CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[RamblingMad]

Sadly that is nothing new. That's why things have to be so strict for everyone because too many people are idiots. preCOVID I had a flu positive patient leave on a Disney cruise the day after her diagnosis even after I told her not to, that she would infect the ship and that I'd write the letter for her travel insurance. I didn't have any sympathy for her when she took longer to heal, got a secondary infection. Though I did have sympathy for the innocent people she certainly infected.

I caught the flu on a Disney Cruise. I think, if I go back on a Disney Cruise during flu season, I'll opt to wear a mask. Social distancing on the cruise is tough.

 

[Jonfw2]

Disneyland may allow fully vaccinated out of state guests to go to the parks.

 

[DLgal]

Disneyland may allow fully vaccinated out of state guests to go to the parks.

They have not said this. People are speculating because the guidelines have changed. I very much doubt Disney will go this route. More likely just wait until June 15 when it won't matter.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

They have not said this. People are speculating because the guidelines have changed. I very much doubt Disney will go this route. More likely just wait until June 15 when it won't matter.

And to take it further, CDPH said they will clarify what the updated guidelines actually mean for theme parks. There is still a chance it doesn't include them, despite some theme parks already running with it. Hopefully there are some concrete answers tomorrow.

 

[Pyotr]

I’m fully vaccinated as of today (two weeks after second shot)! What am I going to do?

I’m going to Disney World!

For like an hour or two......

 

[snappy]

I’m fully vaccinated as of today (two weeks after second shot)! What am I going to do?

I’m going to Disney World!

For like an hour or two.....

We are thinking about actually going to eat inside in our favorite restaurant for lunch today. Brave new world.

 

[mrs. magoo]

I'm not sure it would play out that way. Tell people that fully vaccinated means no masks and you'll likely get a ton of people who were against the vaccine yesterday telling people that they don't need to wear a mask today because they're fully vaccinated. They wouldn't have to change their actions, just their words, and I think a lot more would do that than would actually go out and get vaccinated over an approach that would take them at their word.

This is absolutely the case for my cousin in AZ. As soon as her favorite restaurant and her community in Flagstaff said she no longer needed a mask if she got the vaccine she did. She was not going to get it and no facts were going to sway her but you tell her she doesn't need to wear a mask and BOOM appointment made and vaccine done.

 

[AvidDisReader]

So clearly you don’t understand a lot of this.

First, you can’t just change the threshold for what constitutes herd immunity. We may never get there, which is a different story, but it’s not an arbitrary number.

Second, two justices giving an opinion outside of a ruling doesn’t make anything illegal. Also, civil liberties doesn’t automatically mean masks.

Lastly, you used the word objectionable. While I did say it was a dramatic word (and I still think it is), I actually asked what about a mask you find objectionable. And yet you can’t answer it?

I understand a whole lot better than you do. First, Herd immunity does not have a definite definition. You can have a scientific definition and a legal definition. My post was implying that the Legal definition could be changed - and just like the Covid mandates made by politicians who ignore the science.
What do I find objectionable about a mask, having a piece of cloth/paper over my face and breathing into it--did not know that it was not self evident that I had to explain it.
Yes, the mask mandate violates our civil liberties. There is no longer a medical reason for them since SCIENCE has proven if you are vaccinated you do not spread the disease and do not get it. So mandating them should at the very least take a legislative body passing a law with the executive branch signing into law. NO legislative body has passed such a law--if they did it would be immediately challenged in courts as violating civil liberties and struck down.

 

[AvidDisReader]

What really bothers me is how people are so willing to throw away our basic rights-The Declaration of Independence stated we have a right to "the pursuit of happiness" and we hold these to be self-evident. My pursuit of happiness is not wearing a mask, period and if this is going to change than the least we US Citizens should expect is the the Congress of the United State pass a law and the President sign it. Anything less is a violation of my rights as a US Citizen. This country has survived a Civil War, WWI, the Spanish Flu Pandemic, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, and 2 Gulf Wars without violating anyones civil rights. Yet we have this new pandemic that there is now a Vaccine for and it like let us forget the 250 years of liberties that this country stands for.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I understand a whole lot better than you do. First, Herd immunity does not have a definite definition. You can have a scientific definition and a legal definition. My post was implying that the Legal definition could be changed - and just like the Covid mandates made by politicians who ignore the science.
What do I find objectionable about a mask, having a piece of cloth/paper over my face and breathing into it--did not know that it was not self evident that I had to explain it.
Yes, the mask mandate violates our civil liberties. There is no longer a medical reason for them since SCIENCE has proven if you are vaccinated you do not spread the disease and do not get it. So mandating them should at the very least take a legislative body passing a law with the executive branch signing into law. NO legislative body has passed such a law--if they did it would be immediately challenged in courts as violating civil liberties and struck down.

Since you continue to not understand, I’ll try once more and then I’m done discussing it with you.

There is no legal definition to herd immunity. I can’t even begin to think where you thought there would be. There is only a scientific definition to herd immunity. Again, we may not make it to herd immunity, but it is NOT a definition that can be changed.

And again,YES you can still transmit & catch the virus if you are vaccinated. Why do you keep saying you can’t? The risk is minimal compared to not to being vaccinated, but it is still there. The SCIENCE has said that repeatedly.

Businesses, schools, etc requiring masks is not a violation of your civil liberties. You may not like them, but they don’t harm you. You being uncomfortable doesn’t outweigh public health. Also, nobody is suggesting a national mandate, so I’m not sure what shark you jumped there.

Bottom line, keep distance, continue to wear your mask & wash your hands until we can get more vaccinated and make it safer for everybody. It’s really not that hard.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

What really bothers me is how people are so willing to throw away our basic rights-The Declaration of Independence stated we have a right to "the pursuit of happiness" and we hold these to be self-evident. My pursuit of happiness is not wearing a mask, period and if this is going to change than the least we US Citizens should expect is the the Congress of the United State pass a law and the President sign it. Anything less is a violation of my rights as a US Citizen. This country has survived a Civil War, WWI, the Spanish Flu Pandemic, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, and 2 Gulf Wars without violating anyones civil rights. Yet we have this new pandemic that there is now a Vaccine for and it like let us forget the 250 years of liberties that this country stands for.

Please, please understand the Constitution Declaration of Independence before quoting it. (Updated to correct document name. Point remains the same).

Also, spoiler alert: they wore masks during the Spanish Flu

I really can’t believe you’re comparing having to wear a CLOTH mask to those brave men & women who went to war for this county. SMH

 

[JLTraveling]

What really bothers me is how people are so willing to throw away our basic rights-The Declaration of Independence stated we have a right to "the pursuit of happiness" and we hold these to be self-evident. My pursuit of happiness is not wearing a mask, period and if this is going to change than the least we US Citizens should expect is the the Congress of the United State pass a law and the President sign it. Anything less is a violation of my rights as a US Citizen. This country has survived a Civil War, WWI, the Spanish Flu Pandemic, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, and 2 Gulf Wars without violating anyones civil rights. Yet we have this new pandemic that there is now a Vaccine for and it like let us forget the 250 years of liberties that this country stands for.

What are you going on about? We had mask mandates during the 1918 flu epidemic. Throughout our history, the courts have held that public health emergencies are sufficient reason for both mask mandates and quarantines. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

One of the main hospital systems in my area opened up recently a long-hauler clinic.

One thing they are starting to see is several patients who report after receiving their vaccinations some of their lingering covid symptoms are waned or gone. It's extremely new so they haven't actually studied it, just taking what some of their patients are saying and something they had not encountered so far. This is something other people in other states have similar such stories (one who got taste/smell back, another one was daily migraines, shortness of breath, brain fog and crippling fatigue.)

"I think we’ve had a few different situations where our providers would say, 'Look, I’ve had three or four patients come in now and say they’re better after having had the vaccine," "Their symptoms of brain fog or fatigue have resolved or has significantly decreased after the vaccine." "While not all patients recover after receiving the vaccine, it provides new hope to those who are suffering and to the doctors who treat them."

These long-haul clinics def. should keep up to date with this observation and tracking of time. Some seem to report only 1 dose did it for them while others the 1st dose eased but didn't remove and it was the 2nd dose that did it for them. In a roundabout way IF this observation continues to crop up you almost could see the vaccine for some people as a treatment option in itself but that is merely my hope

 

[AvidDisReader]

Please, please understand the Constitution before quoting it.

Also, spoiler alert: they wore masks during the Spanish Flu

I really can’t believe you’re comparing having to wear a CLOTH mask to those brave men & women who went to war for this county. SMH

The quote is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Can we argue elsewhere about the Constitution/civil liberties stuff? Because normally a thread of that kind gets locked really quickly.

 

[AvidDisReader]

What are you going on about? We had mask mandates during the 1918 flu epidemic. Throughout our history, the courts have held that public health emergencies are sufficient reason for both mask mandates and quarantines. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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[JLTraveling]

One of the main hospital systems in my area opened up recently a long-hauler clinic.

One thing they are starting to see is several patients who report after receiving their vaccinations some of their lingering covid symptoms are waned or gone. It's extremely new so they haven't actually studied it, just taking what some of their patients are saying and something they had not encountered so far. This is something other people in other states have similar such stories (one who got taste/smell back, another one was daily migraines, shortness of breath, brain fog and crippling fatigue.)

"I think we’ve had a few different situations where our providers would say, 'Look, I’ve had three or four patients come in now and say they’re better after having had the vaccine," "Their symptoms of brain fog or fatigue have resolved or has significantly decreased after the vaccine." "While not all patients recover after receiving the vaccine, it provides new hope to those who are suffering and to the doctors who treat them."

These long-haul clinics def. should keep up to date with this observation and tracking of time. Some seem to report only 1 dose did it for them while others the 1st dose eased but didn't remove and it was the 2nd dose that did it for them. In a roundabout way IF this observation continues to crop up you almost could see the vaccine for some people as a treatment option in itself but that is merely my hope

I've also heard purely anecdotal reports of people with everything from lupus to endometriosis reporting improvement following their first or second dose. And pure speculation that it may be the mRNA itself sort of resetting the immune system. Obviously that's something that would need to be studied, but if true, it could a) make the vaccine a treatment option for all sorts of things and b) potentially revolutionize medicine on a larger scale. Exciting stuff!

 

[AvidDisReader]

Since you continue to not understand, I’ll try once more and then I’m done discussing it with you.

There is no legal definition to herd immunity. I can’t even begin to think where you thought there would be. There is only a scientific definition to herd immunity. Again, we may not make it to herd immunity, but it is NOT a definition that can be changed.

And again,YES you can still transmit & catch the virus if you are vaccinated. Why do you keep saying you can’t? The risk is minimal compared to not to being vaccinated, but it is still there. The SCIENCE has said that repeatedly.

Businesses, schools, etc requiring masks is not a violation of your civil liberties. You may not like them, but they don’t harm you. You being uncomfortable doesn’t outweigh public health. Also, nobody is suggesting a national mandate, so I’m not sure what shark you jumped there.

Bottom line, keep distance, continue to wear your mask & wash your hands until we can get more vaccinated and make it safer for everybody. It’s really not that hard.

The chance of spreading the disease to so low as to not be a reason to mandate a mask. Our wonderful politicians can and have defined what some definition of an issue is, so yes the Congress can pass a law stating the herd immunity is reached at say 60% where the science says you need 70%. The Health issue was why most people have obeyed for last year. Again, we are at some 32% of adult population that is fully vaccinated with half the adult population now with at least one dose. Businesses choose to follow the government mandates rather than face the rath of elected politicians.

 

[Pyotr]

We are thinking about actually going to eat inside in our favorite restaurant for lunch today. Brave new world.

Unfortunately I procrastinated this morning and ended up with a “hunny-do” list from the wife, so I won’t be making it to Disney after all.

Maybe I’ll go out to lunch instead.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Can we argue elsewhere about the Constitution/civil liberties stuff? Because normally a thread of that kind gets locked really quickly.

No worries, I’m done with any further discussion with that poster about it.