the numbers are intense to look at, if you were paying attention, you knew it was coming.

A Hurricane for instance. Let’s say the meteorologists say a Hurricane has its sights set on Florida and should touch down next week. People dont ignore that for the next week and then act surprised when you’re told to seek cover the day the Hurricane is about to hit. Some do. But those are the same people that I’m talking about that saw the increases last week and expected different results this week
This is the last I'll say about this. You may have been paying close attention (and I'm sure Disney has been too), but the vast majority of people weren't. Disney has always been cautious and very, very mindful of public perception (even when that upsets some fans). When you ask any Disney executive, "What do you think is your company's most valuable asset?," every one will always answer their brand. The brand "Disney" means something to many people and the company goes to great lengths to protect it and its integrity. That sometimes means upsetting people, reversing plans already in motion, and turning down money-making opportunities. Just look at all of the contracts they had to buy themselves out of to get Marvel characters off slot machines and other "vice" items. But that brand integrity is one of the reasons that the majority of the general public routinely rate Disney very high in favorability. The way the company sees it: their caution may lead to short-term losses but long-term (more valuable) gains. While there is certainly an argument to be made that WDW management has lost sight of some of that long-term thinking strategy, I do genuinely believe that the importance of brand integrity remains front-and-center in the minds of TWDC leaders.

I can tell you that there was Leadership (at relatively high levels) within WDW that were moving full speed ahead for an early June reopening (remember they had booked people with those packages), but ultimately, word came down likely from Burbank that that wasn't happening anymore. The decisions and work of thousands of people can be undone by the decision of one or two people in Burbank. That's just how the modern Walt Disney Company works, especially during these uncertain times. My *guess* is they're trying to wait it out to see where this goes and where public perception goes (which became a lot harder with the DL news), and then they'll make a decision. Just because they're proceeding with park reservations as planned doesn't mean top executives are certain they're opening on 7/11. To build on your hurricane example, even after a named storm is forecasted for Florida, they still take bookings, allow dated park ticket purchases, take FP+s and in-park dining reservations. They wait until they're absolutely certain that it will be a threat to safety to announce any park closures. That doesn't mean that they weren't monitoring the situation and considering it beforehand; they just wait until they know for almost certain that it won't be a good idea to be open those days. Again, I'm not saying they're not reopening on 7/11, just that anything is possible and we can't draw any extent of certainty away from anything until they're actually open.

I really do think Disney has a lot of measures put into place so they could remain open through a 2nd (3rd, continuous, whatever) wave.

Whether they expected it to explode like this before they opened, who knows, but I think they may be more prepared than we know for numbers to explode at some point.
I firmly believe that this is a PR problem -- not a public health one -- for Disney. As I've said, I'll be there 7/11 if they're open. I actually believe WDW will be amongst the safest places in Florida (face masks required and enforced, ridiculously frequent sanitation, capacity limits that ensure social distancing, etc...), but there will be a ridiculous amount of attention and pressure on Disney. If someone goes as far as to cough on WDW property, it'll get attention. Disney has always been very cautious, and if they feel like the public pressure continues to grow against them, they may feel like they have to postpone. Likewise, if they feel that pressure is withering away next week, they'll go forward with the reopening. And again, I want WDW to reopen as much as everyone else here. Like I said, I'll be there, and I have many CM friends who would be devastated to be told the closure has been extended. I'm not trying to be an alarmist; I'm trying to be realistic about how these decisions are made. The biggest hope now is that more FL counties get serious about masks and social distancing, enforce it, more people comply, and cases start to trend in a better direction.
 
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